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CrispyQ

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92. This: "I'd say we are center left, but our politicians are not."

Thu May 28, 2015, 11:34 AM

May 2015

I have given the "Joe Conservative" essay to republicans & asked them which policies they are oppose to in the essay & they've told me they don't oppose them. Things like safe food & drinking water, education, care of our environment, social security, & a host of other liberal policies that take care of citizens, not corporations.

What's the purpose of government if it doesn't take care of it's citizens? I would like to have a government that provides the following, at no cost, for all citizens:

3 hots & a cot
health care
child/elder care
education through college
a digital package so all citizen have internet access
a comprehensive public transportation throughout the country

We could do this, easily, but there is no political will, at the top, to provide for everyone. Corporate entities have more rights than we do. Our government serves them, not us. Corporations should serve the public, not the other way around. Our founding fathers would be spinning in their graves if they knew how much power corporations have amassed again.

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Bernie isn't even a Democrat [View all] Liberal_in_LA May 2015 OP

Lifelong Dems campaigned for Goldwater? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #1

Boom! PowerToThePeople May 2015 #31

^That^ onecaliberal May 2015 #34

Seriously you are going to quibble about her activities as a 17 year old? yellowcanine May 2015 #37

Life begins at 18 years out of the womb? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #40

Now you are just being silly. And still not addressing the issue. yellowcanine May 2015 #54

What about Bernie would make HIM 'not a Democrat' compared to say, someone like Joe Lieberman sabrina 1 May 2015 #158

Hey, looky at this PowerToThePeople May 2015 #59

What's your point, that the question can't be asked just because of the website? yellowcanine May 2015 #65

My point is PowerToThePeople May 2015 #72

"The party says he is a party member." Oh, excuse me. �War is peace. Freedom is slavery. yellowcanine May 2015 #89

Bernie has a better record supporting the party platform than many Dems Mnpaul May 2015 #129

Oh hellz no you must be holy your entire life workinclasszero May 2015 #95

No, we're always ready to take new converts.... daleanime May 2015 #151

Well, she wasn't a voter then--she was fifteen. And back then, you had to be 21 to vote. MADem May 2015 #57

Thread win. L0oniX May 2015 #61

And right off the bat too! daleanime May 2015 #152

She was a teenager whose father was a Republican. pnwmom May 2015 #137

As someone else pointed out, she was still the leader of some young republicans group Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #142

She still wasn't old enough to vote. pnwmom May 2015 #149

Was the voting age much higher back then? Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #150

It used to be 21. It was lowered to 18 as a result of the Vietnam war. pnwmom May 2015 #156

In 1964 Hillary was 16/17 and in high school. Bernie's choice was to live in a Thinkingabout May 2015 #155

By george that's right el_bryanto May 2015 #2

How did a center-right Democrat consistently receive a > 90% ADA score every year she was in the Sen DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #30

Because American politics in general are Center Right el_bryanto May 2015 #35

I tend to agree with you... DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #41

Exactly - if you want a center right leader who will ignore the fundamental economic problems el_bryanto May 2015 #48

I support your right to have a choice, of course. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #58

I read posts like yours and wonder why people like you even bother being Democrats. Scootaloo May 2015 #127

"What do we want?" Art_from_Ark May 2015 #136

"Nudging the leviathan," huh? Scootaloo May 2015 #139

A minor quibble: truebluegreen May 2015 #52

Our candidates are picked for us. -none May 2015 #70

Yes, they are. truebluegreen May 2015 #100

This: "I'd say we are center left, but our politicians are not." CrispyQ May 2015 #92

I've had similar results whenever I've sent anyone to politicalcompass.org: truebluegreen May 2015 #99

Stunning expose! deutsey May 2015 #3

+1000 marym625 May 2015 #8

Lifelong Dem? Not so much... truebrit71 May 2015 #4

Sorry to burst your bubble, she was 17 and not old enough to vote. leftofcool May 2015 #7

Hilary DIRECTLY QUOTED... truebrit71 May 2015 #11

Sound like something a 17 tear old girl would say. leftofcool May 2015 #13

Goldwater advocated using nuclear weapons against the Vietnamese in the KingCharlemagne May 2015 #27

