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seabeyond

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89. facts. this discussion has been going on for 3 weeks on du. the dynamic of ones lives with the

Thu May 28, 2015, 10:47 AM

May 2015

message being said, by the populists... and sanders campaign.

we have had a LOT of conversation. lots. lots and lots. you know. hte conversation you and so many sander people do not want to have.

well. 3 weeks, it is further than du. that is the whole fuckin in your face point.

you and others have accused me of some amazing shit, ... as i feel i was the one TRUE supporter of sander. looking at the "not so pretty" he would have to address to become INCLUSIVE. getting those black, women, gay votes.

is any of this sinking in?

YOU did not want to hear it. YOU and others demanded i not talk about it.

came to roost. we are just starting. we have a fuckin choice.

deal and address. not a biggie since snaders is right there on social issues. i am sure. hence, me supporting him

i meaN... you still gonn refuse to look? cause that is not supporting your candidate, in my opinion.

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What does it say that mild criticism of Bernie is met with great vengeance and furious anger? [View all] DanTex May 2015 OP

Bernie Sanders very well CAN beat the GOP. pangaia May 2015 #1

+1, no make that 10, n/t ejbr May 2015 #61

and so can every other candidate, however, whoever our nominee is, it is far from a slam dunk still_one May 2015 #87

But can he beat Hillary? hack89 May 2015 #134

Well, there are different kinds of intelligences. pangaia May 2015 #245

The best is shaped by experience and practical thinking hack89 May 2015 #246

Who said anything about emotion and wishful thinking? Not I. pangaia May 2015 #247

Of course not. Nt hack89 May 2015 #251

The Smart Money can bugger off. Oakenshield May 2015 #253

Not in an election. Maybe at bowling. nt stevenleser May 2015 #198

So if he's the Democratic nominee you won't vote for him? BeanMusical May 2015 #240

I've answered that question many times. I won't again in response to your straw man. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #243

It was a rhetorical question. BeanMusical May 2015 #255

No, it was a straw man. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #259

Lol! BeanMusical May 2015 #260

I don't see any path to victory for Sanders in a national general election. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #210

No he can not , independents will not vote for him. Florencenj2point0 May 2015 #244

Who will Independants vote for? frylock May 2015 #248

I find it a fascinating exercise that I am told by Partisans who nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #262

I don't see vehemence and anger. morningfog May 2015 #2

Silly indeed - just primary season getting started. polichick May 2015 #26

Of course you don't. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #73

+10^10^100 nt stevenleser May 2015 #199

I dismiss your silly comment out of hand and without bitterness. morningfog May 2015 #209

Don't care Bobbie Jo May 2015 #214

End ? ... what end? Trajan May 2015 #231

huh? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #241

It's exactly the same as 2008. MoonRiver May 2015 #3

Seems that some posters support for Obama in 2008 was based in Hillary hate. boston bean May 2015 #8

Yes, and oh the irony. Now Obama is practically the anti-Christ in their minds. MoonRiver May 2015 #12

I mean why would anyone trust their opinion again? boston bean May 2015 #13

Exactly. It's hardly worth responding to. MoonRiver May 2015 #18

The thoughts you are drawing on here are an important metric. NCTraveler May 2015 #20

IKR? workinclasszero May 2015 #82

I laugh every time I see one poster who absolutely hated Hillary and called her morally depraved Autumn May 2015 #86

who? seabeyond May 2015 #93

I won't mention the name but I can send you a link to that post if you want it. Autumn May 2015 #107

i supported obama. i also had to call out misogyny toward clinton. so i hear ya. i stayed seabeyond May 2015 #112

I sent you some links. We hear the same things today being used all over again Autumn May 2015 #159

What'cha trying to say there? QC May 2015 #235

I remember it quit differently brush May 2015 #141

pumas? i thought that was drama from the obama supporters. i was squarely in obamas camp. seabeyond May 2015 #142

Re-read my post brush May 2015 #151

yet, obama people used to attack clinton. those that still hate clinton are now using it as attack seabeyond May 2015 #153

Again, I don't remember it that way brush May 2015 #160

no way. i was edwards, as were many then obama. never clinton. i didnt want another clinton. seabeyond May 2015 #161

Okay, that's you brush May 2015 #165

ha. i was far from the only, which is the point. ya. that you will not even acknowledge that, from seabeyond May 2015 #167

It's serious to me. I'm just giving you my opinion . . . brush May 2015 #174

you ignore a lot that happened in 2008. so ya. i do not take you seriously. i am allowed. seabeyond May 2015 #175

There was A LOT of misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton in 2008 by Jamastiene May 2015 #224

That ridiculousness didn't exist in my circles brush May 2015 #242

I agree. Jamastiene May 2015 #261

There was a lot of nastiness from that faction. Skidmore May 2015 #192

i was obama and really hated the whole puma thing, all the way around. i ignored it. nt seabeyond May 2015 #193

I'd say that's a fair assessment DFW May 2015 #64

That is just beautiful. MoonRiver May 2015 #72

Yeah, good luck with that. DFW May 2015 #188

Bernie Sanders is NO Barack Obama, not even close. MoonRiver May 2015 #220

It would be nice.. sendero May 2015 #154

To me that term means about as much as when the whacko right calls me a "libbrul." DFW May 2015 #187

I think "corporatist" has a definite image Art_from_Ark May 2015 #225

I wouldn't call what is being lobbed at him 'mild criticism'. JaneyVee May 2015 #4

Yep it's unreasonable for anybody to support someone who isn't married to corporate and wall-street el_bryanto May 2015 #5

why would "the corporations" and "Wall Street" treestar May 2015 #29

You really asked that question? el_bryanto May 2015 #31

How often do they tank it? treestar May 2015 #91

After the great depression we put in regulation that worked really well for a long time el_bryanto May 2015 #103

obama implemented a weak version. now with repugs, has been lessened. this is where our govt seabeyond May 2015 #110

Still all those people thought they were going to create a booming economy treestar May 2015 #120

Corporations don't think tennstar May 2015 #127

Indeed. One only needs to pay the mildest of attention to our natural world. raouldukelives May 2015 #155

You said it better tennstar May 2015 #196

It's not so much that any one person "wants to" but rather ideology drives them that way Fumesucker May 2015 #32

Because they are chasing personal incentives. jeff47 May 2015 #39

Still there's a point where their fortune would disappear too treestar May 2015 #95

Not really. They would still be the "haves" in a dystopia. jeff47 May 2015 #111

They deliberately tanked the economy in 2007? treestar May 2015 #116

Yes, because they were extracting money. jeff47 May 2015 #131

"They believe their fortresses are impregnable" because they are privatizing the military. ieoeja May 2015 #162

Not really. They don't pay their private guards enough. jeff47 May 2015 #168

You know- like Bill Clinton sank the economy redstateblues May 2015 #52

Well if it is a center right country treestar May 2015 #99

a few scattered sentences without specifics Javaman May 2015 #6

It says pretty much what Skinner said it was. n/t leftofcool May 2015 #7

You keep saying that in different threads. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #125

No, my brother died of AIDS about 8 years ago. leftofcool May 2015 #201

Or, you could just post the thing instead of obliquely referring to it in several places. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #212

Here ya go, it was easy to find. leftofcool May 2015 #222

I didn't even try to find it. Thanks for posting. Now I'll read it. nt DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #223

OK, I've read Skinner's reply now. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #227

your op lacks intellectual honesty on more than one front cali May 2015 #9

Interestingly, the fact that you accuse people of implying that Sanders is "racist" is part of what DanTex May 2015 #23

cali consistently changes peoples words to create her own argument. watch. i am a sander supporter seabeyond May 2015 #34

You backing the corporate candidate, while charging Bernie has not done onecaliberal May 2015 #79

but see. you made up an argument so you could laugh. meh.... seabeyond May 2015 #115

And Hillary's campaign launch treestar May 2015 #122

I didn't criticize her video. In fact, I complimented it. I liked it. onecaliberal May 2015 #183

No one insinuated he is a racist- this is exactly why POC suggest LISTENING as step one in bettyellen May 2015 #177

Lol remember the last primary? GusBob May 2015 #10

But only after he does his infamous scream first. Jamastiene May 2015 #263

What utter, unmitigated horseshit, completely unsupported by any specifics. Bernie was an KingCharlemagne May 2015 #11

