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stevenleser

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14. That's part of the negotiating that happens when Unions collectively bargain with companies

Thu May 28, 2015, 03:19 PM

May 2015

You have a lot of situations where the Union negotiates a lower pay than average industry standard in order to get things like pensions and top shelf health care plans for their members. Obviously the Union would like to be able to get top pay and top benefits for their members, but as in most negotiations there is a give and take.

At least there is some negotiating and some give and take with a group that has the power to make companies make concessions on the behalf of the workers.

Outside of Union membership, you take basically what a company offers which all too often is the least they think they have to offer to get someone to do the job.

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L.A. labor leaders seek minimum wage exemption for firms with union workers. Thoughts? [View all] stevenleser May 2015 OP

Boo hiss tularetom May 2015 #1

Makes sense HassleCat May 2015 #2

That's what I'm hoping this is about. Wilms May 2015 #11

^^^THIS^^^ Omaha Steve May 2015 #24

Bad idea. hobbit709 May 2015 #3

What if they negotiated a $14/hr salary with a Cadillac health care plan that had no copays? stevenleser May 2015 #4

What are the odds? And even $14/hr is barely a living wage most places. hobbit709 May 2015 #5

I believe Unions with Cadillac health care plans were oft talked about in ACA as an exemption stevenleser May 2015 #6

If that $40 a week is the difference between paying the rent or not. hobbit709 May 2015 #8

It's not $40 a week... it's $40 a week plus union dues... hughee99 May 2015 #12

I'll admit I'm not familiar with a whole lot of union deals, hughee99 May 2015 #13

That's part of the negotiating that happens when Unions collectively bargain with companies stevenleser May 2015 #14

Yes, I understand this, but we're not talking about unions in general... hughee99 May 2015 #15

If minimum wage becomes $15 an hour it becomes much more likely. There must be a reason stevenleser May 2015 #16

The real world application would be that if Unions can negotiate below minimum wage deals hughee99 May 2015 #19

They could always theoretically have used that exemption. There must be something about stevenleser May 2015 #20

I think the higher the minimum wage gets, the more valuable that exemption is. hughee99 May 2015 #21

Then let them get the law changed to specify a minumum of $15/hour _including_ benefits for anyone. PoliticAverse May 2015 #32

I understand the logic behind it. peecoolyour May 2015 #7

Agreed, the optics are horrible and Unions can ill afford to give their critics this kind of easy stevenleser May 2015 #17

It could be that there is a two tier system. upaloopa May 2015 #9

The key word is "negotiate" cyberswede May 2015 #10

This could be a very clever move on the unions' part. KamaAina May 2015 #18

This was my thought. Exilednight May 2015 #22

Why join? MichMan May 2015 #23

I honestly think the LATimes is ratfucking. Starry Messenger May 2015 #25

Agreed kenfrequed May 2015 #27

They've been bbqing the teachers union down there for years. Starry Messenger May 2015 #28

How the hell do we allow this?! kenfrequed May 2015 #31

Deceptive frigging headline. kenfrequed May 2015 #26

Yet another reason health care should be separated from employment. n/t PoliticAverse May 2015 #29

hell to the Yes! kenfrequed May 2015 #30

It's the headline from the LA Times word for word and letter for letter stevenleser May 2015 #33

I know it is kenfrequed May 2015 #34

If you are trying to "negotiate" sub minimum wages then you aren't a union TheKentuckian May 2015 #35