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BainsBane

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172. If you aren't going to explain your position

Reply to beam me up scottie (Reply #167)

Sat May 30, 2015, 05:23 AM

May 2015

It's hardly persuasive. Whatever, I don't really give a shit. You obviously can't articulate a point and what you consider offensive doesn't interest me.

Yeah, it's truly awful of me not to claim I know what is good for people of color. It's awful for me to point out that they will demonstrate that through their votes. If I weren't offensive, I would tell them they are too uniformed or ignorant to know who they should vote for, that they aren't as smart as the white members of the DU keyboard intelligentsia. I could even argue that "corporations" had planted women and people of color in the Democratic party to subvert it from its true mission. I could post an OP arguing against diversity, that the entire concept was a neoliberal plot. I could post a speech by a former Klansman and then defend the Klan because the person was critical of a politician not very popular around here. That's what passes for non-offensive among the peanut gallery here. But noting that people will show who best speaks to their issues by their votes, that's offensive.

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How you can tell if Sanders speaks to the concerns of people of color [View all] BainsBane May 2015 OP

You didn't get the memo? Only corporatists and neoliberals care about race anymore. DanTex May 2015 #1

Yeah, I got that memo BainsBane May 2015 #3

Nobody said that. Ken Burch May 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author DanTex May 2015 #121

Make clear you're not talking about my OP BainsBane May 2015 #160

Oops, sorry, got confused about where I was posting. I'll self-delete. DanTex May 2015 #186

Nobody said that the concept of diversity was itself neoliberal. Ken Burch May 2015 #244

You are incorrect BainsBane May 2015 #245

I read the article...it spoke only of the use of "diversity" as a fig leaf by corporate power Ken Burch May 2015 #249

Know what? BainsBane May 2015 #257

I stand corrected as to your neutrality in the race at this point. Sorry. Ken Burch May 2015 #259

I don't think you were corrected. There is no hint of neutrality with that person. cui bono May 2015 #271

It's in the sig line on her posts. Small print, but its there. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #272

There's also people claiming to be Sanders supporters who do nothing but question him cui bono May 2015 #273

True, but Bain isn't in that category. Ken Burch May 2015 #275

I don't agree after the posts I've seen. Particularly this OP and replies within it cui bono May 2015 #277

She's been harsh, but I don't think she's part of the orchestrated smear campaign. Ken Burch May 2015 #278

I wasn't referring to that article at all. I had never read it. Ken Burch May 2015 #250

The OP is partly referring to this previous post, which says exactly that. DanTex May 2015 #188

I hadn't read that OP when I wrote mine. Ken Burch May 2015 #243

Fair enough. And you bring up some good points. However... DanTex May 2015 #253

I was fully expecting her to kick off her campaign in exactly that way- Ken Burch May 2015 #256

Force Bernie out of the campaign? BainsBane May 2015 #190

No, only corporatists neoliberals USE race to divide the Democratic Party. /nt Marr May 2015 #246

Who has insisted that people of color have no right to question el_bryanto May 2015 #2

Look for the threads expressing outrage over BainsBane May 2015 #4

Hillary camp knows they are unlikely to get the votes of the progressive base NorthCarolina May 2015 #10

That doesn't respond to my OP either BainsBane May 2015 #11

You see speaking to the concerns of women, poc, LGBT gollygee May 2015 #15

Go back and read the post again. HILLARY INC is trying to Exilednight May 2015 #18

He says that HRC is trying to marginalize "the progressive base" gollygee May 2015 #20

First thing to correct: you added LGBT, not him. Second: don't confuse Exilednight May 2015 #29

All the more reason to avoid treating them like shit. BainsBane May 2015 #30

I agree. Hillary shouldn't be treating people like that in an attempt to marginalize them. Exilednight May 2015 #35

Are you saying Clinton shouldn't seek to appeal to people of color? BainsBane May 2015 #36

My point is simple: it's fine for her to court PoC, but not at the expense of others. Just because Exilednight May 2015 #40

Her approach is the same as all Democrats have done BainsBane May 2015 #41

A lot of that made absolutely no sense. You lost me when you started Exilednight May 2015 #47

No, I didn't make a thread to attack him BainsBane May 2015 #52

We both know HRC would fight like hell against a living wage, though. Ken Burch May 2015 #252

No, I do not know that BainsBane May 2015 #258

It's never legitimate for the more-conservative candidate to claim to care more about those groups Ken Burch May 2015 #251

