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50. Bernie can't talk too much about race without attacking Hillary's racist 2008 campaign.

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:50 PM

May 2015

And he has promised not to attack her.

How can he talk about racism in America while ignoring Hillary's racist 2008 campaign? If he starts talking about it too much, someone is going to ask him about that. How can he respond to, "do you think Hillary Clinton should be disqualified from ever being a Democratic office holder after her last minute attempts to change election laws to suppress the Black vote in Nevada during the 2008 primary?"

If he says "yes", he is attacking Hillary.

If he says "no" or refuses to answer, then he is ignoring the rebirth of Jim Crow election laws, e.g. not addressing concerns of a very large portion of the Democratic base.

You are right. He should reach out to Hillary for advice on this. Her apparent strategy for dealing with the problem is to pre-emptively imply her opponent doesn't consider racism a big issue. When the voters are inevitably reminded of her racist 2008 campaign, she appears to be reading the reply...

"But I have more Black friends than Bernie!"

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Dear Bernie. Welcome to the real political world. You're not in Vermont anymore. [View all] DanTex May 2015 OP

Did you listen to his speech? Sherman A1 May 2015 #1

Bernie did mention that. Wilms May 2015 #5

It's hard to do when you're focused on getting a head count of white people frylock May 2015 #84

! Wilms May 2015 #85

... Zorra May 2015 #89

Did you just criticize Mr Perfect? leftofcool May 2015 #2

Yes, there will be hell to pay. Buzz Clik May 2015 #9

Apparently, he thinks Bernie should address Hillary's racist 2008 campaign. ieoeja May 2015 #51

This message was self-deleted by its author Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #59

You guys have some real solid critique here! AgingAmerican May 2015 #118

It's so funny isn't it? treestar May 2015 #164

No safe havens. NCTraveler May 2015 #3

Hillary isn't properly vetted eloydude May 2015 #154

I think people are kacekwl May 2015 #4

The starter and the backup have already tried this play, and they failed. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #6

Fail. NYC_SKP May 2015 #7

Huge fail nt Mojorabbit May 2015 #46

He'll figure it out. Buzz Clik May 2015 #8

Nothing wrong with criticism Sherman A1 May 2015 #10

So clever, he's a dog! Bet you're glad Sanders isn't a woman, eh? nt. polly7 May 2015 #16

No, he's a saint. St. Bernard. That will be my sig line ... Buzz Clik May 2015 #18

The dog's adorable, I think Sanders is adorable ..... what you're doing, isn't. nt. polly7 May 2015 #19

You wound me. Buzz Clik May 2015 #22

I'm not a supporter of anyone, I'm from Canada ....... I just know hypocrisy when I see it. nt. polly7 May 2015 #23

Hypocrisy? WTF? Buzz Clik May 2015 #24

I sure do. When you post a picture of a dog to be seen over and over of polly7 May 2015 #28

That's a helluva lot of bullshit, and nothing substantive demonstrating my "hypocrisy." Buzz Clik May 2015 #41

Believe me, it didn't take any passion. polly7 May 2015 #44

Hypocrisy is the people who called us mindless followers and cheerleaders treestar May 2015 #166

Wtf are you yammering on about? polly7 May 2015 #168

Even if you were not one of the people doing it treestar May 2015 #187

I haven't got a damned clue what you're talking about so take it up with polly7 May 2015 #188

You must not have been in GD much these last 6 years treestar May 2015 #189

I missed nothing. polly7 May 2015 #190

OMG! I never said Obama was adorable treestar May 2015 #165

OMG! OMG! OMG! polly7 May 2015 #169

Don't explain it treestar JustAnotherGen May 2015 #185

You're right, I shouldn't have communicated with treestar. polly7 May 2015 #186

St B's are the best fredamae May 2015 #25

Patron Saint of Skiers and Alpinists! MADem May 2015 #79

Wasn't Bill Clinton known as the Big Dog? Nye Bevan May 2015 #30

I'm guessing high school is out for summer vacation Trajan May 2015 #60

You really should avoid the personal insults. Buzz Clik May 2015 #65

Don't be silly Trajan May 2015 #77

+1 uponit7771 May 2015 #180

Well done... Sancho May 2015 #11

"There's no reason to bash Bernie's circular firing squad" Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #68

yachts in the background.. frylock May 2015 #86

Below is a link to Read Bernie Sanders�s populist, policy-heavy speech kicking off his campaign Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #12

Agree, an issue we should not have to face in 2015 is the race issue, this should have been resolved Thinkingabout May 2015 #75

He IS going after the voter suppression (ID) laws. tblue37 May 2015 #125

Grasping at straws is only a bit better than grasping at nothing. HereSince1628 May 2015 #13

Not really Mnpaul May 2015 #112

+1. historylovr May 2015 #177

Bzzzzzt. FAIL, dan cali May 2015 #14

I stand corrected. He did in fact use the word "race". And still people complain! The horror!!! DanTex May 2015 #15

well, why don't you take down your incorrect OP, or at least correct it? corkhead May 2015 #34

