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194. Been a dem forever

Reply to Spazito (Reply #180)

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:57 PM

May 2015

I have always been a dem but lately not a happy one

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What does it say that mild criticism of Bernie is met with great vengeance and furious anger? [View all] DanTex May 2015 OP

Bernie Sanders very well CAN beat the GOP. pangaia May 2015 #1

+1, no make that 10, n/t ejbr May 2015 #61

and so can every other candidate, however, whoever our nominee is, it is far from a slam dunk still_one May 2015 #87

But can he beat Hillary? hack89 May 2015 #134

Well, there are different kinds of intelligences. pangaia May 2015 #245

The best is shaped by experience and practical thinking hack89 May 2015 #246

Who said anything about emotion and wishful thinking? Not I. pangaia May 2015 #247

Of course not. Nt hack89 May 2015 #251

The Smart Money can bugger off. Oakenshield May 2015 #253

Not in an election. Maybe at bowling. nt stevenleser May 2015 #198

So if he's the Democratic nominee you won't vote for him? BeanMusical May 2015 #240

I've answered that question many times. I won't again in response to your straw man. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #243

It was a rhetorical question. BeanMusical May 2015 #255

No, it was a straw man. Nt stevenleser May 2015 #259

Lol! BeanMusical May 2015 #260

I don't see any path to victory for Sanders in a national general election. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #210

No he can not , independents will not vote for him. Florencenj2point0 May 2015 #244

Who will Independants vote for? frylock May 2015 #248

I find it a fascinating exercise that I am told by Partisans who nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #262

I don't see vehemence and anger. morningfog May 2015 #2

Silly indeed - just primary season getting started. polichick May 2015 #26

Of course you don't. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #73

+10^10^100 nt stevenleser May 2015 #199

I dismiss your silly comment out of hand and without bitterness. morningfog May 2015 #209

Don't care Bobbie Jo May 2015 #214

End ? ... what end? Trajan May 2015 #231

huh? Bobbie Jo May 2015 #241

It's exactly the same as 2008. MoonRiver May 2015 #3

Seems that some posters support for Obama in 2008 was based in Hillary hate. boston bean May 2015 #8

Yes, and oh the irony. Now Obama is practically the anti-Christ in their minds. MoonRiver May 2015 #12

I mean why would anyone trust their opinion again? boston bean May 2015 #13

Exactly. It's hardly worth responding to. MoonRiver May 2015 #18

The thoughts you are drawing on here are an important metric. NCTraveler May 2015 #20

IKR? workinclasszero May 2015 #82

I laugh every time I see one poster who absolutely hated Hillary and called her morally depraved Autumn May 2015 #86

who? seabeyond May 2015 #93

I won't mention the name but I can send you a link to that post if you want it. Autumn May 2015 #107

i supported obama. i also had to call out misogyny toward clinton. so i hear ya. i stayed seabeyond May 2015 #112

I sent you some links. We hear the same things today being used all over again Autumn May 2015 #159

What'cha trying to say there? QC May 2015 #235

I remember it quit differently brush May 2015 #141

pumas? i thought that was drama from the obama supporters. i was squarely in obamas camp. seabeyond May 2015 #142

Re-read my post brush May 2015 #151

yet, obama people used to attack clinton. those that still hate clinton are now using it as attack seabeyond May 2015 #153

Again, I don't remember it that way brush May 2015 #160

no way. i was edwards, as were many then obama. never clinton. i didnt want another clinton. seabeyond May 2015 #161

Okay, that's you brush May 2015 #165

ha. i was far from the only, which is the point. ya. that you will not even acknowledge that, from seabeyond May 2015 #167

It's serious to me. I'm just giving you my opinion . . . brush May 2015 #174

you ignore a lot that happened in 2008. so ya. i do not take you seriously. i am allowed. seabeyond May 2015 #175

There was A LOT of misogyny directed at Hillary Clinton in 2008 by Jamastiene May 2015 #224

That ridiculousness didn't exist in my circles brush May 2015 #242

I agree. Jamastiene May 2015 #261

There was a lot of nastiness from that faction. Skidmore May 2015 #192

i was obama and really hated the whole puma thing, all the way around. i ignored it. nt seabeyond May 2015 #193

