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Ken Burch

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256. I was fully expecting her to kick off her campaign in exactly that way-

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:48 PM

May 2015

With Nixon rally-like rows of fascist and almost entirely white cops lined up behind her the way Bill used to have(when he used to gloat about murdering black people...sorry, I mean supporting the death penalty, which is the same thing). I was expecting HRC supporters to defend that because she was "pro-choice&quot as though no other Dem candidate is and as though that made the conservatism on the other issues no biggie, like we were told in the Nineties) and because we supposedly have to look just as psychotic on "Law 'n Order" as the other parties.

HRC was party to betrayal after betrayal on anti-oppression issues, yet she is given a total pass on that history by those who claim Bernie "doesn't care". Can you not see the manifest unfairness in that?

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How you can tell if Sanders speaks to the concerns of people of color [View all] BainsBane May 2015 OP

You didn't get the memo? Only corporatists and neoliberals care about race anymore. DanTex May 2015 #1

Yeah, I got that memo BainsBane May 2015 #3

Nobody said that. Ken Burch May 2015 #117

This message was self-deleted by its author DanTex May 2015 #121

Make clear you're not talking about my OP BainsBane May 2015 #160

Oops, sorry, got confused about where I was posting. I'll self-delete. DanTex May 2015 #186

Nobody said that the concept of diversity was itself neoliberal. Ken Burch May 2015 #244

You are incorrect BainsBane May 2015 #245

I read the article...it spoke only of the use of "diversity" as a fig leaf by corporate power Ken Burch May 2015 #249

Know what? BainsBane May 2015 #257

I stand corrected as to your neutrality in the race at this point. Sorry. Ken Burch May 2015 #259

I don't think you were corrected. There is no hint of neutrality with that person. cui bono May 2015 #271

It's in the sig line on her posts. Small print, but its there. n/t. Ken Burch May 2015 #272

There's also people claiming to be Sanders supporters who do nothing but question him cui bono May 2015 #273

True, but Bain isn't in that category. Ken Burch May 2015 #275

I don't agree after the posts I've seen. Particularly this OP and replies within it cui bono May 2015 #277

She's been harsh, but I don't think she's part of the orchestrated smear campaign. Ken Burch May 2015 #278

I wasn't referring to that article at all. I had never read it. Ken Burch May 2015 #250

The OP is partly referring to this previous post, which says exactly that. DanTex May 2015 #188

I hadn't read that OP when I wrote mine. Ken Burch May 2015 #243

Fair enough. And you bring up some good points. However... DanTex May 2015 #253

I was fully expecting her to kick off her campaign in exactly that way- Ken Burch May 2015 #256

Force Bernie out of the campaign? BainsBane May 2015 #190

No, only corporatists neoliberals USE race to divide the Democratic Party. /nt Marr May 2015 #246

Who has insisted that people of color have no right to question el_bryanto May 2015 #2

Look for the threads expressing outrage over BainsBane May 2015 #4

Hillary camp knows they are unlikely to get the votes of the progressive base NorthCarolina May 2015 #10

That doesn't respond to my OP either BainsBane May 2015 #11

You see speaking to the concerns of women, poc, LGBT gollygee May 2015 #15

Go back and read the post again. HILLARY INC is trying to Exilednight May 2015 #18

He says that HRC is trying to marginalize "the progressive base" gollygee May 2015 #20

First thing to correct: you added LGBT, not him. Second: don't confuse Exilednight May 2015 #29

All the more reason to avoid treating them like shit. BainsBane May 2015 #30

I agree. Hillary shouldn't be treating people like that in an attempt to marginalize them. Exilednight May 2015 #35

Are you saying Clinton shouldn't seek to appeal to people of color? BainsBane May 2015 #36

My point is simple: it's fine for her to court PoC, but not at the expense of others. Just because Exilednight May 2015 #40

