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Scootaloo

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82. it didn't work out that way in 2008.

Sat May 30, 2015, 02:18 AM

May 2015

In fact enthusiasm for Clinton probably peaked sometime in the autumn of 2007, because after Super Tuesday, Barack Obama was just taking it all home and Clinton's only hope was winning over delegates from dropout candidates. Which didn't work out for her.

her numbers now are mostly what they are because she's spent the last eight years as the presumed nominee. of course there are plenty of people who support her for where she stands, her positions and the like. But the reality is that the media - both professional and amateur - has had her in the front of the pack for eight times as long as the actual campaign will last. And that has absolutely had an impact - it's super-easy to win a race when you're the only person running, after all.

Once it gets down to the caucuses, however, all the problems that circled around Clinton in 2008 will still be there, and the enthusiasm will wane just the same. maybe even more sharply since you know, she's been campaigning (whether she knew it or not...) for eight years, and burnout is a thing.

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We must be vigilant. hrmjustin May 2015 #8

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That well may be true. Paka May 2015 #75

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it didn't work out that way in 2008. Scootaloo May 2015 #82

Well.. there was the Obama factor in 2008. DCBob May 2015 #86

Describe for me the "Obama Factor." Scootaloo May 2015 #87

Where you living under a rock back then?? DCBob May 2015 #89

No, I wanted a description of what you were talking about Scootaloo May 2015 #90

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CA hasn't been in play since 1988./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #32

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I meant no offense at all. I have been there before - supported someone Laura PourMeADrink May 2015 #57

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I was only at the state convention. herding cats May 2015 #69

So true about focusing on the house and senate ! But - when we had everyone Laura PourMeADrink May 2015 #71

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Julian Castro! sheshe2 May 2015 #79

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Do you know any other Democrats who is beating his or her presumptive GOP opponents by 4-18 points? DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #77

then what's the OP worried about? nt daredtowork May 2015 #78

I don't know about worry but concern is always good. It wards off hubris and overconfidence. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #80

this thread is going to the trash can. liberal_at_heart May 2015 #74

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After I read your OP a couple of times I saw the whimsical nature of it. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #96

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