OK, corrected. DanTex May 2015 #38

It is reported that just 1% of Vermont's population is African American. sgtbenobo May 2015 #98

I guess some people expected Bernie LuvNewcastle May 2015 #147

A pic from a recent Bernie rally: brentspeak May 2015 #17

Come on now. Full disclosure. When and where was this pic taken, and what was the event? Buzz Clik May 2015 #21

It appears to be from April 2015, after he delayed the TPP vote arcane1 May 2015 #58

As far as the "where", if you look behind everyone, Bohunk68 May 2015 #160

Sanders stepped in to talk at someone else's rally. Buzz Clik May 2015 #161

I can't tell if this is satire or not. Brickbat May 2015 #20

IT is getting hard to tell around here. Rex May 2015 #72

You must have some wonderful political credentials to be qualified ladjf May 2015 #26

Pretty much the same qualification as the people here who bash Hillary: a DU account. DanTex May 2015 #27

Kind of like lecturing Al Gore about why he lost the election? Nye Bevan May 2015 #31

You must not have read my post regarding Al Gore's campaign. ladjf May 2015 #39

There are entire Congressional Districts with more people than Vermont. MohRokTah May 2015 #29

Yes, and Bernie has not had the responsibility of managing large groups lewebley3 May 2015 #35

And Obama was a community organizer.. frylock May 2015 #88

And... so what? Arkansas only has 4. arcane1 May 2015 #91

Arkansas has 5 times the population and is far more diverse. NYC Liberal May 2015 #96

I'm still not seeing much of a point here. arcane1 May 2015 #100

Is having a candidate that has led and represented a diverse constituency a good thing? NYC Liberal May 2015 #120

So yes, only certain states, and certain previous jobs, qualify? arcane1 May 2015 #122

"Qualify"? No. It's not about "qualifying." NYC Liberal May 2015 #155

I think it's more important ... Trajan May 2015 #152

If you want a President who fights for working families, then Hillary is the one. NYC Liberal May 2015 #156

My state is the same. bravenak May 2015 #115

Yes, Agreed: Sanders has not lived in the Real world. lewebley3 May 2015 #32

Bernie has served in the US Congress for more than 20 years Art_from_Ark May 2015 #146

Served in a state with One Party rule. lewebley3 May 2015 #176

Aside from the snide tone, I accept your general premise Tom Rinaldo May 2015 #33

. truebluegreen May 2015 #36

Ludicrous, dishonest OP. Orsino May 2015 #37

Amen Good grief. treestar May 2015 #40

What vetting? Please do vet Senator Sanders on Civil Rights instead of grotesque smears TheKentuckian May 2015 #128

I don't need to do that to know Fauz Noise will treestar May 2015 #153

They and you may proceed, that record is top notch so "vet away" TheKentuckian May 2015 #159

Great more race baiting. I guess you don't know much about Sanders record, Or Ms. Clinton's either Dragonfli May 2015 #42

Did Hillary mention race during her gigs with Goldman Sachs? Were a lot of Blacks attending? Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #43

She mentioned it in her campaign...I think that's more important brooklynite May 2015 #45

I have good reason to believe that Bernie would do much the same. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #47

She did give a shout out to "Hard-Working Americans, White Americans" in 2008 frylock May 2015 #90

This message was self-deleted by its author LordGlenconner May 2015 #157

Bernies crowd are well to do white baby boomers workinclasszero May 2015 #48

Somehow I seriously doubt anyone will be holding a salon for Bernie. bluesbassman May 2015 #49

Because Clinton doesn't appeal to the well-to-do? arcane1 May 2015 #52

another swing and a miss.. frylock May 2015 #97

Try again. TM99 May 2015 #123

Sure workinclasszero May 2015 #136

So fucking typical. TM99 May 2015 #141

Talk about throwing bull shit workinclasszero May 2015 #142

Go away. TM99 May 2015 #143

Bernie can't talk too much about race without attacking Hillary's racist 2008 campaign. ieoeja May 2015 #50

Yes, Hillary knows all about campaigning and is the master of it. hughee99 May 2015 #53

She won because he was a lousy candidate. Bohunk68 May 2015 #163

So, what happened exactly? Oneironaut May 2015 #54

Briefly, Bernie Sanders gave a speech to kick off his campaign. DanTex May 2015 #55

Ok thanks! Oneironaut May 2015 #57

Who else has mentioned this other than that fuckwit blogger? DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #94

For example, Chris Hayes. DanTex May 2015 #104

Look! TM99 May 2015 #158

Bernie is apparently responsible for the demographics of Vermont and doesn't care about black people Throd May 2015 #56

These fucking threads are hilarious given his record. bunnies May 2015 #61

Yeah! Only Hillary is supposed to be scrutinized for every little misstep! DanTex May 2015 #62

Not at all what I said. Was it? nt bunnies May 2015 #63

What misstep? Some folks are trying to stitch one out of thin air but they are so full of shit their TheKentuckian May 2015 #131

Let's take a look at Obama's annoucement speech, shall we? Bluenorthwest May 2015 #64

Is that all it take...just say the word "race". Stellar May 2015 #66

Seriously. I was pointed to the line in the speech where the word "race" was used, DanTex May 2015 #70

Okay, sorry. nt Stellar May 2015 #73

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #67

Dumb and desperate... AzDar May 2015 #69

I thin Bernie gets it ... some of his supporters here ... not so much. JoePhilly May 2015 #71

DanTex... Rex May 2015 #74

One poster represents that poster. Bernie Sanders history and record on Civil Rights and Racism: magical thyme May 2015 #76

Thank you Oilwellian May 2015 #81

which is exactly what I suggested to the blogger who's blog started this nuttiness! magical thyme May 2015 #82

that would take some amount of time and effort.. frylock May 2015 #92

Thank you! Great post! eleanor record May 2015 #113

Dkos: Bernie Sanders and Minority Voters in Democratic Primaries Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #78

Dear Bernie, welcome to the real political world, where you will be smeared mercilessly by hacks whatchamacallit May 2015 #80

Maybe it's time for GD:P? frylock May 2015 #83

It's like he just comes out and says it and means it. Rex May 2015 #99

Real Political world CTBlueboy May 2015 #87

Welcome to DU frylock May 2015 #95

I seem to remember Dan Tex from long ago ... Was up on electronic voting issues Trajan May 2015 #93

On behalf (?) of Bernie, I accept your welcome. Now, where does it hurt? immoderate May 2015 #101

You're not in Vermont anymore, BUT Man from Pickens May 2015 #102

Asking the question about Sanders's appeal to a diverse group is totally legit. Buzz Clik May 2015 #174

DanTex--have you BEEN to Vermont droidamus2 May 2015 #103

Actually, yes. Despite my username, I've lived in NYC for a while now, and have DanTex May 2015 #106

I assume from your name you're from Texas? ibegurpard May 2015 #105

Actually I've lived in NYC for a while now. I lived in TX when I joined DU. DanTex May 2015 #107

DeBlasio sounds like he's moving away from HRC, btw. Ken Burch May 2015 #133

Yeah, that wouldn't surprise me. It probably depends on his future plans. DanTex May 2015 #135

Why couldn't he have future presidential ambitions AND endorse Bernie? Ken Burch May 2015 #144

Well, that's just my opinion. He'll decide what he decides. DanTex May 2015 #145

And he didn't promise to empower families and communities, either! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #108

BERNIE SANDERS DOESN'T HAVE A COUNTRY MUSIC VIDEO YET! Warren DeMontague May 2015 #109

Wow that video is awful. Hadn't seen that before. Could only stand about 20 seconds. DanTex May 2015 #111

You can thank me later Warren DeMontague May 2015 #114

LOL. Trying. Not. To. Watch. Whole. Thing. AAARGH!!! DanTex May 2015 #116

Music just doesn't get any better than that. zappaman May 2015 #121

Isn't it tiiiiiiime NuclearDem May 2015 #175

I guess you were last to the party LondonReign2 May 2015 #110

Translation: Not Right Wing Enough AgingAmerican May 2015 #117

It's not like Bernie forbade poc to attend his event. Ken Burch May 2015 #119

True, but entirely missing the point. DanTex May 2015 #124

Everyone in the Democratic Party and all progressives Ken Burch May 2015 #126

Yes, but missing the point again. DanTex May 2015 #127

It goes without saying that he will talk just as much about race as HRC will Ken Burch May 2015 #130

This is pretty funny MFrohike May 2015 #129

Dear America. Welcome to Vermont's real demographics. whathehell May 2015 #132

Cool flail thread BlindTiresias May 2015 #134

That's the most childish cheapshot I've seen yet from the Hillary camp. 99Forever May 2015 #137

I am kind of worried, actually. DanTex May 2015 #138

He isn't going to "weaken her"... 99Forever May 2015 #139

Well, no, he's probably not. He's vowed not to go negative. DanTex May 2015 #140

Who said anything about "negative?" 99Forever May 2015 #148

Bernie himself did. He said he's not going negative. DanTex May 2015 #150

Absurd. He will have to deal with national politics treestar May 2015 #167

Kerry LOST 2% of the POC vote and that was after 4 yrs of BUSH!! Keep thinking not speaking to uponit7771 May 2015 #181

Your concern is noted nt LiberalElite May 2015 #149

What a load of bovine excrement. Jester Messiah May 2015 #151

No principles? Nice. Buzz Clik May 2015 #162

Yeah, well, the truth hurts. Jester Messiah May 2015 #170

And stating that an entire group of people "have no principles" is the high road? Buzz Clik May 2015 #171

Calling it like it is. Jester Messiah May 2015 #172

Perhaps we're talking about different people. Buzz Clik May 2015 #173

Just "asking questions," eh? Jester Messiah May 2015 #179

You haven't given me anything suggesting accusations, so I'll give you the quotes I'm talking about: Buzz Clik May 2015 #184

Kerry LOST 2% of the POC vote and that was after 4 yrs of BUSH!! uponit7771 May 2015 #182

Maybe you need a GD:P forum just for your special OPs? Rex May 2015 #178

or... cyberswede May 2015 #183