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NaturalHigh

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22. I disagree.

Fri May 29, 2015, 11:48 AM

May 2015

Back in olden times, it seemed to me that moderators strove to maintain a homogenous point-of-view with which they agreed. It's not fair for just a few people to say "Well, I don't like this. Let's hide it."

To me it seems like the old system was run by a small clique that went out of its way to squelch dissent with its opinion all too often. I've been here more than a decade, and I've seen it more than a few times.

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I was a moderator on DU way back when. [View all] Avalux May 2015 OP

You take your chances Capt. Obvious May 2015 #1

Yeah, I see a LOT of the "The other person deserves it" bullshit. PeaceNikki May 2015 #2

amen! n/t chillfactor May 2015 #78

Thanks MannyGoldstein May 2015 #3

Yes they were. Avalux May 2015 #5

Do you think the no-personal-attacks policy helped? MannyGoldstein May 2015 #8

Well, we already have that. Avalux May 2015 #15

"No personal attacks" MannyGoldstein May 2015 #24

Some of us are so jaded nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #4

I don't serve on juries and I don't alert on anybody. m-lekktor May 2015 #9

speaking of the cave carolinayellowdog May 2015 #18

And likely here under another name nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #19

hmmm. mopinko May 2015 #127

I hear ya - you're probably better off with that approach. Avalux May 2015 #21

The site nadinbrzezinski May 2015 #40

Your assumption is that people are objective and reasonable. Renew Deal May 2015 #6

That would be idea wouldn't it? Avalux May 2015 #14

The only time I let things slide is trolls Prism May 2015 #7

Thanks for that, Avalux. The jury system is broken. Hekate May 2015 #10

Admin disagree Capt. Obvious May 2015 #11

I actually like the system... Avalux May 2015 #17

The first rule of jury duty is there are no rules. geek tragedy May 2015 #12

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #13

Yes I read that. Avalux May 2015 #16

Skinner has also repeatedly written "You take your chances." Gormy Cuss May 2015 #20

I disagree. NaturalHigh May 2015 #22

Sorry, it didn't work that way. It wasn't perfect, Avalux May 2015 #23

Okay, I guess we just see it differently. NaturalHigh May 2015 #25

yes they were TransitJohn May 2015 #27

I can vouch for that dreamnightwind May 2015 #39

The issue wasn't who was moderating things Lithos May 2015 #44

Thanks for adding to this thread Lithos. Avalux May 2015 #57

Thanks! Lithos May 2015 #96

I do too. Avalux May 2015 #105

Fuck yeah it was! TransitJohn May 2015 #26

Was Stalin a moderator? Capt. Obvious May 2015 #29

No. TransitJohn May 2015 #31

Skinner needs to hire this guy to clean this place up. Elwood P Dowd May 2015 #28

A lot of good DUers have left or gone silent over crap like we have now Omaha Steve May 2015 #30

hear hear paulkienitz May 2015 #32

The mod system needed to have a few things fixed but they were fixable. The jury system isn't. stevenleser May 2015 #33

Heck ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #58

A cadre of mods getting direction from Skinner and EarlG have a much better chance of stevenleser May 2015 #107

I take my role as juror perhaps too seriously. arcane1 May 2015 #34

arcane1 was much more clear... SoapBox May 2015 #37

I'm sorry.... Avalux May 2015 #59

Serving on MIRT makes up for it somewhat arcane1 May 2015 #65

Well... SoapBox May 2015 #35

I would like to go bck to the admin days, I don't think skinner cares. I would volunteer to be one. Logical May 2015 #36

Possibly you don't understand that the Admins are 3 people who founded the site & own it. Hekate May 2015 #47

I see no problem at all with the contributors to the discussion handling the job. cherokeeprogressive May 2015 #38

I've noticed what you say regarding jury decisions. lpbk2713 May 2015 #41

I agree with your conclusion. Avalux May 2015 #60

I liked the old system and you guys did an excellent job 99.9% of the time. Cleita May 2015 #42

and don't forget, IRL jurors must deliberate before voting . Gormy Cuss May 2015 #56

I'm sure you're right about "on a whim" C Moon May 2015 #43

Yes, what we have here doesn't allow for discussion among jurors. Avalux May 2015 #62

I am convinced tha the practice of Jury nullificaton is alive and well at DU Agnosticsherbet May 2015 #45

I think that's how it should be. Avalux May 2015 #63

I served three terms... awoke_in_2003 May 2015 #46

I keep saying we should add moderators to review 3-4 and 4-3 Flying Squirrel May 2015 #48

Decisions on a whim? ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #49

That's really unfortunate. Avalux May 2015 #64

Agreed ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #87

I have a completely different perspective on the old mod system yardwork May 2015 #50

Thank you for your perspective. Avalux May 2015 #66

I liked the way the mods handled criticism of Jewish people. I think they understood the difference stevenleser May 2015 #112

