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iverglas

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54. yeah, ha ha

Fri May 11, 2012, 03:25 PM

May 2012

They believe she's superior and shouldn't be exposed to harm at the hands of boys.

Suddenly, baseball is a contact sport ...

And exclusion is really and truly what generally happens to people somebody decides are superior.

Exclusion based on personal characteristics is the same no matter what the characteristic, and no matter what the bullshit "reason" offered for the exclusion is. Dividing people into classes based on colour, sex, or any other trait, and treating the classes differently, is the essence of discrimination: unjustified differential treatment.

This girl herself is the proof that the personal characteristic is irrelevant. She plays baseball and she does it well.

I'm surprised someone hasn't brought it up so I'll be pre-emptive. Equal treatment doesn't require same treatment. Allowing girls on baseball teams with boys does not mean that girls' teams should be allowed to bring in boy ringers, or that all kids' sports teams should be mixed (which would tend to result in girls being excluded because at most ages they are smaller and have less muscle mass than boys). Kids should be given opportunities appropriate to their abilities, period.

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Catholic school in Arizona forfeits championship baseball game because the other team has a girl! [View all] Better Believe It May 2012 OP

This is Spanky's fault..n/t monmouth May 2012 #1

They just didn't want sharp_stick May 2012 #2

simply not true ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #3

Damned apologists. sharp_stick May 2012 #10

once again you totally mischaracterize their stance ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #25

Lighten up Charlie sharp_stick May 2012 #32

sorry if I missed the humour... ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #34

Apologist for anti-semite hate groups? CreekDog May 2012 #124

ah...the name calling begins... n/t ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #155

Its getting harder for the haters. stonecutter357 May 2012 #31

How much different do you consider yourself from them? ag_dude May 2012 #41

Roman Catholics don't even recognize this breakaway as Roman Catholic obamanut2012 May 2012 #80

Irrelevant to my point. ag_dude May 2012 #106

The kids didn't decide this. The adults at the school did and the adult coaches enforced it riderinthestorm May 2012 #108

Do you not see the difference between calling it out... ag_dude May 2012 #135

We don't accept the ramblings of schizophrenics Rittermeister May 2012 #146

Because you're better than right wing and talk radio scum? ag_dude May 2012 #149

What I'm okay with is dispelling institutionalized superstition and prejudice Rittermeister May 2012 #178

Interesting you say that JonLP24 May 2012 #186

Its a discussion board. If you don't like your ideas/beliefs/irrationalities challenged riderinthestorm May 2012 #152

It is bigotry. ag_dude May 2012 #157

“wimpy fundies”, “fundie assholes”, “pricks”, “nuts”, “gawd” ag_dude May 2012 #158

While we're on the subject of defining bigotry ag_dude May 2012 #159

These guys are a cult sharp_stick May 2012 #104

So be it, bigots typically don't. ag_dude May 2012 #107

Religion, especially blatantly discriminatory religious belief gets no special respect on DU riderinthestorm May 2012 #110

Who said I respect it? ag_dude May 2012 #136

You persist in calling DUers out for slamming the coach's reprehensible decision riderinthestorm May 2012 #153

No, yet again, you fail to see what I'm calling out. ag_dude May 2012 #156

Words being used to reference the school and coach's who are using bogus religious riderinthestorm May 2012 #160

No, you are generalizing yet again. ag_dude May 2012 #162

nice try jackass sharp_stick May 2012 #116

Discuss what? ag_dude May 2012 #137

"Who's the real bigot here?" me b zola May 2012 #196

Disrespect is deference now? Iggo May 2012 #88

They were happy enough to play in a league Mariana May 2012 #96

Same group did this: (wouldn't allow a female ref to officiate a game in Kansas) CreekDog May 2012 #126

Okay.... whistler162 May 2012 #180

quoi? sharp_stick May 2012 #181

Bunch of wack job "catholics." Archae May 2012 #4

It's misleading to call this a Catholic school. It's part of a small, break-away sect. n/t pnwmom May 2012 #5

It's not a Catholic school. It's a Lefebvrite school meow2u3 May 2012 #8

It's a catholic christian break-away religious sect. It just isn't recognized by the pope. Better Believe It May 2012 #12

