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85. George Washington would probably endorse this idea.

Sun May 31, 2015, 06:30 PM

May 2015

“However (political parties) may now and then answer popular ends, they are likely in the course of time and things, to become potent engines, by which cunning, ambitious, and unprincipled men will be enabled to subvert the power of the people and to usurp for themselves the reins of government, destroying afterwards the very engines which have lifted them to unjust dominion.”

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Bernie wants debate free-for-all?!?! [View all] RobertEarl May 2015 OP

Maybe he should seek the Democratic Socialist nomination. MohRokTah May 2015 #1

We call it real democracy RobertEarl May 2015 #3

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah May 2015 #6

Sit back and watch. RobertEarl May 2015 #10

Enjoy your idealism MohRokTah May 2015 #12

I see you are back from vaca? RobertEarl May 2015 #14

I am for the party choosing its nominee under party rules. MohRokTah May 2015 #19

Bernie's for that too. Ken Burch May 2015 #70

What slur. MohRokTah May 2015 #73

Debate formats aren't "party rules", and it's not an attack on the party to call for more debates. Ken Burch May 2015 #78

Which party rules? n/t cui bono May 2015 #106

The rules set by the Democratic National Committee. MohRokTah May 2015 #109

Which are the rules you are saying Bernie doesn't want to follow? cui bono May 2015 #113

The exclusivity rule on the debates. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #117

Link? cui bono May 2015 #121

OP. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #124

Link to the rule you are talking about? cui bono May 2015 #126

The link in the OP is to where Bernie wants to not follow the rule. MohRokTah May 2015 #127

That doesn't sound like an actual rule, is it? cui bono May 2015 #133

The DNC CAN decide whatever it wnats when it comes to the Democratic National Primaries. MohRokTah May 2015 #141

No, I get it. So there's no actual party rule. cui bono May 2015 #146

The DNC is the ruling body of the Democratic National PArty. MohRokTah May 2015 #148

Yes, so there is no rule that you can link to that you were demanding Sanders should follow. cui bono May 2015 #150

The rules from the DNC head by Clinton-loyalist Debbie Wasserman-Schultz pengu Jun 2015 #228

So you don't like who is Chair of the DNC? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #229

It isn't always just about "party", sometimes it's just about the people. NorthCarolina May 2015 #144

In the primaries, it is ALL about party. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #147

No, voting is always about the people. Unless you don't believe in democracy. cui bono May 2015 #152

Yeah Plucketeer May 2015 #151

who are you????? heaven05 May 2015 #183

You really don't like candidates who break DNC rules, do you? ieoeja Jun 2015 #240

Yes, I got pretty pissed off when the Obama/Clinton spat over Florida in 2008 occurred. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #242

Yeah, you'll be there with your fruit cake donkeys on your hats. Just like the Republicans. YOHABLO May 2015 #181

+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #184

I doubt seriously if I'll be a ational delegate. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #193

Cool story, bro! ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #239

Why the viciousness? It's just as legit and real for Bernie to run as it is for HRC. Ken Burch May 2015 #66

What vicisousness? MohRokTah May 2015 #68

Candidates who get checks from big donors can't fight for the people. Ken Burch May 2015 #72

Candidates who don't raise lots of money cannot win a national election. MohRokTah May 2015 #74

So we are guaranteed a candidate that cannot be expected to fight for the people tkmorris May 2015 #88

You really don't get it, do you? MohRokTah May 2015 #105

Always is a state of mind kacekwl May 2015 #134

Oh I get it. And I get YOU, most importantly tkmorris Jun 2015 #206

OMG reality rears its ugly head in DU workinclasszero Jun 2015 #235

Bull, if there is a screw job that snail suddenly shits lightening and craps thunder TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #253

Actually, he's been out of the country, not just out of town. (nt) jeff47 May 2015 #82

Why does this argument not surprise me? Scootaloo May 2015 #102

In the 2016 presidential race, it is. MohRokTah May 2015 #103

You really think so? Interesting Scootaloo May 2015 #108

TheRepublicans have not outdone the Democrats in a presidential race since 2004. MohRokTah May 2015 #112

But you will vote for them in such an occasion? Scootaloo May 2015 #115

So let's be up front and honest Caretha May 2015 #190

Not much. MohRokTah May 2015 #195

Message auto-removed Name removed May 2015 #203

It took her 4 years to pay off what she owed after her last run, the one she L.O.S.T. Autumn Jun 2015 #231