Her approach is the same as all Democrats have done BainsBane May 2015 #41

A lot of that made absolutely no sense. You lost me when you started Exilednight May 2015 #47

No, I didn't make a thread to attack him BainsBane May 2015 #52

We both know HRC would fight like hell against a living wage, though. Ken Burch May 2015 #252

No, I do not know that BainsBane May 2015 #258

It's never legitimate for the more-conservative candidate to claim to care more about those groups Ken Burch May 2015 #251

It's not Hillary doing it, Exilednight Scootaloo May 2015 #56

You like her just fine? BainsBane May 2015 #177

Interesting word choices and framing. Scootaloo May 2015 #183

Yeah, like every response to me in the past month BainsBane May 2015 #185

You mean the month you've spent shit-talking and harassing people? Scootaloo May 2015 #187

All of that is done dozens of times everyday BainsBane May 2015 #192

No, I'm afraid it's not. Scootaloo May 2015 #222

+1000. Marr May 2015 #248

Wow. NCTraveler May 2015 #16

You know, the second-class votes. BainsBane May 2015 #21

"You mean the base? They aren't progressive?" workinclasszero May 2015 #193

As Bains has pointed out recently, "Bernie's supporters are his greatest liability". I sure as hell Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #279

Umm what? So "blacks, women, and latinos" are not part of the "progressive base"? DanTex May 2015 #17

In no way did I intend to imply that those groups are not progressives, NorthCarolina May 2015 #23

LOL. Well I guess someone else hacked into your account then. DanTex May 2015 #24

Only in your mind NorthCarolina May 2015 #27

she already has 87% black vote. how much peeling needs done? the issue is, can sanders PEEL any of seabeyond May 2015 #32

I think that's the point backwoodsbob May 2015 #179

Unless Hillary planned that optical fiasco of a "kickoff", Bernie's campaign seems to be "doing.... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #280

good luck pushing that *fiasco* mem backwoodsbob May 2015 #282

Bernie's high watermark is about 20% - 23%. He took that from Elizabeth Warren. Bank on it! Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #284

and the numbers are climbing backwoodsbob May 2015 #287

You know what's really "amusing"? Trying to pretend that BS had some stratospheric bump from this: Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #289

then why are you guys so worried? backwoodsbob May 2015 #290

"Worry" is your word. Every candidate gets the same treatment at DU. Stick around. Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #292

Huh? treestar May 2015 #31

you know, the economic populist. what sanders is running one. but hey... cant talk about politics seabeyond May 2015 #33

"Economic populist" doesn't equate to "only cares about straight white dudes". Ken Burch May 2015 #261

no. i do not have the "notion"... over the last 3 weeks you refuse to hear what i have seabeyond May 2015 #263

I've heard everything you've said and I've shown your fears were unfounded. Ken Burch May 2015 #264

you are not hearing if you suggest the belittling is merely in my head. i am the one that is seabeyond May 2015 #265

and obviously straight dlwickham May 2015 #54

Yeah because we all know that African Americans, woman, and Latinos are not progressive! hrmjustin May 2015 #34

Wtf Starry Messenger May 2015 #38

Hillary's strongest support is with Liberal Democrats. NYC Liberal May 2015 #62

#1. you wrongly presume that blacks, women and latinos are not progressive. KittyWampus May 2015 #197

I am sure your message is attractive to people of color dsc May 2015 #293

The fact that Sanders' commitment to Civil Rights is being questioned is fucking outrageous.. frylock May 2015 #78

"Sanders' commitment to Civil Rights is being questioned" i dont even think that is the conversation seabeyond May 2015 #84

No frylock, it's also based on his campaign not bothering to be inclusive at his opening Rally. KittyWampus May 2015 #198

I'm sorry, but I missed where he stated that PoC weren't welcome to the rally.. frylock May 2015 #207

