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FSogol

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151. ALCOA!

Sat May 30, 2015, 06:59 PM

May 2015

If someone is going to all that trouble, why do it just to help a friend who already has 75% party support? He's in it because he wants to win. His campaign hires have been genius. That doesn't happen by accident.

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Will O'Malley pull more votes from Sec. Clinton or Sen. Sanders' supporters? [View all] FrodosPet May 2015 OP

Neither. He may simply be angling for a VP nod. n/t leveymg May 2015 #1

Don't count him out FrodosPet May 2015 #3

We need a Plan B Pill. He might as well be it. leveymg May 2015 #9

The more people know him... Koinos May 2015 #12

this O'Malley? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #23

Where did these graphs come from? ablamj May 2015 #33

same place Nate Silver gets them... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #38

glad you added the site ablamj May 2015 #39

You don't know where Nate Silver is? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #43

don't know where he is ablamj May 2015 #53

Statistician... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #55

I know WHO he is ablamj May 2015 #59

Also ablamj May 2015 #63

hahahaha...yeah...right... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #70

He of all people ablamj May 2015 #77

I believe they are legitimate images ablamj May 2015 #69

They are accurate enough for a Statistician to quote them... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #72

BFD ablamj May 2015 #75

rioooght! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #79

not pretending ablamj May 2015 #82

Yes they are....I will take Nate Silvers opinion over yours... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #90

not sure ablamj May 2015 #89

Oh right...."its just numbers" right.....and anyone can CLAIM they are fake statistics too VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #92

i didn't say ablamj May 2015 #101

And I can continue to laugh at YOUR stances.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #102

go ahead and laugh ablamj May 2015 #104

Yeah and "BFD indeed" was my response! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #105

and ablamj May 2015 #106

oh really? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #107

never ablamj May 2015 #110

I happen to be a social science researcher (and I teach statistics and measurement)... Sancho May 2015 #111

if you go to that website ablamj May 2015 #116

If you go to Jeb and Rand Paul, they are not close to each other... Sancho May 2015 #120

there's no way in hell ablamj May 2015 #148

I just looked at Jeb and Rand...you should do so... Sancho May 2015 #157

i looked at Jeb and Rand and...? ablamj May 2015 #158

Jeb and Rand were in different quadrants... Sancho May 2015 #160

yes ablamj May 2015 #167

even though some probably don't believe it...I don't have a personal issue with other DUers Sancho May 2015 #185

votes don't always ablamj May 2015 #191

I try to avoid those infernal debates but you will never get some people to abandon the eye test. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #208

Ok, OK ,OK. pangaia May 2015 #127

OK Ok OK....that is NOT what this man said..... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #139

LOOK, I did NOT say those graphs are lies !!!! pangaia May 2015 #144

Yes you did.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #149

I think you are confusing me with somebody else. pangaia May 2015 #152

Oh yes they are.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #137

AHAHAHAHA pangaia May 2015 #146

No I am honest.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #150

You have lost me. pangaia May 2015 #153

You just don't want to admit.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #154

You are a little mixed up here. pangaia May 2015 #156

You too qualify... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #168

no ablamj May 2015 #159

Whew! Where have you been? pangaia May 2015 #170

We have now 2 actual statisticians opinions VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #173

Why do you think statisticians are experts on political ideology? I'm not clear on what you think TheKentuckian May 2015 #202

So only one person can be guilty of it? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #171

but you used one of my quotes ablamj May 2015 #175

Sorry...but that person WAS defending YOUR VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #177

not really defending ablamj May 2015 #179

Thats defending your position VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #181

agreeing with one small point? ablamj May 2015 #182

How is that one snall point? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #184

The point being that you said the graphs were false VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #183

i said i didn't believe the graphs and that some can lie with graphs ablamj May 2015 #186

EXACTLY VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #187

you ablamj May 2015 #189

I am making perfect sense.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #192

but ablamj May 2015 #193

they SUPPORTED YOUR position that the statisticians opinions are lies.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #200

no ablamj May 2015 #209

Policy positions and the weighting of them are not statistics. How are you saying the discipline TheKentuckian May 2015 #198

data points ARE statistics.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #199

So data points are statistics, so what? TheKentuckian May 2015 #203

No....the study of them IS statistics... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #204