Yeah some of us oldtimers remember the old moderation system and the inherent flaws in it. Rex May 2015 #85

But one could envision that being fixable. We are stuck with a system that is not fixable stevenleser May 2015 #109

I think it's just a function of cliquishness that's hard to root out of human nature Prism May 2015 #117

This always seems to come up when someone's ox is being gored. zeemike May 2015 #51

Democracy, in any context, only works if the people are involved and take their role seriously. Avalux May 2015 #67

Ot maybe what you are seeing is that the majority are not as concerned zeemike May 2015 #100

Right, who cares about posts that are biased or hateful. Why would progressives care about that? stevenleser May 2015 #114

We are all biased in one way or the other. zeemike May 2015 #120

The jury system sucks. But a question for you: Buzz Clik May 2015 #52

No I'm not the jackwagon who did that to you, lol. Avalux May 2015 #69

Excellent question! Buzz Clik May 2015 #72

Thanks for sharing. Avalux May 2015 #74

70s English punk? Works for me. Buzz Clik May 2015 #79

LGBTers got hosed hard in the old system Prism May 2015 #53

I remember, and I'm happy about the positive changes here for LGBTers. Avalux May 2015 #70

Agreed Prism May 2015 #88

See my #109 above. nt stevenleser May 2015 #113

"Let the post stay. The other person deserves it." - Actually I agree ... progree May 2015 #54

Except 1.) you have no idea if person A's post was alerted on and passed the hide vote or is still seaglass May 2015 #83

If A. clearly starts the nastiness and B. responds in kind, I WILL NOT vote to Hide B. progree May 2015 #84

I heard you the first time. You're not the only one who thinks that way I just don't believe that seaglass May 2015 #90

I don't consider fairness a "game". progree May 2015 #92

It has nothing to do with fairness. When you are judging post B you have no idea what is happening seaglass May 2015 #93

What is happening to Post A is a separate issue. That is one that, in my example, began the progree May 2015 #95

We disagree about what would lead to a more civil DU. n/t seaglass May 2015 #98

And we also disagree with what would lead to a more fair DU. n/t progree May 2015 #99

No, you haven't made a case for fairness so I haven't disagreed. n/t seaglass May 2015 #101

You haven't made any case for fairness at all. Whatever. n/t. progree May 2015 #102

It is up to DUers to create the community standards they want. Also, 1 post must be the first hidden uppityperson May 2015 #55

Great take on a flame war. Avalux May 2015 #71

Yes. Or they outright say they are doing it for reasons of treestar May 2015 #61

That wasn't right. Avalux May 2015 #73

Great post! And then there's always "Voting to leave, let MIRT take care of this..." Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #68

How is MIRT expected so see anything unless the post is hidden?! progree May 2015 #82

Having served several terms on MIRT, I find that very frustrating... Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #86

Yup. I wonder why the forum hosts aren't notified of these majority Leave It posts progree May 2015 #91

I do see your point, since it is tough to contact MIRT directly Rhiannon12866 May 2015 #94

Thanks much. That's good to know. nm progree May 2015 #97

There were just as many complaints about moderator decisions in DU2 Nye Bevan May 2015 #75

so true DonCoquixote May 2015 #76

Maybe we are just a grand experiment by the admins. Avalux May 2015 #80

I can sincerely think that DonCoquixote May 2015 #81

The discriminatory language and dog whistles that do not get hidden are the worst consequence of the stevenleser May 2015 #116

I was a mod way back when as well dlwickham May 2015 #77

That's may be part of it at least. Avalux May 2015 #104

then don't serve dlwickham May 2015 #119

Imagine a jury in a courtroom that has received minimal instructions... stevenleser May 2015 #118

I'm just curious Bobbie Jo May 2015 #89

Interesting. I think someone would need to monitor jury comments. Avalux May 2015 #103

I prefer the new system Starry Messenger May 2015 #106

If they went back to mods i would n8t become one. hrmjustin May 2015 #108

I'm fairly happy with the way things are. I visit other sites and it's either a free-for-all or.. BlueJazz May 2015 #110

Fellow old school mod. I so agree. kcr May 2015 #111

Another old-time mod agreeing--some jurors won't ever vote to hide Maeve May 2015 #128

The answer to you question is yes. Many of us do act like children. For many the internet liberal_at_heart May 2015 #115

I like the jury system. I think its much more fair. You get the board you want. nt Joe the Revelator May 2015 #121

I have never understood ... NanceGreggs May 2015 #122

+1 Hekate May 2015 #125

I would never consider Go Vols May 2015 #123

Hey...were you the one who locked my post in Jan 2005? nt Laura PourMeADrink May 2015 #124

This is DU...anything goes, people with fragile feelings aren't really progressive. ileus May 2015 #126

The thing is different people take this forum with different degrees of seriousness. totodeinhere May 2015 #129

Trolls can and have been jurors. I don't think they were mods very often Number23 May 2015 #130