No one said that they weren't welcome YoungDemCA May 2015 #254

Of course not, I know for a fact Bernie personally told poc to stay out of Vermont that day. beam me up scottie May 2015 #260

would you have them bussed in? frylock May 2015 #269

It's Vermont. By happenstance, not many of them live there. Ken Burch May 2015 #274

Until last month, most voters, let alone most AA voters, hadn't even heard of Bernie yet. Ken Burch May 2015 #130

Great post! Art_from_Ark May 2015 #194

I can give you names BainsBane May 2015 #161

Lol. This is ridiculous and baseless garble. morningfog May 2015 #5

Well that adds exactly nothing to the discussion BainsBane May 2015 #8

Adds as much as your OP. morningfog May 2015 #14

And in fewer words. HERVEPA May 2015 #108

no it is not. last night i was accused by 3 or 4 i called sander racist. never happened. ever. seabeyond May 2015 #19

Where? Link? NaturalHigh May 2015 #91

sanders is not a racist, OP by brother ivan. as a matter of fact, i think you were in the thread. seabeyond May 2015 #93

"i think you were in the thread" NaturalHigh May 2015 #133

It was my OP BrotherIvan May 2015 #140

Yes it was. beam me up scottie May 2015 #143

Never forget how a dedicated group of 20 posters can fight for what they truly believe in BrotherIvan May 2015 #144

Same 20 by any chance? NaturalHigh May 2015 #150

Well one poster who is on time out for too many hides recced them all! BrotherIvan May 2015 #154

They picked the wrong fight with the wrong people. beam me up scottie May 2015 #151

Well apparently I'm supposed to have amnesia over the 2008 campaign BrotherIvan May 2015 #153

That was ugly. beam me up scottie May 2015 #155

Apparently not all of the PoC on DU forgot either BrotherIvan May 2015 #157

I suppose they're tired. beam me up scottie May 2015 #159

I think that those that don't jump up and down screaming "LOOK AT MEEEEEE!" BrotherIvan May 2015 #163

I noticed that too. beam me up scottie May 2015 #166

Sadly, too few BrotherIvan May 2015 #168

G'nite, BrotherIvan. beam me up scottie May 2015 #169

Well, if 87% of us favor Hillary, it's not "amnesia", it's called forgiveness. While Bernie was... Tarheel_Dem May 2015 #286

Yeah that turned into a real wing-ding. NaturalHigh May 2015 #146

I can't take credit for it BrotherIvan May 2015 #147

I saw that. Disgusting, no? NaturalHigh May 2015 #148

Oh no, apparently we all need to talk about it again BrotherIvan May 2015 #149

This message was self-deleted by its author A-Schwarzenegger May 2015 #170

Juror #1 is spot on. beam me up scottie May 2015 #171

Wow, that's impressive BrotherIvan May 2015 #201

I can see you have an S key on your keyboard. There are 2 s's in Sanders. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #119

i am sure it is nefarious, arent you? just sure, i mean. really, sure...! seabeyond May 2015 #120

You sound a little paranoid. I wrote it off to laziness. DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #126

ah. uh hu. seabeyond May 2015 #128

You're unique to be sure, but try this hypothesis: DisgustipatedinCA May 2015 #131

"but try this hypothesis" no interest seabeyond May 2015 #132

I'm sure Bernie is more than willing to address all voters concerns. JaneyVee May 2015 #6

he is very eloquent and honest in his responses bigtree May 2015 #13

Good post. n/t tammywammy May 2015 #37

This right here JustAnotherGen May 2015 #77

so. since this is so obvious, wouldnt pro sanders embrace other suggesting maybe it is something to seabeyond May 2015 #87

I would hope so! JustAnotherGen May 2015 #115

absolutely. there is plenty of time. this is all just the beginning. who knows where it will go. nt seabeyond May 2015 #118

"a few white people feel entitled to tell African Americans ..." foo_bar May 2015 #7