You are the one who said data points are statistics, I accepted that and moved on so now you are TheKentuckian May 2015 #206

Naw, he's not running for Clinton's or anyone else's VP. Koinos May 2015 #4

They can work together after things like that treestar May 2015 #115

Yeah, i don't get that feeling. He's in it to win it Joe the Revelator May 2015 #10

He's going to come out swinging against Hillary. morningfog May 2015 #34

I'd guess equal. HooptieWagon May 2015 #2

or will he pull no votes at all Johonny May 2015 #5

She has enough of a lead....she can afford to lose a few... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #6

There is a 22% undecided, he may get this portion. Thinkingabout May 2015 #7

Oh just the undecideds? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #8

Oh, I think there will be more than the undecided, I also look for others to jump in also. Thinkingabout May 2015 #13

Yep there will... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #16

Be careful with that pre-ordained stuff... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #24

What pre-ordained stuff.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #26

This is going to be fun. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #30

It is going to be so much fun. morningfog May 2015 #35

You damn straight it is! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #132

But until a few days ago there was no Democrat running against her. pangaia May 2015 #130

baloney....everyone knew Sanders and O'Malley would run... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #133

And when Obama announced in 07, she had a 33 point lead. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #162

Obama was an anomally VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #166

Hillary was and is a flawed candidate. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #188

Sanders is a psueodemocrat? pangaia May 2015 #129

Yep...he said himself he is STILL not a Democrat. VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #135

He'll certainly pull from Sanders, they are singing the same tune Joe the Revelator May 2015 #11

Martin O'Malley? Same tune you say? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #17

When it comes to campaign rhetoric, they are both going to woo Warren supporters Joe the Revelator May 2015 #22

I thought Bernie got all the Warren Supporters according to his supporters... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #25

Is this satire? Am i missing something? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #29

what satire? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #31

I've been around a very long time, which is why I know how this song goes.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #32

apparently not... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #40

You can post that graphic until you're blue in the face.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #42

I've been telling people for years, that those charts are moronic cali May 2015 #50

I suspect he won't pull much from Sanders cali May 2015 #57

You think he's late? I don't think anyone is really paying 'real' attention yet. Joe the Revelator May 2015 #67

oh they're paying attention in Iowa and new Hampshire cali May 2015 #109

Some of Clinton's support is soft. Koinos May 2015 #14

she can afford to lose soft can't she? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #18

Unless... kenfrequed May 2015 #123

HOW does that hurt her? She has a 50 point LEAD on the pack...not just above 50% VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #141

She is wanted by party members. ablamj May 2015 #169

and that is not going to be a problem.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #196

Wait and see kenfrequed May 2015 #195

At this early juncture, I'd say much of Clinton's support is based upon name recognition. Maedhros May 2015 #103

She received roughly 50% of the primary vote in 08 DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #210

It's a different election, under different circumstances, so direct comparison is problematic. Maedhros May 2015 #212

Both. Scootaloo May 2015 #15

A good Candidate? For a Sanders supporter??? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #19

Welcome to reality VanillaRhapsody. Will you be visiting long? Scootaloo May 2015 #21

I am the one that is STILL in reality...I am the realist not the idealist in this conversation... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #27

No, he's not. But he's still a good candidate Scootaloo May 2015 #28

that is SOOO ridiculous....to say you support the policies of Sanders... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #36

All three are good candidates, Nilla. Scootaloo May 2015 #44

I will try to remember YOU feel that way... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #46

I think you should try talking to us rather than at us. Scootaloo May 2015 #51

why....what difference would that make? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #54

if your goal is for Sanders supporters to "go away," then I'm afraid you're on a lost cause Scootaloo May 2015 #64

Oh were you talkiing about Sanders supporters...or the ridiculous sanders supporters? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #66

I'm not confused in the least. Yes, I mean talk to sanders supporters Scootaloo May 2015 #73

Why should I talk TO them? What good will that do? I am not VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #81

Rather than AT them? Because they're people. Scootaloo May 2015 #83

silly people... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #84

Well, whatever. Keep doing as you do, Nilla. Scootaloo May 2015 #86

don't worry.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #87

You have to start something before you can continue doing it Scootaloo May 2015 #99

uh wut? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #100

Why are you so negative and sarcastic about all this? pangaia May 2015 #134

Because of how ugly and caustic Sanders supporters are... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #136