I'd say that's a fair assessment DFW May 2015 #64

That is just beautiful. MoonRiver May 2015 #72

Yeah, good luck with that. DFW May 2015 #188

Bernie Sanders is NO Barack Obama, not even close. MoonRiver May 2015 #220

It would be nice.. sendero May 2015 #154

To me that term means about as much as when the whacko right calls me a "libbrul." DFW May 2015 #187

I think "corporatist" has a definite image Art_from_Ark May 2015 #225

I wouldn't call what is being lobbed at him 'mild criticism'. JaneyVee May 2015 #4

Yep it's unreasonable for anybody to support someone who isn't married to corporate and wall-street el_bryanto May 2015 #5

why would "the corporations" and "Wall Street" treestar May 2015 #29

You really asked that question? el_bryanto May 2015 #31

How often do they tank it? treestar May 2015 #91

After the great depression we put in regulation that worked really well for a long time el_bryanto May 2015 #103

obama implemented a weak version. now with repugs, has been lessened. this is where our govt seabeyond May 2015 #110

Still all those people thought they were going to create a booming economy treestar May 2015 #120

Corporations don't think tennstar May 2015 #127

Indeed. One only needs to pay the mildest of attention to our natural world. raouldukelives May 2015 #155

You said it better tennstar May 2015 #196

It's not so much that any one person "wants to" but rather ideology drives them that way Fumesucker May 2015 #32

Because they are chasing personal incentives. jeff47 May 2015 #39

Still there's a point where their fortune would disappear too treestar May 2015 #95

Not really. They would still be the "haves" in a dystopia. jeff47 May 2015 #111

They deliberately tanked the economy in 2007? treestar May 2015 #116

Yes, because they were extracting money. jeff47 May 2015 #131

"They believe their fortresses are impregnable" because they are privatizing the military. ieoeja May 2015 #162

Not really. They don't pay their private guards enough. jeff47 May 2015 #168

You know- like Bill Clinton sank the economy redstateblues May 2015 #52

Well if it is a center right country treestar May 2015 #99

a few scattered sentences without specifics Javaman May 2015 #6

It says pretty much what Skinner said it was. n/t leftofcool May 2015 #7

You keep saying that in different threads. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #125

No, my brother died of AIDS about 8 years ago. leftofcool May 2015 #201

Or, you could just post the thing instead of obliquely referring to it in several places. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #212

Here ya go, it was easy to find. leftofcool May 2015 #222

I didn't even try to find it. Thanks for posting. Now I'll read it. nt DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #223

OK, I've read Skinner's reply now. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #227

your op lacks intellectual honesty on more than one front cali May 2015 #9

Interestingly, the fact that you accuse people of implying that Sanders is "racist" is part of what DanTex May 2015 #23

cali consistently changes peoples words to create her own argument. watch. i am a sander supporter seabeyond May 2015 #34

You backing the corporate candidate, while charging Bernie has not done onecaliberal May 2015 #79

but see. you made up an argument so you could laugh. meh.... seabeyond May 2015 #115

And Hillary's campaign launch treestar May 2015 #122

I didn't criticize her video. In fact, I complimented it. I liked it. onecaliberal May 2015 #183

No one insinuated he is a racist- this is exactly why POC suggest LISTENING as step one in bettyellen May 2015 #177

Lol remember the last primary? GusBob May 2015 #10

But only after he does his infamous scream first. Jamastiene May 2015 #263

What utter, unmitigated horseshit, completely unsupported by any specifics. Bernie was an KingCharlemagne May 2015 #11

You are a perfect example of what Skinner talked about yesterday. leftofcool May 2015 #15

Alert on me. - nt KingCharlemagne May 2015 #16

What did he say? n/t MoonRiver May 2015 #19

He was talking about.... Adrahil May 2015 #38

Spot on Skinner, as usual! MoonRiver May 2015 #51

When Democrats support warmed over moderate Republican policy and idealogy they should be criticized LondonReign2 May 2015 #156

when posters change our dems to repugs, it is time for dems to say,... no. you do not get to do that seabeyond May 2015 #163

In an answer to a question in Ask the Administrators... Spazito May 2015 #58

Well said, indeed. Also, how very sad. MoonRiver May 2015 #69

I would imagine that being a "democrat" kinda means you're gonna argue passionately for the issues CTyankee May 2015 #75

Nothing wrong with arguing about issues... Adrahil May 2015 #84

i want more from both obama and clinton, too. i want to hear more. i am disappointed more isnt seabeyond May 2015 #98

Your position just ins't realistic in our political system. Adrahil May 2015 #158

people use "lesser of two evils". i agree. that is bullshit. i disagree and call that shit out. nt seabeyond May 2015 #164

I agree. When it dissolves into name calling and hurling insults against people, it's time to go CTyankee May 2015 #102

people are refusing the argument. OP's asking, what can we do. then a whole list of supporters seabeyond May 2015 #119

No, being a Democrat is a lot more than being able/willing to slug it out with other Democrats. MoonRiver May 2015 #114

My point is (and I'm sorry you missed it) that we are diverse in the way we think and we value the CTyankee May 2015 #129

You said I should think about belonging to a different party MoonRiver May 2015 #136

I thought progressive democrats could both value dissenting views and remain true to our own values. CTyankee May 2015 #140

You said I should change parties. Just what party were you suggesting I should change to? MoonRiver May 2015 #152

My humble opinion tennstar May 2015 #148

Senator Sanders is running under the Democratic party banner... Spazito May 2015 #180

Been a dem forever tennstar May 2015 #194

Yet you state the following... Spazito May 2015 #197

Well yes and no tennstar May 2015 #229

I think DU has done a great job standing against republicans and republican ideals. nt raouldukelives May 2015 #171

It's obvious Skinner is more than a little unhappy at this turn of events. stevenleser May 2015 #204

Given DU was started when bush was selected by the Supreme Court... Spazito May 2015 #208

Bullshit! TM99 May 2015 #14

Yes. cwydro May 2015 #30

+1 deutsey May 2015 #189

"Bernie good, Hillary and Republicans evil." NCTraveler May 2015 #17

This is all getting very confusing. OilemFirchen May 2015 #27

Oh, good grief. Hissyspit May 2015 #21

I think he can win gollygee May 2015 #22

It says that people still respond to roaminronin May 2015 #24

It would be nice if they would reflect their candidate's character and integrity BainsBane May 2015 #50

The enraged sputtering is quite amusing. Sheldon Cooper May 2015 #25

I feel the same way... Adrahil May 2015 #40

It's why I'm not a Christian. MohRokTah May 2015 #211

The fact you lumped Hillary in with Republicans should answer your own question. Exilednight May 2015 #28

nah, it just says it's primary season here at DU fishwax May 2015 #33

Hillary cannot win. Too much baggage. Too polarizing. Lacks the charisma of Bill & Barack. peacebird May 2015 #35

+1 truebluegreen May 2015 #113

+2 donf May 2015 #150

"Sanders is a racist" is not mild criticism. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #36

No, but of course, nobody actually said that. DanTex May 2015 #37

Heavily implied it. jeff47 May 2015 #43

Not even close. They just said he didn't address race enough. DanTex May 2015 #46

wrong. you do not get to make up false accusations. no one said that. cause YOU interpret it seabeyond May 2015 #48

Or more heavily inferred it... LanternWaste May 2015 #186

ya. nobody said that. nt seabeyond May 2015 #41

Nobody said Clinton personally ordered Benghazi either. jeff47 May 2015 #45

i am glad you acknowledge that your statement "sanders is a racist" is bullshit. self delete the bs seabeyond May 2015 #49

No, my point is the desired message is sent without the explicit statement. jeff47 May 2015 #55

YOU are making shit up. YOU are creating an argument that is NOT. YOU proudly are standing on a lie. seabeyond May 2015 #56

And what do you think is implied by "There weren't a lot of blacks in the audience"? jeff47 May 2015 #59

people are flat out stating, ... his DEMOGRAPHICS are middle/upper middle, white, men. what he is seabeyond May 2015 #62

The thread in question based those demographics on the color of the skin in the crowd. jeff47 May 2015 #66

facts. this discussion has been going on for 3 weeks on du. the dynamic of ones lives with the seabeyond May 2015 #89

And more damage control jeff47 May 2015 #108

we, and that includes you, have been having this conversation a good 3 weeks. if that alone, has to seabeyond May 2015 #123

Again, you are trying to have a different conversation. I'm talking about posts yesterday jeff47 May 2015 #133

yes. people noticed the demographics in the crowd yesterday. we have talked about it for 3 weeks. seabeyond May 2015 #137

Wow, you talked about an event yesterday for 3 weeks? Can I borrow your time machine? jeff47 May 2015 #166

whatever jeff. a glance, 'hillary spewing vile'. not reading all that has nothing to do with my post seabeyond May 2015 #169

I hope you enjoy discussing petunias on any subject you give a shit about. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #170

again, wtf ever seabeyond May 2015 #173

oh. btw, htis is what i was talking about 3 weeks ago. people, and minorities noticed sanders seabeyond May 2015 #138

Who said that? BainsBane May 2015 #78

Link please. MohRokTah May 2015 #121

Completely unrecommended. Enthusiast May 2015 #42

It says that people actively oppose civic engagement BainsBane May 2015 #44

That you project a lot more emotion onto people than exists? nt Erich Bloodaxe BSN May 2015 #47

That they are Pulp Fiction fans? nt Bonobo May 2015 #53

To me it simply points out... DeadLetterOffice May 2015 #54

It says we've got a little contest going BeyondGeography May 2015 #57

Clearly you don't have Sanders in your heart Recursion May 2015 #60

Bernie fans carrying water for the right wing workinclasszero May 2015 #63

Hillary fans carrying water for the same big money that took our country into a recession. L0oniX May 2015 #70

Really? workinclasszero May 2015 #76

Reading comprehension skill lacking? L0oniX May 2015 #92

I am a fan of Bernie's and I don't hate Hillary. I voted for her in our CT primary back in 08. CTyankee May 2015 #135

Hyperbole at its best. LWolf May 2015 #65

Black people saying Sanders didn't address race enough is playing the race card? leftofcool May 2015 #71

Not all black people! TM99 May 2015 #80

That's certainly not what I said, but please... LWolf May 2015 #96

Mission Accomplished RufusTFirefly May 2015 #67

^^^^^^^^ This is the correct answer ^^^^^^^^ woo me with science May 2015 #217

Talented marketers are paid good money to develop and disseminate these memes. Zorra May 2015 #257

"Bernie doesn't do so well in rational, nuanced world, which is to say, the real world" L0oniX May 2015 #68

Meh. I don't even criticize Bernie, and his screamers do their best to drive everyone away ConservativeDemocrat May 2015 #74

You guys keep throwing out these unsubstantiated memes AgingAmerican May 2015 #77

Well, "he can't win" is the biggest beef I have with Bernie. DanTex May 2015 #81

Cuz you say so AgingAmerican May 2015 #90

By every possible measure of electability. Polls, fundraising, campaign infrastructure, DanTex May 2015 #94

The first primary is 9 months out AgingAmerican May 2015 #106

Well, I guess we disagree. But winning the White House is important to me, and I don't think DanTex May 2015 #109

Cuz you say so. AgingAmerican May 2015 #118

You are right workinclasszero May 2015 #117

It's not "mild criticism." It's swiftboating. And the "great CharlotteVale May 2015 #83

addressing demographics, hence where he'll get votes, is swiftboating? i thought that was politics? seabeyond May 2015 #130

People are just buckling their seat belts for the predictable onslaught, financed by raindaddy May 2015 #85

Now I'm really pissed! workinclasszero May 2015 #237

I wonder what the jury vote was on your post. MohRokTah May 2015 #88

Me too. Anyone have the jury? Please post. DanTex May 2015 #100

At least it was nice to see a jury voted 7-0 to hide the post that called you a troll. MohRokTah May 2015 #124

"Vengeance"??? Whatever. I'll stick to my dictionary definitions. WinkyDink May 2015 #97

It's from Pulp Fiction. DanTex May 2015 #101

"Bernie good, Hillary and Republicans evil." Thanks for that, DanTex. Short and sweet. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #104

Post removed Post removed May 2015 #105

Some of these folks are absolutely vicious. Bobbie Jo May 2015 #126

Two legs BETTER. n/t Orsino May 2015 #128

what does it say that any alternative to Hillary is met with hyperbolic pearl clutching & lies? TheSarcastinator May 2015 #132

mild criticism, like inferring that he's a gun nut? frylock May 2015 #139

Which he is by voting against the Brady Bill workinclasszero May 2015 #238

yeah.. frylock May 2015 #239

I refuse to post HRC ops in GD because i do not want to go a 1000 rounds. hrmjustin May 2015 #143

Open your eyes, DanTex senz May 2015 #144

It says that karma happens, even if you support Hillary Android3.14 May 2015 #145

Criticism or lies and innuendo? TexasMommaWithAHat May 2015 #146

And therein is the problem. I get angry at the lies. jwirr May 2015 #149

Nice try but no cigar. Phlem May 2015 #147

Funny, I haven't seen that. davidthegnome May 2015 #157

So much this. Oakenshield May 2015 #254

It has been said... tonedevil May 2015 #172

Uhm kenfrequed May 2015 #176

You had me right up until this JustAnotherGen May 2015 #178

i totally agree it is too early to write sanders off. i replied to those, early on. i ignore that seabeyond May 2015 #179

I also don't like the implication JustAnotherGen May 2015 #182

links please? I'd like to see how a single poster magical thyme May 2015 #181

Congratulations on your use of the GOP tactic of projection tularetom May 2015 #184

SUBTEXT: Sanders supporters are irrational, and they live in a fantasy world.. frylock May 2015 #249

Mild criticism of both candidates is met with great vengeance LanternWaste May 2015 #185

. deutsey May 2015 #190

It means that Samuel L. Jackson is a Bernie supporter? nt Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #191

Either Samuel Jackson, or monks working for King James II (of King James Bible fame) DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #233

+1 Quayblue May 2015 #195

You few that love making thread after thread playing 'politics' are amusing I will admit. Rex May 2015 #200

Well, I skipped the whole thread, except for the OP...and I don't think calling him a racist is a libdem4life May 2015 #202

I agree with you, but since nobody called him racist, that's a bit of a strange non-sequitor. DanTex May 2015 #203

Where have you been? It's all over DU...he didn't speak about black people so he's lost his creds libdem4life May 2015 #207

What's there to criticize about Bernie Sanders? JDPriestly May 2015 #205

Please define "mild criticism". Avalux May 2015 #206

His most devoted supporters here LordGlenconner May 2015 #213

Calling him a racist is "mild criticism"? KamaAina May 2015 #215

Of course not. But nobody did that. DanTex May 2015 #216

This is a very sensible post ibegurpard May 2015 #218

And it also seems very serious. ibegurpard May 2015 #219

Very Serious People have Very Serious concerns frylock May 2015 #250

Uhm, Republicans ARE evil. Jamastiene May 2015 #221

Really, what's to criticize? Outside of nitpicking.... TheNutcracker May 2015 #226

Says to me that maybe his fans are as terrified that he'll lose as they keep saying Hillary Number23 May 2015 #228

Maybe it means you watch too many Tarantino movies ... Trajan May 2015 #230

You can criticize Bernie all you want...that's fine...but you're not entitled to special deference. Ken Burch May 2015 #232

When did I ask for special deference? DanTex May 2015 #234

Oh, please...Try mildly criticizing Greenwald, Snowden or Hersh on this forum Blue_Tires May 2015 #236

You two have a very strange interpretation of "mild criticism" frylock May 2015 #252

To be fair... Blue_Tires May 2015 #256

It's the manufactured outrage AgingAmerican May 2015 #258

Oh, FFS. Is this getting old. nt Logical May 2015 #264

Don't see that at all G_j Feb 2016 #265