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yellowcanine

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89. "The party says he is a party member." Oh, excuse me. “War is peace. Freedom is slavery.

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:30 AM

May 2015

Ignorance is strength.”

Not to mention, “Doublethink means the power of holding two contradictory beliefs in one's mind simultaneously, and accepting both of them.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Silly me. Why didn't you tell me that "THE PARTY" said it? No need for me to have my own opinion, then. Nor Bernie, either I guess...

Even as he launched a campaign for the Democratic presidential nomination Thursday, Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-Vt.) insisted he was not a Democrat. "No, I am an independent who is going to be working with the —" Sanders told Seven Days Thursday afternoon, cutting himself off mid-sentence. "I am what I am, and I will have to deal with the state-by-state regulations. But I am what I am."

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Bernie isn't even a Democrat [View all] Liberal_in_LA May 2015 OP

Lifelong Dems campaigned for Goldwater? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1

Boom! PowerToThePeople May 2015 #31

^That^ onecaliberal May 2015 #34

Seriously you are going to quibble about her activities as a 17 year old? yellowcanine May 2015 #37

Life begins at 18 years out of the womb? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #40

Now you are just being silly. And still not addressing the issue. yellowcanine May 2015 #54

What about Bernie would make HIM 'not a Democrat' compared to say, someone like Joe Lieberman sabrina 1 May 2015 #158

Hey, looky at this PowerToThePeople May 2015 #59

What's your point, that the question can't be asked just because of the website? yellowcanine May 2015 #65

My point is PowerToThePeople May 2015 #72

"The party says he is a party member." Oh, excuse me. “War is peace. Freedom is slavery. yellowcanine May 2015 #89

Bernie has a better record supporting the party platform than many Dems Mnpaul May 2015 #129

Oh hellz no you must be holy your entire life workinclasszero May 2015 #95

No, we're always ready to take new converts.... daleanime May 2015 #151

Well, she wasn't a voter then--she was fifteen. And back then, you had to be 21 to vote. MADem May 2015 #57

Thread win. L0oniX May 2015 #61

And right off the bat too! daleanime May 2015 #152

She was a teenager whose father was a Republican. pnwmom May 2015 #137

As someone else pointed out, she was still the leader of some young republicans group Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #142

She still wasn't old enough to vote. pnwmom May 2015 #149

Was the voting age much higher back then? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #150

It used to be 21. It was lowered to 18 as a result of the Vietnam war. pnwmom May 2015 #156

In 1964 Hillary was 16/17 and in high school. Bernie's choice was to live in a Thinkingabout May 2015 #155

By george that's right el_bryanto May 2015 #2

How did a center-right Democrat consistently receive a > 90% ADA score every year she was in the Sen DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30

Because American politics in general are Center Right el_bryanto May 2015 #35

I tend to agree with you... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #41

Exactly - if you want a center right leader who will ignore the fundamental economic problems el_bryanto May 2015 #48

I support your right to have a choice, of course. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #58

I read posts like yours and wonder why people like you even bother being Democrats. Scootaloo May 2015 #127

"What do we want?" Art_from_Ark May 2015 #136

"Nudging the leviathan," huh? Scootaloo May 2015 #139

A minor quibble: truebluegreen May 2015 #52

Our candidates are picked for us. -none May 2015 #70

Yes, they are. truebluegreen May 2015 #100

This: "I'd say we are center left, but our politicians are not." CrispyQ May 2015 #92

I've had similar results whenever I've sent anyone to politicalcompass.org: truebluegreen May 2015 #99

Stunning expose! deutsey May 2015 #3

+1000 marym625 May 2015 #8

Lifelong Dem? Not so much... truebrit71 May 2015 #4

Sorry to burst your bubble, she was 17 and not old enough to vote. leftofcool May 2015 #7

Hilary DIRECTLY QUOTED... truebrit71 May 2015 #11

Sound like something a 17 tear old girl would say. leftofcool May 2015 #13

Goldwater advocated using nuclear weapons against the Vietnamese in the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #27