Pretty general statement, in my opinion. pangaia May 2015 #138

Snooty or confident? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #140

I didn't call anyone names. pangaia May 2015 #142

"snooty" isn't a name? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #143

it wasn't used as a name, ablamj May 2015 #172

Do what? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #174

names are nouns ablamj May 2015 #176

OmG VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #180

Good point. Koinos May 2015 #20

Quite right, Scootaloo. elleng May 2015 #97

The more the merrier ! kentuck May 2015 #37

With someone like O'Malley now in the race, Sanders support has probably already peaked. tritsofme May 2015 #41

Agreed, espessially with the new candidate appearing 'fresh' and rockstartish... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #45

this Martin O'Malley? VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #47

Wrong, his support continues to grow and that is supported by polling. onecaliberal May 2015 #48

You could take your own advice. Just because you want Sanders' support to continue to grow does not tritsofme May 2015 #65

what people seem not to know is that Sanders already had a small national base cali May 2015 #78

I don't need to take my own advice I see onecaliberal May 2015 #122

Sanders has had the stage to himself for a few months, tritsofme May 2015 #124

agree 100%! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #49

Hillary has the most to lose, and has failed to execute a strong campaign, thus far. nt Romulox May 2015 #52

No Hillary is the only one that has it to spare.... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #58

She lost in 2008. I don't think she has anything to "spare". nt Romulox May 2015 #61

She has plenty....she is far ahead of where she was then... VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #62

Let me know if President Obama is running. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #74

I know right!!! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #76

Barack Obama was an incredibly charismatic man with a great life story. DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #91

and some can like it or lump it! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #93

I won't go that far./NT DemocratSinceBirth May 2015 #94

LOL! VanillaRhapsody May 2015 #95

OMalley splits Bernies vote workinclasszero May 2015 #56

I don't think so. I think there are a lot of people who don't find Bernie a cali May 2015 #85

I agree. Tikki May 2015 #163

Neither Renew Deal May 2015 #60

Niether Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #68

You gathered that O'Malley is running w/ no support off of one interview? Joe the Revelator May 2015 #71

And you dropped Bernie aspirant May 2015 #112

A better reason then assuming that a single interview on a station watched by .5% of... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #114

A single foreign policy issue (in a single interview) aspirant May 2015 #119

I've said this over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.... Joe the Revelator May 2015 #161

You see what desperation does over and over and over again?. aspirant May 2015 #190

I gathered from that interview he was rather unimpressive. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin May 2015 #211

Probably Hillary, since more of his voters prefer her as their 2nd choice muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #80

I don't know enough about him yet. aikoaiko May 2015 #88

Here's a quick start: FSogol May 2015 #96

Thank you. I really do need to learn more. aikoaiko May 2015 #117

Here is what he said today about Wall Street, Glass Steagall, and the big banks... FSogol May 2015 #145

That is encouraging. aikoaiko May 2015 #147

As much as I will argue up and down that age doesn't matter TBF May 2015 #98

Age Koinos May 2015 #108

I agree - TBF May 2015 #118

If not the race- possibly the presidency loyalsister May 2015 #131

O'Malley\Castro TBF May 2015 #197

The anyone but Hillary crowd treestar May 2015 #113

Aside from the ABCers, KMOD May 2015 #121

I'll bet the HRC campaign talked him into running as a stalking horse to poach KingCharlemagne May 2015 #125

ALCOA! FSogol May 2015 #151

Wouldn't be surprised to learn that one of HRC's operatives offered O'Malley the VP KingCharlemagne May 2015 #155

I am a ABB person. Thinkingabout May 2015 #126

There is no " I cannot support Bernie" bloc. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #128

People invent shit for their premise . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #178

A few from Clinton; mostly from undecided and Biden Recursion May 2015 #164

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #165

You have my Sympathy. cyberswede May 2015 #194

Looks like he's running for Clinton's VEEP, but I could be wrong. n/t Smarmie Doofus May 2015 #201

Neither JustAnotherGen May 2015 #205

He's obviously fitting his campaign for those "Warren supporters" to capture those votes in the JonLP24 May 2015 #207