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Jackpine Radical

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11. That bit about the proper metaphor actually sounds a lot like

Sun May 31, 2015, 09:10 AM

May 2015

one of my standing speeches. We limit the range of solutions we might consider when we resort to war/sports (essentially the same thing at a symbolic level) metaphors, because the language we use essentially primes us for aggression. Just think of all the "wars" we're fighting: The War on Drugs, the War on Poverty, the War on Terror--everything's a fuckin' WAR. I try to use terms like "influence" rather than" impact," etc. to avoid this.

While I did write "versus," that was only in the context of pointing out a false dichotomy that others have been obsessing about. On re-reading my post, I really don't see much combative verbiage, other than calling the dichotomy "destructive," etc. I used verbs like "change" and "move" in describing what I viewed as the positive actions.

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On economic versus social issues-- [View all] Jackpine Radical May 2015 OP

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative Maedhros May 2015 #1

Exactly. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #2

Fiscal conservatism erodes social liberalism AgingAmerican May 2015 #5

and beyond being socially corrosive... Salviati May 2015 #26

If only it were just the economy. I wouldn't feel so bad about those working for them. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #69

How so ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #28

By stripping money from the 99% and handing it to the Oligarchy AgingAmerican May 2015 #35

I think you are confusing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #39

Civil liberties/rights all fall under the same umbrella AgingAmerican May 2015 #46

Okay ...[i]{sighhh} [/i] 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #51

Civil Rights and Social Control AgingAmerican May 2015 #53

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #55

It's mostly true MFrohike May 2015 #54

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast May 2015 #3

Social issues are the one two punch, economic issues are the KO. joshcryer May 2015 #4

Bingo Populist_Prole May 2015 #6

I, for one, am an economic progressive and a social moderate meow2u3 May 2015 #9

JOOC--What does "social moderate" mean to you? (nt) Jackpine Radical May 2015 #12

That person will not answer. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #17

Exactly on all levels. jwirr May 2015 #23

so i ask, are you making people economically conservative when that is absolutely wrong, because you seabeyond May 2015 #30

Eggzaklee! Scuba May 2015 #7

I agree but can we replace the combat verbiage, there is no 'versus' no contest, this is not sports Bluenorthwest May 2015 #8

+1,000,000 ismnotwasm May 2015 #10

That bit about the proper metaphor actually sounds a lot like Jackpine Radical May 2015 #11

I'm not suggesting you are the author of that combat lexicon, just pointing out that the words Bluenorthwest May 2015 #14

Yes indeed. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #15

Exactly. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #19

I'm sorry to pee in your cornflakes, but it IS a war........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #18

And your second paragraph is the one in which you do not paint minority people as your opponents.... Bluenorthwest May 2015 #20

Well, I'm not going to get in a pissing contest over this, but...... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #21

Sure. Straight people often claim the LGBT people they oppress are all rich and in service to $$ Bluenorthwest May 2015 #22

Last post from me on this. Have the last word..... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #36

My last word is to point out that you dismissed everything I said, put words and assumptions into Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #70

LOL (in a really sad way) ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #50

Blacks have ALWAYS had twice the unemployment rate of whites........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #62

Okay. sighhh.... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #63

I'm still trying to gain foundational reference here ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #43

Well put. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #40

I hate this debate cos it gets us nowhere jamzrockz May 2015 #13

So maybe if we re-formalized our system of slave labor, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #16

Just Wiki'd The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas. Interesting summary. 2banon May 2015 #32

IIRC it may be available for free online. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #64

thanks for that reference. I'm surprised I never heard of it bbgrunt May 2015 #56

Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #52

we are told both. every time social is brought up, we are told to shut up. we are told... we are seabeyond May 2015 #24

So you would prefer a candidate who supports LGBT, womens' & minority rights, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #25

no. i would not. please tell me how, simply suggesting social have a voice equates to all the seabeyond May 2015 #27

I don't think that I have in any way diminished the importance of social issues. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #29

ha. i simply told you my desire to speak social, and you threw a bunch of turd way, rw, neoliberal seabeyond May 2015 #31

I stand with your position. thanks for the op. 2banon May 2015 #33

you too stand with his position that even saying the word social justice makes a person, seabeyond May 2015 #34

No. That's not how I read that post. 2banon May 2015 #37

yes. that was exactly what was said. nt seabeyond May 2015 #38

Conservative Democrats have forgotten it was just a con. Marr May 2015 #41

Fantastic post Populist_Prole May 2015 #44

of course it is. cause it fits ideally with your populist position. if social, rw. economic = social seabeyond May 2015 #47

But of course, when YOU high-five a post it's inherently more intellectually honest huh? Populist_Prole May 2015 #48

no no, really. i understand SO much more because of you all, and this OP. clarity is wonderful seabeyond May 2015 #49

Thanks :D Marr May 2015 #58

look at every one of these replies from economic populist. every one, intent is, the word 'social' seabeyond May 2015 #42

now, i am going to have to have a conversation with son about this. progressive, seabeyond May 2015 #45

There's only one group that tells voters to choose between social issues and economic issues... Marr May 2015 #57

here is the really ironic. see if your head can wrap around this. seabeyond May 2015 #59

I have no idea what you're referring to, or saying. /nt Marr May 2015 #60

i think it is a hoot. seabeyond May 2015 #61

I'm so there with you.. :) great post up thread btw. yes every word. 2banon May 2015 #66

We have now entered the Twilight Zone BainsBane Jun 2015 #67

It's so bizarre that you think that was a 'gotcha'. Marr Jun 2015 #68

'The point is you all have been denigrating social issues for sometime BainsBane Jun 2015 #71

Didn't even read that, because you started with a flat-out lie. Marr Jun 2015 #72

I'll nit pick... KoKo May 2015 #65