High Five BrotherIvan May 2015 #192

Oh crap I like that davidpdx Jun 2015 #213

Because its HER TURN dammit!!!! 7962 Jun 2015 #247

enjoy your surrender G_j May 2015 #116

To surrender would be to nominate a candidate incapable of outraising the Republicans. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #118

You mean like Obama? jeff47 May 2015 #137

+1, lmao Marr May 2015 #149

Actually...that falsehood is being spread often. Check out open secrets.org Sheepshank May 2015 #200

Because super-pacs don't exist, and are utterly independent jeff47 Jun 2015 #218

easter bunny and spreading falsehoods..................... Sheepshank Jun 2015 #219

Haven't you heard? Idealism is a dirty word round these parts... DeadLetterOffice May 2015 #189

Sounds like what the British said to the Americans a bit over 200 years ago. n/t jtuck004 May 2015 #156

"Get back in touch with me when the reality hits." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #232

This forum isn't about "winning anyone over". MohRokTah Jun 2015 #241

Remember 08? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #243

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #245

.....that,...and a river in Egypt. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #248

Hillary didn't win in 2008, either Aerows May 2015 #15

Obama outraised her in the money race. MohRokTah May 2015 #20

Something Aerows May 2015 #23

Well see, he raised a shit ton of money for Democratic candidates in 2006. MohRokTah May 2015 #26

So ... Aerows May 2015 #31

Obama raised more money than Clinton. MohRokTah May 2015 #33

So what does Aerows May 2015 #42

Well see, the big bundlers that went to Obama in 2008... MohRokTah May 2015 #44

And whos buying it, Carewfan May 2015 #100

Well then let the Republican win. MohRokTah May 2015 #101

Absolutely not. Carewfan May 2015 #128

Then you should have gotten active at the local level. MohRokTah May 2015 #130

Yet the polls have Hillary ahead. hrmjustin May 2015 #155

I eagerly await the debates.. Carewfan May 2015 #159

Bernies poll numbers against the republicans is useless. hrmjustin May 2015 #161

Oh, he will. Bernie'll secure the nomination Carewfan May 2015 #164

Yes and i will support the nominee and campaign vigorously for the nominee. hrmjustin May 2015 #180

No, election fraud did that. n/t cui bono May 2015 #187

. MohRokTah May 2015 #194

You think election fraud is a CT? cui bono Jun 2015 #208

I think the argument being made is. zeemike May 2015 #125

Maybe she should seek the Money Party nomination arcane1 May 2015 #48

She is rightfully seeking the Democratic nomination. MohRokTah May 2015 #50

Money isn't the only thing that matters. Ken Burch May 2015 #75

Money is the ONLY thing that matters in a presidential race. MohRokTah May 2015 #79

Then why'd Romney lose? jeff47 May 2015 #95

And Romney's dad? And Nelson Freakin' Rockefeller...twice? Ken Burch May 2015 #97

+1 Go Vols May 2015 #122

You can't seem to get a response to that point. How odd. Marr May 2015 #154

+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #170

Nope...check out opensecrets.org. Obama raised & spent more n/t Sheepshank May 2015 #201

Now add in super-pacs. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #217

do you have links for Super PAC contributions for Obama Vs Romney? n/t Sheepshank Jun 2015 #220

Nope, they're secret! Yay Super-Pacs! jeff47 Jun 2015 #221

I though it was the names of the contributors that was secret, not the amounts. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #223

Depends on which section of the tax code your super-PAC is organized under. jeff47 Jun 2015 #224

Money isn't everything. jeff47 May 2015 #93

The Koch brothers *outraised* Bernie in Vermont. cui bono May 2015 #111

Retail politics works at the local level. MohRokTah May 2015 #114

You should laugh more at the fact Hillary lost a 30 point lead in 2008. How soon you forget! nt Logical May 2015 #41

The most spectacular flameout since Dewey in '48, methinks. Kind of like watching a train KingCharlemagne May 2015 #96

Hey I bet Dennis polled 90% workinclasszero May 2015 #57

Probably more like 99% MohRokTah May 2015 #59

Lolz workinclasszero May 2015 #62

Right. A Simple Game May 2015 #76

Its on the way workinclasszero May 2015 #80

Hillary couldn't raise as much money as Obama. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #81

