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Marr

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41. Conservative Democrats have forgotten it was just a con.

Reply to Jackpine Radical (Original post)

Sun May 31, 2015, 02:33 PM

May 2015

Socially liberal/economically conservative is now some sort of openly defended political ideal.

Corporate Democrats used to dress up their 1%er policies with liberal positions on social issues-- that was the fig leaf that made it possible to identify themselves as Democrats while attacking unions and working to undermine the middle class on behalf of the wealthy.

But they've been getting away with it for so long, they seem to have bought into their own bullshit. They're openly mocking the cause of economic justice now, and simply threatening voters with the specter of losing their rights. They've become so accustomed to their 'where else you gonna go, plebe?' position that they don't seem to understand they're supposed to hide that attitude.

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On economic versus social issues-- [View all] Jackpine Radical May 2015 OP

Socially liberal and fiscally conservative Maedhros May 2015 #1

Exactly. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #2

Fiscal conservatism erodes social liberalism AgingAmerican May 2015 #5

and beyond being socially corrosive... Salviati May 2015 #26

If only it were just the economy. I wouldn't feel so bad about those working for them. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #69

How so ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #28

By stripping money from the 99% and handing it to the Oligarchy AgingAmerican May 2015 #35

I think you are confusing ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #39

Civil liberties/rights all fall under the same umbrella AgingAmerican May 2015 #46

Okay ...[i]{sighhh} [/i] 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #51

Civil Rights and Social Control AgingAmerican May 2015 #53

Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #55

It's mostly true MFrohike May 2015 #54

Kicked and recommended to the Max! Enthusiast May 2015 #3

Social issues are the one two punch, economic issues are the KO. joshcryer May 2015 #4

Bingo Populist_Prole May 2015 #6

I, for one, am an economic progressive and a social moderate meow2u3 May 2015 #9

JOOC--What does "social moderate" mean to you? (nt) Jackpine Radical May 2015 #12

That person will not answer. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #17

Exactly on all levels. jwirr May 2015 #23

so i ask, are you making people economically conservative when that is absolutely wrong, because you seabeyond May 2015 #30

Eggzaklee! Scuba May 2015 #7

I agree but can we replace the combat verbiage, there is no 'versus' no contest, this is not sports Bluenorthwest May 2015 #8

+1,000,000 ismnotwasm May 2015 #10

That bit about the proper metaphor actually sounds a lot like Jackpine Radical May 2015 #11

I'm not suggesting you are the author of that combat lexicon, just pointing out that the words Bluenorthwest May 2015 #14

Yes indeed. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #15

Exactly. Bluenorthwest May 2015 #19

I'm sorry to pee in your cornflakes, but it IS a war........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #18

And your second paragraph is the one in which you do not paint minority people as your opponents.... Bluenorthwest May 2015 #20

Well, I'm not going to get in a pissing contest over this, but...... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #21

Sure. Straight people often claim the LGBT people they oppress are all rich and in service to $$ Bluenorthwest May 2015 #22

Last post from me on this. Have the last word..... socialist_n_TN May 2015 #36

My last word is to point out that you dismissed everything I said, put words and assumptions into Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #70

LOL (in a really sad way) ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #50

Blacks have ALWAYS had twice the unemployment rate of whites........ socialist_n_TN May 2015 #62

Okay. sighhh.... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #63

I'm still trying to gain foundational reference here ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #43

Well put. n/t 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #40

I hate this debate cos it gets us nowhere jamzrockz May 2015 #13

So maybe if we re-formalized our system of slave labor, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #16

Just Wiki'd The Ones Who Walk Away from Omelas. Interesting summary. 2banon May 2015 #32

IIRC it may be available for free online. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #64

thanks for that reference. I'm surprised I never heard of it bbgrunt May 2015 #56

Notice ... 1StrongBlackMan May 2015 #52

we are told both. every time social is brought up, we are told to shut up. we are told... we are seabeyond May 2015 #24

So you would prefer a candidate who supports LGBT, womens' & minority rights, Jackpine Radical May 2015 #25

no. i would not. please tell me how, simply suggesting social have a voice equates to all the seabeyond May 2015 #27

I don't think that I have in any way diminished the importance of social issues. Jackpine Radical May 2015 #29

ha. i simply told you my desire to speak social, and you threw a bunch of turd way, rw, neoliberal seabeyond May 2015 #31

I stand with your position. thanks for the op. 2banon May 2015 #33

you too stand with his position that even saying the word social justice makes a person, seabeyond May 2015 #34

No. That's not how I read that post. 2banon May 2015 #37

yes. that was exactly what was said. nt seabeyond May 2015 #38

Conservative Democrats have forgotten it was just a con. Marr May 2015 #41

Fantastic post Populist_Prole May 2015 #44

of course it is. cause it fits ideally with your populist position. if social, rw. economic = social seabeyond May 2015 #47

But of course, when YOU high-five a post it's inherently more intellectually honest huh? Populist_Prole May 2015 #48

no no, really. i understand SO much more because of you all, and this OP. clarity is wonderful seabeyond May 2015 #49

Thanks :D Marr May 2015 #58

look at every one of these replies from economic populist. every one, intent is, the word 'social' seabeyond May 2015 #42

now, i am going to have to have a conversation with son about this. progressive, seabeyond May 2015 #45

There's only one group that tells voters to choose between social issues and economic issues... Marr May 2015 #57

here is the really ironic. see if your head can wrap around this. seabeyond May 2015 #59

I have no idea what you're referring to, or saying. /nt Marr May 2015 #60

i think it is a hoot. seabeyond May 2015 #61

I'm so there with you.. :) great post up thread btw. yes every word. 2banon Jun 2015 #66

We have now entered the Twilight Zone BainsBane Jun 2015 #67

It's so bizarre that you think that was a 'gotcha'. Marr Jun 2015 #68

'The point is you all have been denigrating social issues for sometime BainsBane Jun 2015 #71

Didn't even read that, because you started with a flat-out lie. Marr Jun 2015 #72

I'll nit pick... KoKo May 2015 #65