It's not Hillary doing it, Exilednight Scootaloo May 2015 #56

You like her just fine? BainsBane May 2015 #177

Interesting word choices and framing. Scootaloo May 2015 #183

Yeah, like every response to me in the past month BainsBane May 2015 #185

You mean the month you've spent shit-talking and harassing people? Scootaloo May 2015 #187

All of that is done dozens of times everyday BainsBane May 2015 #192

No, I'm afraid it's not. Scootaloo May 2015 #222

+1000. Marr May 2015 #248

Wow. NCTraveler May 2015 #16

You know, the second-class votes. BainsBane May 2015 #21

"You mean the base? They aren't progressive?" workinclasszero May 2015 #193

As Bains has pointed out recently, "Bernie's supporters are his greatest liability". I sure as hell Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #279

Umm what? So "blacks, women, and latinos" are not part of the "progressive base"? DanTex May 2015 #17

In no way did I intend to imply that those groups are not progressives, NorthCarolina May 2015 #23

LOL. Well I guess someone else hacked into your account then. DanTex May 2015 #24

Only in your mind NorthCarolina May 2015 #27

she already has 87% black vote. how much peeling needs done? the issue is, can sanders PEEL any of seabeyond May 2015 #32

I think that's the point backwoodsbob May 2015 #179

Unless Hillary planned that optical fiasco of a "kickoff", Bernie's campaign seems to be "doing.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #280

good luck pushing that *fiasco* mem backwoodsbob May 2015 #282

Bernie's high watermark is about 20% - 23%. He took that from Elizabeth Warren. Bank on it! Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #284

and the numbers are climbing backwoodsbob May 2015 #287

You know what's really "amusing"? Trying to pretend that BS had some stratospheric bump from this: Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #289

then why are you guys so worried? backwoodsbob May 2015 #290

"Worry" is your word. Every candidate gets the same treatment at DU. Stick around. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #292

Huh? treestar May 2015 #31

you know, the economic populist. what sanders is running one. but hey... cant talk about politics seabeyond May 2015 #33

"Economic populist" doesn't equate to "only cares about straight white dudes". Ken Burch May 2015 #261

no. i do not have the "notion"... over the last 3 weeks you refuse to hear what i have seabeyond May 2015 #263

I've heard everything you've said and I've shown your fears were unfounded. Ken Burch May 2015 #264

you are not hearing if you suggest the belittling is merely in my head. i am the one that is seabeyond May 2015 #265

and obviously straight dlwickham May 2015 #54

Yeah because we all know that African Americans, woman, and Latinos are not progressive! hrmjustin May 2015 #34

Wtf Starry Messenger May 2015 #38

Hillary's strongest support is with Liberal Democrats. NYC Liberal May 2015 #62

#1. you wrongly presume that blacks, women and latinos are not progressive. KittyWampus May 2015 #197

I am sure your message is attractive to people of color dsc May 2015 #293

The fact that Sanders' commitment to Civil Rights is being questioned is fucking outrageous.. frylock May 2015 #78

"Sanders' commitment to Civil Rights is being questioned" i dont even think that is the conversation seabeyond May 2015 #84

No frylock, it's also based on his campaign not bothering to be inclusive at his opening Rally. KittyWampus May 2015 #198

I'm sorry, but I missed where he stated that PoC weren't welcome to the rally.. frylock May 2015 #207

No one said that they weren't welcome YoungDemCA May 2015 #254

Of course not, I know for a fact Bernie personally told poc to stay out of Vermont that day. beam me up scottie May 2015 #260

would you have them bussed in? frylock May 2015 #269

It's Vermont. By happenstance, not many of them live there. Ken Burch May 2015 #274

Until last month, most voters, let alone most AA voters, hadn't even heard of Bernie yet. Ken Burch May 2015 #130

Great post! Art_from_Ark May 2015 #194

I can give you names BainsBane May 2015 #161

Lol. This is ridiculous and baseless garble. morningfog May 2015 #5

Well that adds exactly nothing to the discussion BainsBane May 2015 #8

Adds as much as your OP. morningfog May 2015 #14

And in fewer words. HERVEPA May 2015 #108

no it is not. last night i was accused by 3 or 4 i called sander racist. never happened. ever. seabeyond May 2015 #19

Where? Link? NaturalHigh May 2015 #91

sanders is not a racist, OP by brother ivan. as a matter of fact, i think you were in the thread. seabeyond May 2015 #93

"i think you were in the thread" NaturalHigh May 2015 #133

It was my OP BrotherIvan May 2015 #140

Yes it was. beam me up scottie May 2015 #143

Never forget how a dedicated group of 20 posters can fight for what they truly believe in BrotherIvan May 2015 #144