How old was Warren when she stopped voting Republican? Sheepshank May 2015 #51

No clue. We're talking about Bernie and Hillary in this thread... truebrit71 May 2015 #55

You are making a point that at 17 HRC picked a Political side and is therefore always with that side Sheepshank May 2015 #62

The obvious? You mean Hillary's direct quote about her political affiliations? truebrit71 May 2015 #67

the point is that the op claimed Clinton was a lifelong Democrat.. frylock May 2015 #112

She has always voted Dem Sheepshank May 2015 #113

How about Sanders' voting record? frylock May 2015 #116

what is Sanders record? Sheepshank May 2015 #121

"That thinking is pure bunk." frylock May 2015 #122

Younger than Ronald Reagan when he switched to being a Republican! cascadiance May 2015 #88

exactly!!! Sheepshank May 2015 #91

46. She says she "started voting for Democrats in 1995." She was born in 1949. yellowcanine May 2015 #97

She also said she was a registered Republican for four years Mnpaul May 2015 #128

She was still a registered Repuke in 1996. Nixon, Reagan, Bush I. Was it Bush that tipped her over? Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #105

I noticed that the Goldwater stupidity returned to DU DURHAM D May 2015 #18

Yup, nothing like having the candidates actual words being used in a discussion... truebrit71 May 2015 #22

Email blast went out alright..que the attack pac talking points & links misterhighwasted May 2015 #32

ok but she has been demonstrated for decades. Bernie is indep Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #75

And the argument is that Bernie has been a better 'Democrat', advocating for Democratic positions... truebrit71 May 2015 #76

Hillary is not a lifelong Dem. NYC_SKP May 2015 #5

But, but, he is "running as a Democrat" leftofcool May 2015 #6

good question. Maybe it has to do with the Demand critic party on a national level, because still_one May 2015 #17

Would you please tell the gentleman above that every vote she cast was presumably for a Democrat? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #49

Itchy and Scratchy! FSogol May 2015 #9

Why would he even want to run as a Dem? I don't get why he misterhighwasted May 2015 #10

He clearly said he will not be a spoiler, and running as a third party he would be still_one May 2015 #23

And yet there still persists this confusion amongst the Hillary faithful... truebrit71 May 2015 #33

No one is inevitable still_one May 2015 #47

eeeewwww nnnnasty misterhighwasted May 2015 #146

The Democratic Socialists USA isn't a political party deutsey May 2015 #36

To get his name on the ballot in 50 states Mnpaul May 2015 #130

And he somehow manages to be LWolf May 2015 #12

No shit. truebrit71 May 2015 #16

Funny how that works, isn't it? n/t arcane1 May 2015 #104

I would call him an UNDERGROUND DEMOCRAT! immoderate May 2015 #126

WINNER. LWolf May 2015 #143

and some Democrats are DINOs. hobbit709 May 2015 #14

My only concern is will he do party building for more moderate members of the party. hrmjustin May 2015 #15

He has already said he will not run as a spoiler in the general election. truebrit71 May 2015 #19

This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2015 #21

I hope so. hrmjustin May 2015 #28

You know what nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #50

Oh i am. hrmjustin May 2015 #53

1.- your candidate (I am independent) nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #63

Well i will grant you if Hillary doesn't get the nomination there will be some pissed off fans. hrmjustin May 2015 #66

Like people were pissed nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #69

It will be a long season. hrmjustin May 2015 #71

Nah it is silly season nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #73

That support is a two way street Mnpaul May 2015 #133

Yes i agree. hrmjustin May 2015 #135

Do you think actual voters in a Presidential election would not vote for a Democratic candidate... Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #20

Crazy talk, 6 1/2 minute abs verses 7 minute abs still_one May 2015 #25

Hmm. Last I looked, one had to get the nomination first. If that is crazy, so be it. yellowcanine May 2015 #79

Now now, I didn't call you crazy... Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #84

Hillary is not a lifelong Dem. She used to be a Republican. City Lights May 2015 #24

She supported Republicans when she was too young to vote. As a voting adult, pnwmom May 2015 #138