Even with a head start? n/t A Simple Game May 2015 #87

I saw them like you in 2008 heaven05 May 2015 #140

Obama hit the ground raising as much money as Clinton. MohRokTah May 2015 #143

Like I said heaven05 May 2015 #153

So you're for Bernie then? Carewfan May 2015 #157

Yes that didn't "wrt" for Kucinich chapdrum Jun 2015 #236

... TBF May 2015 #43

Yup workinclasszero May 2015 #51

My Goodness Sherman A1 May 2015 #67

I love that he's clearly so fucking threatening to you, that you have AtheistCrusader May 2015 #142

He;s not threatening to me MohRokTah May 2015 #145

He all ready has it. PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #254

No thanks. hrmjustin May 2015 #2

Why? Afraid that Hillary Clinton can't debate? Carewfan May 2015 #11

Hillary will do just fine imo. hrmjustin May 2015 #16

DNC needs to replace DWS first. Carewfan May 2015 #27

You don't understand how parties work, do you? MohRokTah May 2015 #35

That's nice that you are loyal to the Democratic Party.... Carewfan May 2015 #40

I sure hope so heaven05 May 2015 #166

Good luck. hrmjustin May 2015 #55

Welcome to DU.... zappaman May 2015 #38

Not very nice to leave after I welcomed you! zappaman Jun 2015 #222

How on earth do you justify being against more debates? Marr May 2015 #160

I think 6 is enough. hrmjustin May 2015 #162

Yes, I understand that is your position. But the exclusivity? Marr May 2015 #165

I never said the dnc was right or wrong. hrmjustin May 2015 #167

So you think six is enough, but are against the exclusivity rule...? Marr May 2015 #169

I am not taking a position on the exclusivety rule. hrmjustin May 2015 #172

Fine, I'm done pulling teeth here. Have a nice evening. /nt Marr May 2015 #173

Still have all my teeth here. enjoy. hrmjustin May 2015 #175

How about 4 or 3? nm rhett o rick May 2015 #204

6 is fine. hrmjustin May 2015 #205

Less debates favor Hillary who is riding high on name recognition, AtomicKitten May 2015 #4

If lesser candidates cannot get it together in 6 debates. MohRokTah May 2015 #7

Well, we agree Hillary will bore the public. nt Logical May 2015 #39

I'm seeing a lot of enthusiasm Carewfan May 2015 #45

Maybe the focus groups will leak her answers ahead of time. peecoolyour May 2015 #77

Yep RobertEarl May 2015 #8

Feel the Bern! AtomicKitten May 2015 #9

Bern Baby Bern! NYC_SKP May 2015 #17

I like that Aerows May 2015 #21

#FeelTheBern love it! peacebird May 2015 #61

Yes! Aerows May 2015 #64

Kucinich did that in 2004. MohRokTah May 2015 #36

You really are stuck on Dennis aren't you? Nobody is thinking Bernie is like Kucinich A Simple Game May 2015 #83

Nah he blames the purists... Carewfan May 2015 #163

From 26 to just 6? WTF azmom May 2015 #129

WTF indeed. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #238

I'm with him. Exilednight May 2015 #5

Does he intend to bypass or ignore the exclusivity clause stipulated for the democratic debates? Koinos May 2015 #13

They dare not RobertEarl May 2015 #34

WRONG! MohRokTah May 2015 #37

New rules RobertEarl May 2015 #46

Yeah, they said the same about Kucinich, too. MohRokTah May 2015 #47

Somebody's hair is on fire!! RobertEarl May 2015 #52

Certainly not mine. MohRokTah May 2015 #53

or he calls for changing the rules. Qutzupalotl Jun 2015 #249

Good luck with that. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #250

Whatever they're paying you, it's too much. n/t Qutzupalotl Jun 2015 #252

Hillary Clinton, the clear favorite Aerows May 2015 #18

Hillary lost to President Obama workinclasszero May 2015 #60

Bernie is getting THOUSANDS of enthusiastic people to his town halls... How is Hill doing? peacebird May 2015 #63

Still far ahead of all democratic challengers workinclasszero May 2015 #65

Polls at this point are meaningless, as of course you know... peacebird May 2015 #71

Oh cmon workinclasszero May 2015 #86

Keep laughing, but Bernie has people on his side peacebird May 2015 #104

I'm sure he does workinclasszero May 2015 #120

keep trying heaven05 May 2015 #179

Lol not worried about the Bernie Underground workinclasszero May 2015 #185

oh never worry heaven05 May 2015 #186

"...a few groups of select people." Buns_of_Fire May 2015 #191

Or only talking to handpicked groups.... peacebird Jun 2015 #212

What do you mean by "select people"? His rallies have been open to all. And he already has hit 15%. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #251