How does that relate to my OP? BainsBane May 2015 #9

Double standard AgingAmerican May 2015 #74

Hillary is actively courting African Americans ismnotwasm May 2015 #12

You can't have social just with clintonomics. Exilednight May 2015 #22

Yes, because we forgot about 2008 BrotherIvan May 2015 #135

Baine, Baine, I told you. There are POC here who have not forgotten Hillary's racist-tinged campaign of 200 Bonobo May 2015 #25

Go read number 23's thread in the AA group BainsBane May 2015 #26

Wow, you are really a piece of work. nt Bonobo May 2015 #28

not really, since one can only vote for one candidate fishwax May 2015 #39

Who Is The Person Of Color Running This Time ??? WillyT May 2015 #42

Willy, I'm discussing voters, American citizens BainsBane May 2015 #43

I Hear Ya... And I Agree In Many Respects... Maybe This All Got Off On The Wrong Foot By... WillyT May 2015 #51

"Somebody calling Sanders a racist. " except no one did. isnt that even more foolish for so many seabeyond May 2015 #53

Who called Sanders a racist? BainsBane May 2015 #55

And I'm Certainly Not Saying You Did... But Look Around GD... Seems Many Think That Happened... WillyT May 2015 #57

I see people claiming someone did BainsBane May 2015 #58

so you repeat lies? Seriously? You've been hoodwinked, lol. bettyellen May 2015 #89

The posts do not exist, so you don't have a point. bettyellen May 2015 #88

you cannot believe the number of pro sanders saying they didnt see it, but had to be true cause seabeyond May 2015 #92

Bernie's stances on every major issue are out there for anyone who is curious enough to look 'em up. peecoolyour May 2015 #44

you do get he is way behind and he is actively looking to gain votes. it really is not about, seabeyond May 2015 #45

How can they not get that? BainsBane May 2015 #48

" It's truly bizarre." yes it is. nt seabeyond May 2015 #50

It's early BainsBane May 2015 #46

I don't recall him talking about abortion and contraception, either. So I'm a bit miffed libdem4life May 2015 #49

You seem to miss the point BainsBane May 2015 #59

Sorry, but no. This is an acceptance speech...not a policy platform. And, the Blacks libdem4life May 2015 #66

Clearly one is more important BainsBane May 2015 #67

This OP is illustrative of a the cliche, "grasping for straws". Zorra May 2015 #60

Your response is an illustration BainsBane May 2015 #61

Says you.. trying to change the subject. What the OP pointed out is real whether you acknowledge or Cha May 2015 #65

It would be real if it was written after Bernie was offically campaigning for three months Zorra May 2015 #152

It's fair now. many AAs have spoken out about his kick off.. not just us.. this is very important Cha May 2015 #164

Bernie speaks to my concerns about as well as any major politician in the mix for decades. TheKentuckian May 2015 #63

Just kinda what I was saying on another thread.. Cha May 2015 #64

Your privilege needs a hefty calling out Prism May 2015 #68

I never claimed to speak for "minorities" BainsBane May 2015 #69

You do it all the time Prism May 2015 #70

This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words May 2015 #73

Bullshit BainsBane May 2015 #75

What an interesting variety of nonsense. And you again asserted your privilege. Prism May 2015 #76

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #81

You did it again! Prism May 2015 #83

That was so much fun to read. U4ikLefty May 2015 #281

Wonderful imagery. AtomicKitten May 2015 #283

Thank you Fumesucker May 2015 #288

That first sentence is precisely the meaning of my post. Exactly BainsBane May 2015 #96

I'll try to explain this one more time Prism May 2015 #109

"What's obnoxious is when the nonminority picks the side that fits neatly" or 87% AA support seabeyond May 2015 #116

I don't know how your subject position relates to this discussion BainsBane May 2015 #184

You are my new hero. beam me up scottie May 2015 #85

You'll note that members of the African American group don't share that view BainsBane May 2015 #97

Stop using posts from poc as cover for your mistakes. beam me up scottie May 2015 #123