How old was Warren when she stopped voting Republican? Sheepshank May 2015 #51

No clue. We're talking about Bernie and Hillary in this thread... truebrit71 May 2015 #55

You are making a point that at 17 HRC picked a Political side and is therefore always with that side Sheepshank May 2015 #62

The obvious? You mean Hillary's direct quote about her political affiliations? truebrit71 May 2015 #67

the point is that the op claimed Clinton was a lifelong Democrat.. frylock May 2015 #112

She has always voted Dem Sheepshank May 2015 #113

How about Sanders' voting record? frylock May 2015 #116

what is Sanders record? Sheepshank May 2015 #121

"That thinking is pure bunk." frylock May 2015 #122

Younger than Ronald Reagan when he switched to being a Republican! cascadiance May 2015 #88

exactly!!! Sheepshank May 2015 #91

46. She says she "started voting for Democrats in 1995." She was born in 1949. yellowcanine May 2015 #97

She also said she was a registered Republican for four years Mnpaul May 2015 #128

She was still a registered Repuke in 1996. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I. Was it Bush that tipped her over? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #105

I noticed that the Goldwater stupidity returned to DU DURHAM D May 2015 #18

Yup, nothing like having the candidates actual words being used in a discussion... truebrit71 May 2015 #22

Email blast went out alright..que the attack pac talking points & links misterhighwasted May 2015 #32

ok but she has been demonstrated for decades. Bernie is indep Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #75

And the argument is that Bernie has been a better 'Democrat', advocating for Democratic positions... truebrit71 May 2015 #76

Hillary is not a lifelong Dem. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

But, but, he is "running as a Democrat" leftofcool May 2015 #6

good question. Maybe it has to do with the Demand critic party on a national level, because still_one May 2015 #17

Would you please tell the gentleman above that every vote she cast was presumably for a Democrat? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

Itchy and Scratchy! FSogol May 2015 #9

Why would he even want to run as a Dem? I don't get why he misterhighwasted May 2015 #10

He clearly said he will not be a spoiler, and running as a third party he would be still_one May 2015 #23

And yet there still persists this confusion amongst the Hillary faithful... truebrit71 May 2015 #33

No one is inevitable still_one May 2015 #47

eeeewwww nnnnasty misterhighwasted May 2015 #146

The Democratic Socialists USA isn't a political party deutsey May 2015 #36

To get his name on the ballot in 50 states Mnpaul May 2015 #130

And he somehow manages to be LWolf May 2015 #12

No shit. truebrit71 May 2015 #16

Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t arcane1 May 2015 #104

I would call him an UNDERGROUND DEMOCRAT! immoderate May 2015 #126

WINNER. LWolf May 2015 #143

and some Democrats are DINOs. hobbit709 May 2015 #14

My only concern is will he do party building for more moderate members of the party. hrmjustin May 2015 #15

He has already said he will not run as a spoiler in the general election. truebrit71 May 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2015 #21

I hope so. hrmjustin May 2015 #28

You know what nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #50

Oh i am. hrmjustin May 2015 #53

1.- your candidate (I am independent) nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63

Well i will grant you if Hillary doesn't get the nomination there will be some pissed off fans. hrmjustin May 2015 #66

Like people were pissed nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #69

It will be a long season. hrmjustin May 2015 #71

Nah it is silly season nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #73

That support is a two way street Mnpaul May 2015 #133

Yes i agree. hrmjustin May 2015 #135

Do you think actual voters in a Presidential election would not vote for a Democratic candidate... Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #20

Crazy talk, 6 1/2 minute abs verses 7 minute abs still_one May 2015 #25

Hmm. Last I looked, one had to get the nomination first. If that is crazy, so be it. yellowcanine May 2015 #79

Now now, I didn't call you crazy... Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #84

Hillary is not a lifelong Dem. She used to be a Republican. City Lights May 2015 #24

She supported Republicans when she was too young to vote. As a voting adult, pnwmom May 2015 #138