You are a perfect example of what Skinner talked about yesterday. leftofcool May 2015 #15

Alert on me. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #16

What did he say? n/t MoonRiver May 2015 #19

He was talking about.... Adrahil May 2015 #38

Spot on Skinner, as usual! MoonRiver May 2015 #51

When Democrats support warmed over moderate Republican policy and idealogy they should be criticized LondonReign2 May 2015 #156

when posters change our dems to repugs, it is time for dems to say,... no. you do not get to do that seabeyond May 2015 #163

In an answer to a question in Ask the Administrators... Spazito May 2015 #58

Well said, indeed. Also, how very sad. MoonRiver May 2015 #69

I would imagine that being a "democrat" kinda means you're gonna argue passionately for the issues CTyankee May 2015 #75

Nothing wrong with arguing about issues... Adrahil May 2015 #84

i want more from both obama and clinton, too. i want to hear more. i am disappointed more isnt seabeyond May 2015 #98

Your position just ins't realistic in our political system. Adrahil May 2015 #158

people use "lesser of two evils". i agree. that is bullshit. i disagree and call that shit out. nt seabeyond May 2015 #164

I agree. When it dissolves into name calling and hurling insults against people, it's time to go CTyankee May 2015 #102

people are refusing the argument. OP's asking, what can we do. then a whole list of supporters seabeyond May 2015 #119

No, being a Democrat is a lot more than being able/willing to slug it out with other Democrats. MoonRiver May 2015 #114

My point is (and I'm sorry you missed it) that we are diverse in the way we think and we value the CTyankee May 2015 #129

You said I should think about belonging to a different party MoonRiver May 2015 #136

I thought progressive democrats could both value dissenting views and remain true to our own values. CTyankee May 2015 #140

You said I should change parties. Just what party were you suggesting I should change to? MoonRiver May 2015 #152

My humble opinion tennstar May 2015 #148

Senator Sanders is running under the Democratic party banner... Spazito May 2015 #180

Been a dem forever tennstar May 2015 #194

Yet you state the following... Spazito May 2015 #197

Well yes and no tennstar May 2015 #229

I think DU has done a great job standing against republicans and republican ideals. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #171

It's obvious Skinner is more than a little unhappy at this turn of events. stevenleser May 2015 #204

Given DU was started when bush was selected by the Supreme Court... Spazito May 2015 #208

Bullshit! TM99 May 2015 #14

Yes. cwydro May 2015 #30

+1 deutsey May 2015 #189

"Bernie good, Hillary and Republicans evil." NCTraveler May 2015 #17

This is all getting very confusing. OilemFirchen May 2015 #27

Oh, good grief. Hissyspit May 2015 #21

I think he can win gollygee May 2015 #22

It says that people still respond to roaminronin May 2015 #24

It would be nice if they would reflect their candidate's character and integrity BainsBane May 2015 #50

The enraged sputtering is quite amusing. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #25

I feel the same way... Adrahil May 2015 #40

It's why I'm not a Christian. MohRokTah May 2015 #211

The fact you lumped Hillary in with Republicans should answer your own question. Exilednight May 2015 #28

nah, it just says it's primary season here at DU fishwax May 2015 #33

Hillary cannot win. Too much baggage. Too polarizing. Lacks the charisma of Bill & Barack. peacebird May 2015 #35

+1 truebluegreen May 2015 #113

+2 donf May 2015 #150

"Sanders is a racist" is not mild criticism. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #36

No, but of course, nobody actually said that. DanTex May 2015 #37

Heavily implied it. jeff47 May 2015 #43

Not even close. They just said he didn't address race enough. DanTex May 2015 #46

wrong. you do not get to make up false accusations. no one said that. cause YOU interpret it seabeyond May 2015 #48

Or more heavily inferred it... LanternWaste May 2015 #186

ya. nobody said that. nt seabeyond May 2015 #41

Nobody said Clinton personally ordered Benghazi either. jeff47 May 2015 #45

i am glad you acknowledge that your statement "sanders is a racist" is bullshit. self delete the bs seabeyond May 2015 #49