What mistake? BainsBane May 2015 #165

And you just keep going on and on about your little "research" project. beam me up scottie May 2015 #167

If you aren't going to explain your position BainsBane May 2015 #172

Prism said everything that needed to be said. beam me up scottie May 2015 #173

Okay, next time I'll be sure to post BainsBane May 2015 #180

Ok. beam me up scottie May 2015 #181

Yes, we do BrotherIvan May 2015 #141

Do you post in there? BainsBane May 2015 #174

Omg BrotherIvan May 2015 #202

WOW! +infinity (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #94

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #102

So you showed that you don't LostOne4Ever May 2015 #110

"BTW: They are not "research." Those posters are people." beam me up scottie May 2015 #112

Thank you, Prism, that was a superb post. mr blur May 2015 #95

I did some research on this subject BainsBane May 2015 #99

By my count, that's two people BrotherIvan May 2015 #156

Three BainsBane May 2015 #162

Bravo! whatchamacallit May 2015 #98

See this BainsBane May 2015 #100

these people are still feeding the lie someone called sanders a racist. you think they are gonna seabeyond May 2015 #103

This "these people" hasn't claimed anyone said Sanders is a racist whatchamacallit May 2015 #105

What's going to happen if POC start supporting Sanders in number, whatchamacallit May 2015 #104

then it will inevitably mean sanders is talking to them. cool. that works for me. work for you? nt seabeyond May 2015 #106

Of course it works for me whatchamacallit May 2015 #107

you dont think sanders is not sitting looking at the numbers, strategizing? or clinton. or omallery? seabeyond May 2015 #114

People are free to scrutinize Bernie Sanders in any regard they like whatchamacallit May 2015 #124

mmm, then i guess that would be people that insist we are calling sanders a racist, when in fact seabeyond May 2015 #125

It's one thing to simply ask whatchamacallit May 2015 #127

the conversation has been going on for a month. wasnt out of the blue. i have/was accused of the seabeyond May 2015 #129

I have no idea what you're trying to say in that reply... NaturalHigh May 2015 #142

Then we will know he is effectively speaking to their concerns BainsBane May 2015 #158

privilege needs strong calling out Lordquinton May 2015 #122

Where does the OP say Bernie has a problem with race? BainsBane May 2015 #176

Bravo. You have said it all. n/t QC May 2015 #134

I L.O.V.E. YOU BrotherIvan May 2015 #139

By all means Prism May 2015 #195

I have actually learned a lot from your posts BrotherIvan May 2015 #241

I've learned a lot from you in kind Prism May 2015 #242

Are you speaking on behalf of black people when you tell another they boston bean May 2015 #189

This ovation apparently only has standing room Scootaloo May 2015 #191

Right?! Prism May 2015 #196

As Homer Simpson observed, "Oh, everything looks bad if you remember it." QC May 2015 #206

I thought that my lower jaw was going to meet my upper jaw sometime later today BrotherIvan May 2015 #221

President Obama said LGBTers are ok Prism May 2015 #240

I, for one African-American member of this boar/community ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #262

Great reply Puzzledtraveller May 2015 #285

It's a made up 'issue' AgingAmerican May 2015 #71

it most certainly is. nt m-lekktor May 2015 #79

I must be a pretty shitty writer BainsBane May 2015 #178

i have decided this is just another stance to shut certain people up. if they speak, accuse them of seabeyond May 2015 #72

The only people I've ever heard about that were, 'too important to question' Rex May 2015 #80

Manufactured outrage AgingAmerican May 2015 #82

Dear heavens! Another POC issues of concern thread.....without...... CANDO May 2015 #86

This thread answers the question nicely hifiguy May 2015 #90

My point is simple BainsBane May 2015 #101

Yes. It is. Or simplistic rather. nt Bonobo May 2015 #138

No memo here. I will vote for Bernie in the primary and Hillary in the general. CTyankee May 2015 #111