Same 20 by any chance? NaturalHigh May 2015 #150

Well one poster who is on time out for too many hides recced them all! BrotherIvan May 2015 #154

They picked the wrong fight with the wrong people. beam me up scottie May 2015 #151

Well apparently I'm supposed to have amnesia over the 2008 campaign BrotherIvan May 2015 #153

That was ugly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #155

Apparently not all of the PoC on DU forgot either BrotherIvan May 2015 #157

I suppose they're tired. beam me up scottie May 2015 #159

I think that those that don't jump up and down screaming "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!" BrotherIvan May 2015 #163

I noticed that too. beam me up scottie May 2015 #166

Sadly, too few BrotherIvan May 2015 #168

G'nite, BrotherIvan. beam me up scottie May 2015 #169

Well, if 87% of us favor Hillary, it's not "amnesia", it's called forgiveness. While Bernie was... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #286

Yeah that turned into a real wing-ding. NaturalHigh May 2015 #146

I can't take credit for it BrotherIvan May 2015 #147

I saw that. Disgusting, no? NaturalHigh May 2015 #148

Oh no, apparently we all need to talk about it again BrotherIvan May 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #170

Juror #1 is spot on. beam me up scottie May 2015 #171

Wow, that's impressive BrotherIvan May 2015 #201

I can see you have an S key on your keyboard. There are 2 s's in Sanders. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #119

i am sure it is nefarious, arent you? just sure, i mean. really, sure...! seabeyond May 2015 #120

You sound a little paranoid. I wrote it off to laziness. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #126

ah. uh hu. seabeyond May 2015 #128

You're unique to be sure, but try this hypothesis: DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #131

"but try this hypothesis" no interest seabeyond May 2015 #132

I'm sure Bernie is more than willing to address all voters concerns. JaneyVee May 2015 #6

he is very eloquent and honest in his responses bigtree May 2015 #13

Good post. n/t tammywammy May 2015 #37

This right here JustAnotherGen May 2015 #77

so. since this is so obvious, wouldnt pro sanders embrace other suggesting maybe it is something to seabeyond May 2015 #87

I would hope so! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #115

absolutely. there is plenty of time. this is all just the beginning. who knows where it will go. nt seabeyond May 2015 #118

"a few white people feel entitled to tell African Americans ..." foo_bar May 2015 #7

How does that relate to my OP? BainsBane May 2015 #9

Double standard AgingAmerican May 2015 #74

Hillary is actively courting African Americans ismnotwasm May 2015 #12

You can't have social just with clintonomics. Exilednight May 2015 #22

Yes, because we forgot about 2008 BrotherIvan May 2015 #135

Baine, Baine, I told you. There are POC here who have not forgotten Hillary's racist-tinged campaign of 200 Bonobo May 2015 #25

Go read number 23's thread in the AA group BainsBane May 2015 #26

Wow, you are really a piece of work. nt Bonobo May 2015 #28

not really, since one can only vote for one candidate fishwax May 2015 #39

Who Is The Person Of Color Running This Time ??? WillyT May 2015 #42

Willy, I'm discussing voters, American citizens BainsBane May 2015 #43

I Hear Ya... And I Agree In Many Respects... Maybe This All Got Off On The Wrong Foot By... WillyT May 2015 #51

"Somebody calling Sanders a racist. " except no one did. isnt that even more foolish for so many seabeyond May 2015 #53

Who called Sanders a racist? BainsBane May 2015 #55

And I'm Certainly Not Saying You Did... But Look Around GD... Seems Many Think That Happened... WillyT May 2015 #57

I see people claiming someone did BainsBane May 2015 #58

so you repeat lies? Seriously? You've been hoodwinked, lol. bettyellen May 2015 #89

The posts do not exist, so you don't have a point. bettyellen May 2015 #88

you cannot believe the number of pro sanders saying they didnt see it, but had to be true cause seabeyond May 2015 #92

Bernie's stances on every major issue are out there for anyone who is curious enough to look 'em up. peecoolyour May 2015 #44

you do get he is way behind and he is actively looking to gain votes. it really is not about, seabeyond May 2015 #45

How can they not get that? BainsBane May 2015 #48

" It's truly bizarre." yes it is. nt seabeyond May 2015 #50

It's early BainsBane May 2015 #46

I don't recall him talking about abortion and contraception, either. So I'm a bit miffed libdem4life May 2015 #49

You seem to miss the point BainsBane May 2015 #59

Sorry, but no. This is an acceptance speech...not a policy platform. And, the Blacks libdem4life May 2015 #66

Clearly one is more important BainsBane May 2015 #67

This OP is illustrative of a the cliche, "grasping for straws". Zorra May 2015 #60