"This PSA was brought to you by the DNC" B2G May 2015 #26

"Bernie isn't even a Democrat" Liberal_Dog May 2015 #29

Yup. Same reason they use that "goldwater girl". misterhighwasted May 2015 #39

That melodious refrain shall soon fill the halls of DU again. Autumn May 2015 #38

Hey, 'someone had to say it'. Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #42

No, you didn't have to say it. Not before checking facts. n/t Orsino May 2015 #43

OK, so he's not an official party member DFW May 2015 #44

Bernie is what the UglyGreed May 2015 #45

^^^This^^^ -none May 2015 #86

The New Democrats Mnpaul May 2015 #131

Very late to that talking point/ horse beaten to a pulp nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #46

Yes late to that talking point but I disagree that it is a dead horse. yellowcanine May 2015 #60

You mean like pointing out to the VT nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #68

Actually not the question. But hey, have at it. yellowcanine May 2015 #74

Because his platform looks out for their interests rather than Hillary's platform? truebrit71 May 2015 #78

Okay - here is an answer - because Bernie represents what the Democratic Party SHOULD stand djean111 May 2015 #80

You are free to vote for anybody running in the race nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #83

President of the Young Republicans at Wellesley. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #56

Depends on what a real Democrat is "is". L0oniX May 2015 #64

Hillary is lifelong Dem AlbertCat May 2015 #77

all the pro-Hillary panic is fun to watch TheSarcastinator May 2015 #81

It really is frylock May 2015 #115

This is a totally unproductive post. cyberswede May 2015 #82

Someone had to pick up the slack in VanillaD's absence frylock May 2015 #119

Mags and VR AtomicKitten May 2015 #125

In WA state we had two state Senators who were elected as Dems, then enabled a Repub coup suffragette May 2015 #85

well good. maybe pres Hillary will appoint him to something Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #124

Appoint Bernie as the President of the United States eloydude May 2015 #134

Democrat is a flexible label. And, that's pretty much all it is. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #87

Bernie's positions on every issue are very similar to FDR Z_California May 2015 #90

A lot of Democrats aren't even Democrats, so who cares? CrispyQ May 2015 #93

I miss unrec also Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #123

Exactly workinclasszero May 2015 #94

I love watching the Bernistas redstateblues May 2015 #108

And Michele Bachmann CAMPAIGNED for Jimmy Carter as a Democrat too... cascadiance May 2015 #96

Hillary Was A Goldwater Girl Back In The Day... NOT A Lifelong Dem... WillyT May 2015 #98

Show me some real democrats Angry Dragon May 2015 #101

Agree, and Bernie will be using Dem party raised money to run! lewebley3 May 2015 #102

Bernie is a DIPO. peecoolyour May 2015 #103

I wish the Democratic Party were Bernie in policy. n/t Orsino May 2015 #118

It's a feature, not a bug. [n/t] Maedhros May 2015 #106

Vermont does not have registration by party KamaAina May 2015 #107

He is, however, a liberal. Jester Messiah May 2015 #109

I guess when none of the other turds are taking purchase upon the wall.. frylock May 2015 #110

I don't much care. It's actions, not words, that matter. Avalux May 2015 #111

he would enter office at age 74 or 75 if elected. that would be the focus of the election Liberal_in_LA May 2015 #140

Is his age a problem for you? Avalux May 2015 #147

Bullshit. Why don't you just go hide somewhere HERVEPA May 2015 #154

oy ...just oy ! olddots May 2015 #114

Hillary is lifelong Dem? Stellar May 2015 #117

. Rex May 2015 #120

life�long ˈ(adjective) lasting or REMAINING in a particular state THROUGHOUT a person's life. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #132

That's one of his best features. Cheese Sandwich May 2015 #141

To quote, er...you... LWolf May 2015 #144

Bernie can be anything he wants and I'll still vote for him madokie May 2015 #145

You say that.. sendero May 2015 #148

A bunch of people already said it. Just stupid flame bait and highly unoriginal. HERVEPA May 2015 #153

This is a perfect example of what Skinner was talking about cyberswede May 2015 #157