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Jackpine Radical

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3. That particular idea, regardless of its source,

Sat May 30, 2015, 12:43 PM

May 2015

is an excellent one. Poverty among the elderly has been an age-old problem (no pun intended, of course), only partly ameliorated by SS, and grossly intensified by the demise of the old defined-benefit retirement plans.

Combine it with a guaranteed minimum income and universal health care, and you would alleviate one helluva lot of misery in our society.

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If an increase in minimum wage sounds good, would a minimum pension sound good also? [View all] Thinkingabout May 2015 OP

Reeks of privatizing social security. n/t Exilednight May 2015 #1

They are proposing reforming the Social Security so it goes past 2036, no this is separate. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

No it isn't. It is a key component. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #15

Another way HassleCat May 2015 #2

That particular idea, regardless of its source, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #3

See post 34. PETRUS May 2015 #35

I see what you mean (re: #34). Jackpine Radical May 2015 #38

Thanks for reading! PETRUS May 2015 #44

That would sorta explain why I mistook the dogwhistle for English. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #71

Do you have a link to said proposal? Exilednight May 2015 #4

Sure Thinkingabout May 2015 #6

Pension? DeadLetterOffice May 2015 #5

Then this would be great to accomplish for the next generation. Thinkingabout May 2015 #8

I have a pension, Social Security, that is supposed to keep up with the cost of living, Cleita May 2015 #9

With the low wages it would be hard for our younger generations to amass enough money to put Thinkingabout May 2015 #12

Actually, it's hard anyway, even if you get a living wage, unless you were born with a trust fund. Cleita May 2015 #16

Interest rates is not going to even keep up with the times. At one time it looked good but the Thinkingabout May 2015 #26

How about letting the Gov't step in & divert a couple of F-35s into benefits for the elderly? Jackpine Radical May 2015 #39

I am not against halting wasteful spending on programs and I know we have to help ourselves also. Thinkingabout May 2015 #41

They have zero good ideas. If something they Warren Stupidity May 2015 #10

Now come on, BTW they are for minimum wage increases, guess this matches up with our candidates also Thinkingabout May 2015 #11

In the case at hand this proposal is part of Warren Stupidity May 2015 #14

Privatized Social Security, which is what many of them want, has been a failure Cleita May 2015 #18

They are proposing to reform Social Security also, the minimum pension would be in addtion. Thinkingabout May 2015 #19

Not much, just improving it for the 21st century. It actually has worked fine for the 70+ Cleita May 2015 #22

I don't see the current candidates proposing this, maybe they should jump on board with minimun Thinkingabout May 2015 #23

Bernie Sanders is. He wants to raise it across the board and raise the cap to pay for it. eom Cleita May 2015 #25

I saw where he wants to raise the cap for social security but not a minimum pension, this would be Thinkingabout May 2015 #27

Other pensions are private and would have little to do with the government other Cleita May 2015 #30

I know about pensions, how many people do you know is working for a company ho still has a pension? Thinkingabout May 2015 #40

I would rather a robust Social Security that people can rely on to retire. Cleita May 2015 #49

I will continue to push for pensions and keeping Social Security. Thinkingabout May 2015 #50

You're pushing for massive cuts. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #61

What cuts? Thinkingabout May 2015 #62

What do you think adding years to full eligibility is? A raise? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #73

SS is "a minimum pension". But Wall Street can't rake billions off the top so they hate it. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #60

Need proof on this claim Thinkingabout May 2015 #64

Need proof on what? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #72

How about a maximum wage? SheilaT May 2015 #13

You mean taxing rich billionaires 100% of their income after they achieve a certain Cleita May 2015 #17

The vast majority of us *do* have a minimum pension: Zero. To hell with the 3rd Way. nt Romulox May 2015 #20

Okay, so you would refuse the minumum pension? Thinkingabout May 2015 #21

The problem is not the *amount* of our pensions. MOST OF US DON'T HAVE PENSIONS AT ALL. Romulox May 2015 #24

I don't see a lot of corporate shills advocating for minimum pensions. If most do not have pensions Thinkingabout May 2015 #28

That's their schtick: soothing words from the Left, but policies from the Right. Romulox May 2015 #29

The negative post against minimum pensions is the RW thinking. They like to see folks struggle. Thinkingabout May 2015 #43

PEOPLE. IN. AMERICA. DON'T. GET. PENSIONS. ANYMORE. Romulox May 2015 #45

Yes there are still people getting pensions. Which RW talk show has said there are not any pensions Thinkingabout May 2015 #47

Gibberish. Needless to say, you've swayed exactly no one here, today. nt Romulox May 2015 #48

For good reason Major Nikon May 2015 #66

Wall Street would orgasm over the opportunity to churn 100M small accounts. nt. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #52

The Third Way is for the middle class working folks? Bohunk68 May 2015 #58

I just read it. It's a watered down 401k. My current employer would love this third way piece of Exilednight May 2015 #31

Maybe you woud rather opt out but others wold like to see this happen. Thinkingabout May 2015 #33

I would rather strengthen Social Security. NaturalHigh May 2015 #32

Why not have both. Unless you have saved up lots of money you will need extra money Thinkingabout May 2015 #36

How about increasing benefits instead of cutting them? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #53

Who is trying to cut the benefits? Right now there is a COLA which gives raises. Thinkingabout May 2015 #56

The COLA keeps the government from inflating its way out of its obligations. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #59

We can file this under "false advertising." PETRUS May 2015 #34

Have you accumulated a big nest egg for your retirement? If not you will see the benefit when you Thinkingabout May 2015 #37

Said reforms Third Way proposes are nothing but cuts. PETRUS May 2015 #42

I will face this straight forward, in 2036 Social Security funds will be depleted, no more funds Thinkingabout May 2015 #46

You've stated something that is false. PETRUS May 2015 #51

Oh, it would be better to see if social security will fail rather than making changes to keep it Thinkingabout May 2015 #54

Bullshit, your "reform" was a scam to cut benefits while doubling contributions and now the same TheKentuckian May 2015 #57

You can throw out any words you want, it does not make your facts true. Thinkingabout May 2015 #75

No, it being true makes them true. You deny Reagan's "reform" didn't raise the retirement age for TheKentuckian May 2015 #78

Deny the reform did not raise the retirement age from 65 to 67? Thinkingabout May 2015 #80

Then what facts are you saying aren't true? I know I'm in a tedious debate when the other person TheKentuckian May 2015 #81

You got off on the wrong road, I know about the facts of the reform of raising Thinkingabout May 2015 #82

I have not made up anything, you said I had my facts wrong and since those were the only facts TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #83

That is such a distortion of what I wrote, I can only imagine your misreading was deliberate. PETRUS May 2015 #63

What is your plan to keep Social Security solvent? Thinkingabout May 2015 #65

I've already provided that information. PETRUS May 2015 #67

You said raise taxes, if you are taliking about increasing the max, it would Thinkingabout May 2015 #68

Actually, I didn't say that; I offered a number of suggestions. PETRUS May 2015 #69

Dishonest bullshit Cal Carpenter May 2015 #74

A new scam to fuel the casino from the same old scammers. TheKentuckian May 2015 #55

Thread winner: PETRUS Zenlitened May 2015 #70

Seconded! truebluegreen May 2015 #77

Thirded! Starry Messenger May 2015 #79

You mean like in Norway? pangaia May 2015 #76