I can tell because he HAS voted (not just talked) in favor of concerns of people of color. CTyankee May 2015 #113

You ruffled some feathers and upset some folks. Probably not a bad thing Number23 May 2015 #136

Awesome Prism May 2015 #216

Did someting in my post upset you? Number23 May 2015 #218

Nope Prism May 2015 #220

Oh, my gracious that feeling is so COMPLETELY 100% mutual Number23 May 2015 #224

=) n/t Prism May 2015 #227

This message was self-deleted by its author BainsBane May 2015 #226

Please don't go there! Please delete your post. That will NOT be happening. Not with me Number23 May 2015 #229

Done BainsBane May 2015 #231

God bless you. Seriously. Number23 May 2015 #233

Assuming a lot of things that may be true. Bonobo May 2015 #137

So if the election doesn't go the way you want BainsBane May 2015 #182

From the urban dictionary BrotherIvan May 2015 #145

Care to point out where I did that? BainsBane May 2015 #175

And as you linked, some African American members of DU made threads discussing it BrotherIvan May 2015 #203

bigtree's thread was after mine BainsBane May 2015 #213

thanks for finding the definition of what many Sanders supporters on DU are doing! KittyWampus May 2015 #199

And then, you proceed to engage in it BrotherIvan May 2015 #200

But didn't you post in the Bernie Sanders forum that Bernie's stance on race needs to be discussed? Number23 May 2015 #205

In that thread we did discuss it, from a place of honesty BrotherIvan May 2015 #208

many of us seeing it thru the eyes of women. we too are part of social justice. just sayin'. nt seabeyond May 2015 #209

This thread is titled "How you can tell if Sanders speaks to the concerns of people of color" BrotherIvan May 2015 #210

i do not need an ass chewing. reading your post, what you said, i felt the right to be able to seabeyond May 2015 #211

And yet you refuse to go watch a video I sent you a link to and linked to in posts to you cui bono May 2015 #276

Bain's comments are coming from what she's read in the AA forum. There are not many of us here Number23 May 2015 #212

I thought it was a liberal trait too BrotherIvan May 2015 #215

Note, I am not among those BainsBane May 2015 #219

The reason the number of people of color has dwindled over the years is because of the numerous Number23 May 2015 #223

I remember that thread and that is always how I think of you, with gratitude BrotherIvan May 2015 #238

I'm sorry I violated your trust that way BainsBane May 2015 #217

It's up to you. I wish you had let us know that you were going to do that before you did Number23 May 2015 #225

I didn't plan it in advance BainsBane May 2015 #228

I would imagine Bernie will get a substantial African American vote Rosa Luxemburg May 2015 #204

He may well BainsBane May 2015 #214

Phony flame issue meme and red herring much on this board, BB? leveymg May 2015 #230

or flop sweat from DLCers who are afraid the rest of us are seeing through their bullhshit BEFORE yurbud May 2015 #232

Oh, right BainsBane May 2015 #234

what a straw man. by your definition, Ann Coulter & Ben Carson are progressive because of their yurbud May 2015 #266

If we learned anything from '08, it's that HRC's campaign is tolerant of leveymg May 2015 #235

Not Hillary's campaign here BainsBane May 2015 #237

Auxillary or Home Guard? leveymg May 2015 #239

Oh, my. You don't remember BainsBane May 2015 #247

You' 'll have to be more specific leveymg May 2015 #267

Here it is BainsBane May 2015 #291

How you can tell if Clinton speaks to the concerns of Wall St? HooptieWagon May 2015 #236

FFS, the adult unemployment rate in Watts, CA right now hovers at around KingCharlemagne May 2015 #255

"Or would you pivot from race to gender or sexual orientation in a desperate effort..." beam me up scottie May 2015 #268

No one has said anything you just stated. Ridiculous OP. Strawman argument. cui bono May 2015 #270