Your response is an illustration BainsBane May 2015 #61

Says you.. trying to change the subject. What the OP pointed out is real whether you acknowledge or Cha May 2015 #65

It would be real if it was written after Bernie was offically campaigning for three months Zorra May 2015 #152

It's fair now. many AAs have spoken out about his kick off.. not just us.. this is very important Cha May 2015 #164

Bernie speaks to my concerns about as well as any major politician in the mix for decades. TheKentuckian May 2015 #63

Just kinda what I was saying on another thread.. Cha May 2015 #64

Your privilege needs a hefty calling out Prism May 2015 #68

I never claimed to speak for "minorities" BainsBane May 2015 #69

You do it all the time Prism May 2015 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #73

Bullshit BainsBane May 2015 #75

What an interesting variety of nonsense. And you again asserted your privilege. Prism May 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #81

You did it again! Prism May 2015 #83

That was so much fun to read. U4ikLefty May 2015 #281

Wonderful imagery. AtomicKitten May 2015 #283

Thank you Fumesucker May 2015 #288

That first sentence is precisely the meaning of my post. Exactly BainsBane May 2015 #96

I'll try to explain this one more time Prism May 2015 #109

"What's obnoxious is when the nonminority picks the side that fits neatly" or 87% AA support seabeyond May 2015 #116

I don't know how your subject position relates to this discussion BainsBane May 2015 #184

You are my new hero. beam me up scottie May 2015 #85

You'll note that members of the African American group don't share that view BainsBane May 2015 #97

Stop using posts from poc as cover for your mistakes. beam me up scottie May 2015 #123

What mistake? BainsBane May 2015 #165

And you just keep going on and on about your little "research" project. beam me up scottie May 2015 #167

If you aren't going to explain your position BainsBane May 2015 #172

Prism said everything that needed to be said. beam me up scottie May 2015 #173

Okay, next time I'll be sure to post BainsBane May 2015 #180

Ok. beam me up scottie May 2015 #181

Yes, we do BrotherIvan May 2015 #141

Do you post in there? BainsBane May 2015 #174

Omg BrotherIvan May 2015 #202

WOW! +infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #102

So you showed that you don't LostOne4Ever May 2015 #110

"BTW: They are not "research." Those posters are people." beam me up scottie May 2015 #112

Thank you, Prism, that was a superb post. mr blur May 2015 #95

I did some research on this subject BainsBane May 2015 #99

By my count, that's two people BrotherIvan May 2015 #156

Three BainsBane May 2015 #162

Bravo! whatchamacallit May 2015 #98

See this BainsBane May 2015 #100

these people are still feeding the lie someone called sanders a racist. you think they are gonna seabeyond May 2015 #103

This "these people" hasn't claimed anyone said Sanders is a racist whatchamacallit May 2015 #105

What's going to happen if POC start supporting Sanders in number, whatchamacallit May 2015 #104

then it will inevitably mean sanders is talking to them. cool. that works for me. work for you? nt seabeyond May 2015 #106

Of course it works for me whatchamacallit May 2015 #107

you dont think sanders is not sitting looking at the numbers, strategizing? or clinton. or omallery? seabeyond May 2015 #114

People are free to scrutinize Bernie Sanders in any regard they like whatchamacallit May 2015 #124

mmm, then i guess that would be people that insist we are calling sanders a racist, when in fact seabeyond May 2015 #125

It's one thing to simply ask whatchamacallit May 2015 #127

the conversation has been going on for a month. wasnt out of the blue. i have/was accused of the seabeyond May 2015 #129

I have no idea what you're trying to say in that reply... NaturalHigh May 2015 #142

Then we will know he is effectively speaking to their concerns BainsBane May 2015 #158

privilege needs strong calling out Lordquinton May 2015 #122

Where does the OP say Bernie has a problem with race? BainsBane May 2015 #176

Bravo. You have said it all. n/t QC May 2015 #134

I L.O.V.E. YOU BrotherIvan May 2015 #139

By all means Prism May 2015 #195

I have actually learned a lot from your posts BrotherIvan May 2015 #241

I've learned a lot from you in kind Prism May 2015 #242

Are you speaking on behalf of black people when you tell another they boston bean May 2015 #189

This ovation apparently only has standing room Scootaloo May 2015 #191

Right?! Prism May 2015 #196

As Homer Simpson observed, "Oh, everything looks bad if you remember it." QC May 2015 #206

I thought that my lower jaw was going to meet my upper jaw sometime later today BrotherIvan May 2015 #221

President Obama said LGBTers are ok Prism May 2015 #240

I, for one African-American member of this boar/community ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #262

Great reply Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #285

It's a made up 'issue' AgingAmerican May 2015 #71

it most certainly is. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #79

I must be a pretty shitty writer BainsBane May 2015 #178

i have decided this is just another stance to shut certain people up. if they speak, accuse them of seabeyond May 2015 #72

The only people I've ever heard about that were, 'too important to question' Rex May 2015 #80

Manufactured outrage AgingAmerican May 2015 #82

Dear heavens! Another POC issues of concern thread.....without...... CANDO May 2015 #86

This thread answers the question nicely hifiguy May 2015 #90

My point is simple BainsBane May 2015 #101

Yes. It is. Or simplistic rather. nt Bonobo May 2015 #138

No memo here. I will vote for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. CTyankee May 2015 #111

I can tell because he HAS voted (not just talked) in favor of concerns of people of color. CTyankee May 2015 #113

You ruffled some feathers and upset some folks. Probably not a bad thing Number23 May 2015 #136

Awesome Prism May 2015 #216

Did someting in my post upset you? Number23 May 2015 #218

Nope Prism May 2015 #220

Oh, my gracious that feeling is so COMPLETELY 100% mutual Number23 May 2015 #224

=) n/t Prism May 2015 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #226

Please don't go there! Please delete your post. That will NOT be happening. Not with me Number23 May 2015 #229

Done BainsBane May 2015 #231

God bless you. Seriously. Number23 May 2015 #233

Assuming a lot of things that may be true. Bonobo May 2015 #137

So if the election doesn't go the way you want BainsBane May 2015 #182

From the urban dictionary BrotherIvan May 2015 #145

Care to point out where I did that? BainsBane May 2015 #175

And as you linked, some African American members of DU made threads discussing it BrotherIvan May 2015 #203

bigtree's thread was after mine BainsBane May 2015 #213

thanks for finding the definition of what many Sanders supporters on DU are doing! KittyWampus May 2015 #199

And then, you proceed to engage in it BrotherIvan May 2015 #200

But didn't you post in the Bernie Sanders forum that Bernie's stance on race needs to be discussed? Number23 May 2015 #205

In that thread we did discuss it, from a place of honesty BrotherIvan May 2015 #208

many of us seeing it thru the eyes of women. we too are part of social justice. just sayin'. nt seabeyond May 2015 #209

This thread is titled "How you can tell if Sanders speaks to the concerns of people of color" BrotherIvan May 2015 #210

i do not need an ass chewing. reading your post, what you said, i felt the right to be able to seabeyond May 2015 #211

And yet you refuse to go watch a video I sent you a link to and linked to in posts to you cui bono May 2015 #276

Bain's comments are coming from what she's read in the AA forum. There are not many of us here Number23 May 2015 #212

I thought it was a liberal trait too BrotherIvan May 2015 #215

Note, I am not among those BainsBane May 2015 #219

The reason the number of people of color has dwindled over the years is because of the numerous Number23 May 2015 #223

I remember that thread and that is always how I think of you, with gratitude BrotherIvan May 2015 #238

I'm sorry I violated your trust that way BainsBane May 2015 #217

It's up to you. I wish you had let us know that you were going to do that before you did Number23 May 2015 #225

I didn't plan it in advance BainsBane May 2015 #228

I would imagine Bernie will get a substantial African American vote Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #204

He may well BainsBane May 2015 #214

Phony flame issue meme and red herring much on this board, BB? leveymg May 2015 #230

or flop sweat from DLCers who are afraid the rest of us are seeing through their bullhshit BEFORE yurbud May 2015 #232

Oh, right BainsBane May 2015 #234

what a straw man. by your definition, Ann Coulter & Ben Carson are progressive because of their yurbud May 2015 #266

If we learned anything from '08, it's that HRC's campaign is tolerant of leveymg May 2015 #235

Not Hillary's campaign here BainsBane May 2015 #237

Auxillary or Home Guard? leveymg May 2015 #239

Oh, my. You don't remember BainsBane May 2015 #247

You' 'll have to be more specific leveymg May 2015 #267

Here it is BainsBane May 2015 #291

How you can tell if Clinton speaks to the concerns of Wall St? HooptieWagon May 2015 #236

FFS, the adult unemployment rate in Watts, CA right now hovers at around KingCharlemagne May 2015 #255

"Or would you pivot from race to gender or sexual orientation in a desperate effort..." beam me up scottie May 2015 #268

No one has said anything you just stated. Ridiculous OP. Strawman argument. cui bono May 2015 #270