No, my point is the desired message is sent without the explicit statement. jeff47 May 2015 #55

YOU are making shit up. YOU are creating an argument that is NOT. YOU proudly are standing on a lie. seabeyond May 2015 #56

And what do you think is implied by "There weren't a lot of blacks in the audience"? jeff47 May 2015 #59

people are flat out stating, ... his DEMOGRAPHICS are middle/upper middle, white, men. what he is seabeyond May 2015 #62

The thread in question based those demographics on the color of the skin in the crowd. jeff47 May 2015 #66

facts. this discussion has been going on for 3 weeks on du. the dynamic of ones lives with the seabeyond May 2015 #89

And more damage control jeff47 May 2015 #108

we, and that includes you, have been having this conversation a good 3 weeks. if that alone, has to seabeyond May 2015 #123

Again, you are trying to have a different conversation. I'm talking about posts yesterday jeff47 May 2015 #133

yes. people noticed the demographics in the crowd yesterday. we have talked about it for 3 weeks. seabeyond May 2015 #137

Wow, you talked about an event yesterday for 3 weeks? Can I borrow your time machine? jeff47 May 2015 #166

whatever jeff. a glance, 'hillary spewing vile'. not reading all that has nothing to do with my post seabeyond May 2015 #169

I hope you enjoy discussing petunias on any subject you give a shit about. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #170

again, wtf ever seabeyond May 2015 #173

oh. btw, htis is what i was talking about 3 weeks ago. people, and minorities noticed sanders seabeyond May 2015 #138

Who said that? BainsBane May 2015 #78

Link please. MohRokTah May 2015 #121

Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast May 2015 #42

It says that people actively oppose civic engagement BainsBane May 2015 #44

That you project a lot more emotion onto people than exists? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #47

That they are Pulp Fiction fans? nt Bonobo May 2015 #53

To me it simply points out... DeadLetterOffice May 2015 #54

It says we've got a little contest going BeyondGeography May 2015 #57

Clearly you don't have Sanders in your heart Recursion May 2015 #60

Bernie fans carrying water for the right wing workinclasszero May 2015 #63

Hillary fans carrying water for the same big money that took our country into a recession. L0oniX May 2015 #70

Really? workinclasszero May 2015 #76

Reading comprehension skill lacking? L0oniX May 2015 #92

I am a fan of Bernie's and I don't hate Hillary. I voted for her in our CT primary back in 08. CTyankee May 2015 #135

Hyperbole at its best. LWolf May 2015 #65

Black people saying Sanders didn't address race enough is playing the race card? leftofcool May 2015 #71

Not all black people! TM99 May 2015 #80

That's certainly not what I said, but please... LWolf May 2015 #96

Mission Accomplished RufusTFirefly May 2015 #67

^^^^^^^^ This is the correct answer ^^^^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #217

Talented marketers are paid good money to develop and disseminate these memes. Zorra May 2015 #257

"Bernie doesn't do so well in rational, nuanced world, which is to say, the real world" L0oniX May 2015 #68

Meh. I don't even criticize Bernie, and his screamers do their best to drive everyone away ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #74

You guys keep throwing out these unsubstantiated memes AgingAmerican May 2015 #77

Well, "he can't win" is the biggest beef I have with Bernie. DanTex May 2015 #81

Cuz you say so AgingAmerican May 2015 #90

By every possible measure of electability. Polls, fundraising, campaign infrastructure, DanTex May 2015 #94

The first primary is 9 months out AgingAmerican May 2015 #106

Well, I guess we disagree. But winning the White House is important to me, and I don't think DanTex May 2015 #109

Cuz you say so. AgingAmerican May 2015 #118

You are right workinclasszero May 2015 #117

It's not "mild criticism." It's swiftboating. And the "great CharlotteVale May 2015 #83

addressing demographics, hence where he'll get votes, is swiftboating? i thought that was politics? seabeyond May 2015 #130

People are just buckling their seat belts for the predictable onslaught, financed by raindaddy May 2015 #85