Well, a switch that massive would show a trend he could ride. jeff47 May 2015 #135

+1000 heaven05 May 2015 #176

She's giving speeches to dozens of Wall St CEOs HooptieWagon May 2015 #84

It's an interesting idea ... surrealAmerican May 2015 #22

Awesome idea! Paka May 2015 #90

personally.....I would like to see the two parties debate..... chillfactor May 2015 #24

I think it is a really good idea rurallib May 2015 #25

Me, too...I love to have action like the British Parliament Gloria May 2015 #32

What a weird concept. Nye Bevan May 2015 #28

Democracy is not a weird concept. RobertEarl May 2015 #54

Definitely agree with you that it seems weird, but Cruz in your scenario would function KingCharlemagne May 2015 #99

That's ridiculous... joeybee12 May 2015 #29

I'm against this idea gwheezie May 2015 #30

It sounds more like Anarchy tha Democratic Socialism. eom MohRokTah May 2015 #58

you're stretching heaven05 May 2015 #174

I hear TLC has a slot open...I like the idea of a Meet the Candidate Reality Show. libdem4life May 2015 #49

If you told the forefathers Debates for Presidential elections were orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #56

If you told the forefathers that slavery was outlawed workinclasszero May 2015 #91

I think they'd be more shocked about women getting the right to vote dlwickham May 2015 #110

That too!! workinclasszero May 2015 #123

And would be shocked to hear what her idea of Democracy was . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #139

what is her idea of democracy dlwickham May 2015 #199

That's it " Please Share " Her Transparency only exists when she's exposed, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #211

didn't realize Hillary had so much power as to block millions of people from bettering themselves dlwickham Jun 2015 #216

Where did you get that ? Comparing her to Alexander Hamilton orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #234

If you told them about the TPP, they'd say it wasn't . orpupilofnature57 May 2015 #138

Why not? Informed voters are good for the country. Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #69

Apparently if you can't discuss all the issues facing America in 6 debates you're boring think May 2015 #89

But not for the Powers that Be RufusTFirefly May 2015 #92

George Washington would probably endorse this idea. peecoolyour May 2015 #85

Great a never ending campaign of twits and wit.... Historic NY May 2015 #94

I sincerely hope the democratic party workinclasszero May 2015 #98

Agreed, when I hear Bernie wants a free for all, I see him as marginalizing the DNC. Thinkingabout May 2015 #107

Amazing how druidity33 May 2015 #119

more Dem debates are fine gwheezie May 2015 #131

" when I hear Bernie wants a free for all, I see him as marginalizing the DNC." workinclasszero May 2015 #158

Oh noes!! Not the DNC!!! RobertEarl May 2015 #188

The DNC is the governing body of the Democratic National Party MohRokTah May 2015 #202

I get you RobertEarl Jun 2015 #210

The DNC needs to be marginalized so good. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #255

I'm against this idea and I'm also of favor of only six debates. TexasTowelie May 2015 #132

There were 34 Democratic primary debates in 2008. jeff47 May 2015 #136

The party is trying so hard to custom fit this election to Hillary Clinton, it's just sad. /nt Marr May 2015 #168

Yep. Same as 2008. HooptieWagon May 2015 #196

Oh, dear!! The candidates might slip off their scripts!! Tierra_y_Libertad May 2015 #178

Not a bad idea but doubt it would happen. DCBob May 2015 #171

Interleague play bluestateguy May 2015 #177

So do I. LWolf May 2015 #182

debates... sitting or standing? quadrature May 2015 #197

I'm confused. Koinos May 2015 #198

Interesting. The Republicans will never agree to it. backscatter712 Jun 2015 #207

Has this ever happened before? During a Primary? jwirr Jun 2015 #209

Interesting idea loyalsister Jun 2015 #214

Why the hell should REPUBLICANS participate in a debate in our primary? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #215

Because our candidate will go on to face the Republicans in the general election. jeff47 Jun 2015 #237

Nope, I don't think we need the clown car stinking up our primary. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #244

It would only help them out if they did well. jeff47 Jun 2015 #246

Wow, who thought open dialog and sharing of candidates views would be so controversial? Gregorian Jun 2015 #225

didn't you get Skinner's memo? "underground" means just that we're really against MisterP Jun 2015 #230

I wouldn't watch them JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #226

Agree Koinos Jun 2015 #227

If Bernie wants to debate the Republicants now I am not opposed. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #233