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jeff47

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19. If there are different ways, why are you claiming there is only one way?
Thu May 28, 2015, 11:30 AM
May 2015

And that way is to appeal to the nation as a whole?

the reference to SC was not as a purple state. It was because SC got coverage on CNN

It's 9 months until the first primary. A black guy with a funny name didn't get much media coverage either this far from the primary. Then he won.

Polling this early from 2008 said Giuliani would just edge out Clinton. That didn't quite turn out to be remotely accurate. And that's true every single election - W polled poorly early. Bill Clinton polled poorly early. Hell, Reagan's poll numbers were awful early in the campaign.

In fact, early polls are wrong more than 90% of the time. Why make decisions based on something you know will be wrong?

Do you really want to debate a definition of "purple" states? I guess that plays into your theory of how to get to 270? I think it's a little early for that math projection.

Not really. You base it on the actual results of statewide campaigns in the last election, in this case 2014. It gives you a very rough idea of where the state will end up in 2016. You may be off by 10%, but when the margin is >20% that really doesn't matter - you can still declare the state "red" or "blue" because at worst it's a 10% victory instead of a 20% victory.

Here's an analysis from right after 2014. From a Republican. He goes into detail about why he puts certain states in the "red" or "blue" or "white" column.

VA is one of the states with a growing immigrant population, so that's one Democratic candidates need to watch.

It has a much larger, growing DC suburb population. Which is not particularly immigrant-heavy or minority-heavy. But it has shown to be not interested in the status-quo.

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Unfortunately, Vermont's often an outlier -- not very representative of the rest of the U.S. pnwmom May 2015 #1
Thanks for this. RufusTFirefly May 2015 #2
Honestly, with a population less than most Fl or Ca counties and 3 electoral college votes... Sancho May 2015 #3
actually, Vermont does matter cali May 2015 #4
As you point out, Vermont will vote Democratic for almost any candidate... Sancho May 2015 #9
We'll have to see whether Bernie's ideas can gain traction cali May 2015 #16
Vermont didn't completely ban slavery, children were still allowed to be slaves snooper2 May 2015 #24
Yeah, coming from a small state automatically disqualifies someone from winning the Presidency. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #6
No but watch Bernie's entire announcement... Sancho May 2015 #11
God forbid he should kick off awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #21
Who cares if he kicked off in Vermont?? Sancho May 2015 #22
Style over substance? awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #25
CA or NY doesn't matter either. At least in the general election. jeff47 May 2015 #17
We all know there are different ways to get to 270...meanwhile... Sancho May 2015 #18
If there are different ways, why are you claiming there is only one way? jeff47 May 2015 #19
Who is suggesting "one way"? Sancho May 2015 #20
"Size isn't everything" Unknown Beatle May 2015 #5
So Vermont is mostly white? romanic May 2015 #7
The hillarians new claim is that Sanders is a racist because he's from a small Doctor_J May 2015 #8
Wow ... Who has said, or even implied, that? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #12
You think the African American forum needs to go away JI7 May 2015 #23
I'm trying to give the benefit of the doubt here, so bear with me. Maedhros May 2015 #26
Vermont Robbins May 2015 #10
Yep...the US has changed a lot since 1992... Sancho May 2015 #13
How so? [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #27
Demographics in Southern states for one thing... Sancho May 2015 #28
And you think Bernie doesn't appeal to these demographics? Why? Maedhros May 2015 #29
I watched his speech, and it differs dramatically from Hillary, Obama, or even Jeb... Sancho May 2015 #30
You're coming from a very conservative viewpoint. Maedhros May 2015 #31
haha...maybe you see it that way...but I'm about as liberal as you get.a 60's hippy. Union officer! Sancho May 2015 #32
You should know full well that a high-volume trade tax Maedhros May 2015 #33
Not true.. Sancho May 2015 #34
Noting that Vermont does not reflect the democraphics of the most of the US ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #14
there have been posts doing both and everyone is aware of that. cali May 2015 #15
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