"This PSA was brought to you by the DNC" B2G May 2015 #26

"Bernie isn't even a Democrat" Liberal_Dog May 2015 #29

Yup. Same reason they use that "goldwater girl". misterhighwasted May 2015 #39

That melodious refrain shall soon fill the halls of DU again. Autumn May 2015 #38

Hey, 'someone had to say it'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #42

No, you didn't have to say it. Not before checking facts. n/t Orsino May 2015 #43

OK, so he's not an official party member DFW May 2015 #44

Bernie is what the UglyGreed May 2015 #45

^^^This^^^ -none May 2015 #86

The New Democrats Mnpaul May 2015 #131

Very late to that talking point/ horse beaten to a pulp nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #46

Yes late to that talking point but I disagree that it is a dead horse. yellowcanine May 2015 #60

You mean like pointing out to the VT nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #68

Actually not the question. But hey, have at it. yellowcanine May 2015 #74

Because his platform looks out for their interests rather than Hillary's platform? truebrit71 May 2015 #78

Okay - here is an answer - because Bernie represents what the Democratic Party SHOULD stand djean111 May 2015 #80

You are free to vote for anybody running in the race nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #83

President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #56

Depends on what a real Democrat is "is". L0oniX May 2015 #64

Hillary is lifelong Dem AlbertCat May 2015 #77

all the pro-Hillary panic is fun to watch TheSarcastinator May 2015 #81

It really is frylock May 2015 #115

This is a totally unproductive post. cyberswede May 2015 #82

Someone had to pick up the slack in VanillaD's absence frylock May 2015 #119

Mags and VR AtomicKitten May 2015 #125

In WA state we had two state Senators who were elected as Dems, then enabled a Repub coup suffragette May 2015 #85

well good. maybe pres Hillary will appoint him to something Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #124

Appoint Bernie as the President of the United States eloydude May 2015 #134

Democrat is a flexible label. And, that's pretty much all it is. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #87

Bernie's positions on every issue are very similar to FDR Z_California May 2015 #90

A lot of Democrats aren't even Democrats, so who cares? CrispyQ May 2015 #93

I miss unrec also Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #123

Exactly workinclasszero May 2015 #94

I love watching the Bernistas redstateblues May 2015 #108

And Michele Bachmann CAMPAIGNED for Jimmy Carter as a Democrat too... cascadiance May 2015 #96

Hillary Was A Goldwater Girl Back In The Day... NOT A Lifelong Dem... WillyT May 2015 #98

Show me some real democrats Angry Dragon May 2015 #101

Agree, and Bernie will be using Dem party raised money to run! lewebley3 May 2015 #102

Bernie is a DIPO. peecoolyour May 2015 #103

I wish the Democratic Party were Bernie in policy. n/t Orsino May 2015 #118

It's a feature, not a bug. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #106

Vermont does not have registration by party KamaAina May 2015 #107

He is, however, a liberal. Jester Messiah May 2015 #109

I guess when none of the other turds are taking purchase upon the wall.. frylock May 2015 #110

I don't much care. It's actions, not words, that matter. Avalux May 2015 #111

he would enter office at age 74 or 75 if elected. that would be the focus of the election Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #140

Is his age a problem for you? Avalux May 2015 #147

Bullshit. Why don't you just go hide somewhere HERVEPA May 2015 #154

oy ...just oy ! olddots May 2015 #114

Hillary is lifelong Dem? Stellar May 2015 #117

. Rex May 2015 #120

life·long ˈ(adjective) lasting or REMAINING in a particular state THROUGHOUT a person's life. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #132

That's one of his best features. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #141

To quote, er...you... LWolf May 2015 #144

Bernie can be anything he wants and I'll still vote for him madokie May 2015 #145

You say that.. sendero May 2015 #148

A bunch of people already said it. Just stupid flame bait and highly unoriginal. HERVEPA May 2015 #153

This is a perfect example of what Skinner was talking about cyberswede May 2015 #157