Now I'm really pissed! workinclasszero May 2015 #237

I wonder what the jury vote was on your post. MohRokTah May 2015 #88

Me too. Anyone have the jury? Please post. DanTex May 2015 #100

At least it was nice to see a jury voted 7-0 to hide the post that called you a troll. MohRokTah May 2015 #124

"Vengeance"??? Whatever. I'll stick to my dictionary definitions. WinkyDink May 2015 #97

It's from Pulp Fiction. DanTex May 2015 #101

"Bernie good, Hillary and Republicans evil." Thanks for that, DanTex. Short and sweet. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #104

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #105

Some of these folks are absolutely vicious. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #126

Two legs BETTER. n/t Orsino May 2015 #128

what does it say that any alternative to Hillary is met with hyperbolic pearl clutching & lies? TheSarcastinator May 2015 #132

mild criticism, like inferring that he's a gun nut? frylock May 2015 #139

Which he is by voting against the Brady Bill workinclasszero May 2015 #238

yeah.. frylock May 2015 #239

I refuse to post HRC ops in GD because i do not want to go a 1000 rounds. hrmjustin May 2015 #143

Open your eyes, DanTex senz May 2015 #144

It says that karma happens, even if you support Hillary Android3.14 May 2015 #145

Criticism or lies and innuendo? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #146

And therein is the problem. I get angry at the lies. jwirr May 2015 #149

Nice try but no cigar. Phlem May 2015 #147

Funny, I haven't seen that. davidthegnome May 2015 #157

So much this. Oakenshield May 2015 #254

It has been said... tonedevil May 2015 #172

Uhm kenfrequed May 2015 #176

You had me right up until this JustAnotherGen May 2015 #178

i totally agree it is too early to write sanders off. i replied to those, early on. i ignore that seabeyond May 2015 #179

I also don't like the implication JustAnotherGen May 2015 #182

links please? I'd like to see how a single poster magical thyme May 2015 #181

Congratulations on your use of the GOP tactic of projection tularetom May 2015 #184

SUBTEXT: Sanders supporters are irrational, and they live in a fantasy world.. frylock May 2015 #249

Mild criticism of both candidates is met with great vengeance LanternWaste May 2015 #185

. deutsey May 2015 #190

It means that Samuel L. Jackson is a Bernie supporter? nt Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #191

Either Samuel Jackson, or monks working for King James II (of King James Bible fame) DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #233

+1 Quayblue May 2015 #195

You few that love making thread after thread playing 'politics' are amusing I will admit. Rex May 2015 #200

Well, I skipped the whole thread, except for the OP...and I don't think calling him a racist is a libdem4life May 2015 #202

I agree with you, but since nobody called him racist, that's a bit of a strange non-sequitor. DanTex May 2015 #203

Where have you been? It's all over DU...he didn't speak about black people so he's lost his creds libdem4life May 2015 #207

What's there to criticize about Bernie Sanders? JDPriestly May 2015 #205

Please define "mild criticism". Avalux May 2015 #206

His most devoted supporters here LordGlenconner May 2015 #213

Calling him a racist is "mild criticism"? KamaAina May 2015 #215

Of course not. But nobody did that. DanTex May 2015 #216

This is a very sensible post ibegurpard May 2015 #218

And it also seems very serious. ibegurpard May 2015 #219

Very Serious People have Very Serious concerns frylock May 2015 #250

Uhm, Republicans ARE evil. Jamastiene May 2015 #221

Really, what's to criticize? Outside of nitpicking.... TheNutcracker May 2015 #226

Says to me that maybe his fans are as terrified that he'll lose as they keep saying Hillary Number23 May 2015 #228

Maybe it means you watch too many Tarantino movies ... Trajan May 2015 #230

You can criticize Bernie all you want...that's fine...but you're not entitled to special deference. Ken Burch May 2015 #232

When did I ask for special deference? DanTex May 2015 #234

Oh, please...Try mildly criticizing Greenwald, Snowden or Hersh on this forum Blue_Tires May 2015 #236

You two have a very strange interpretation of "mild criticism" frylock May 2015 #252

To be fair... Blue_Tires May 2015 #256

It's the manufactured outrage AgingAmerican May 2015 #258

Oh, FFS. Is this getting old. nt Logical May 2015 #264

Don't see that at all G_j Feb 2016 #265