And people that post here can call themelves supporters of all things Democratic, too. Ikonoklast May 2012 #15

Yes, they can call themselves what they wish. But the subject line was misleading, pnwmom May 2012 #16

They are catholics even if you disagree with their religion and choose to call them something else. Better Believe It May 2012 #18

So do you call the FLDS "Mormons" or LDS even though they are a break-away sect? pnwmom May 2012 #19

Yes I do. The post makes clear the school is "fundamentalist" that broke away from the Roman church Better Believe It May 2012 #26

A lot of people will only read the subject line, as you know, pnwmom May 2012 #48

It's a catholic christian school. You might not like or agree with this brand of catholic Better Believe It May 2012 #76

Why didn't you just call it a Christian school, then? Or just a school? pnwmom May 2012 #91

Because it's a catholic school. They aren't protestants, baptists or mormons. Better Believe It May 2012 #128

They're Christians. But they don't even refer to themselves as Catholics. pnwmom May 2012 #129

identifying the precise group allows them to be identified as a hate group CreekDog May 2012 #127

The Catholics are too busy "investigating" the Girl Scouts to mess with this. nt PassingFair May 2012 #72

They may also call themselves Greek Orthodox Judaism if they wish... LanternWaste May 2012 #40

Ah yes, the No True Scotsman theory of religious identification. riderinthestorm May 2012 #75

Yes they may if that's what they are, but, they are not claiming that. Better Believe It May 2012 #78

Every one of their future opponents should add a girl to their roster Zorra May 2012 #6

Good suggestion. The team only needs one girl who can be put into the line-up for the game against SDjack May 2012 #14

This isn't a Catholic school. It's a break-away sect. n/t pnwmom May 2012 #20

Looks to me like you'd either respect her or she'd beat you to death with that baseball bat TrogL May 2012 #7

so in order to beat this team all you need is a uniform made of mixed fabric? Johonny May 2012 #9

I guess they were upset because the lack of a bulge between the legs confused them? Baitball Blogger May 2012 #11

She had sat out two other games against this team out of respect for their beliefs. Lochloosa May 2012 #13

That is ridiculous eissa May 2012 #23

Now I disagree with that Horse with no Name May 2012 #69

Now she's learned what usually happens when someone Mariana May 2012 #99

give 'em an inch, they'll take two miles n/t Scout May 2012 #140

TV News Report Video Better Believe It May 2012 #17

Bigots never deserve to have their bigotry respected, or admired. Zorra May 2012 #22

Girls cry. And there's no crying in baseball!1!! pinboy3niner May 2012 #21

There was a girl wrestler this year in Iowa . The thought of that would have driven them crazy. libinnyandia May 2012 #24

Oh, for pete's sake! MineralMan May 2012 #27

they didn't say the girl couldn't play ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #28

Just like refusing to play against a team with Jackie Robinson on it, because he was black. nt Zorra May 2012 #29

exactly the same... ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #30

It is the same dbackjon May 2012 #33

that is NOT why they are not playing the game ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #35

Not inferior just only allowed roles of a subordinate CreekDog May 2012 #38

this is not about the woman's position in the family or the church ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #42

Actually, it is exactly about that. DLevine May 2012 #44

nope... ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #58

yeah, ha ha iverglas May 2012 #54

simple failure to understand ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #55

gosh, you're enigmatic iverglas May 2012 #68

It is exactly the same, and the "women are ladies" tactic is BS obamanut2012 May 2012 #81

What the heck why are you defending this group? CreekDog May 2012 #165

ahh...see, I am not defending them, per se ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #166

So if their faith includes anti-semitism, you think we are hypocrites if we don't respect it? CreekDog May 2012 #167

if you claim to support belief and faith ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #168

Anti-semitism and anti-women is harming others CreekDog May 2012 #169

Bear Bryant? really? wow ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #192

Well by your own bogus standard you are intolerant of belief CreekDog May 2012 #193

i know about the crusades ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #194

One does not need to respect intolerant beliefs to support the right to belief and faith Hippo_Tron May 2012 #171

then they would be right to call you a bigot as well ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #173

One can have separation of religion without discriminating on the basis of sex, race... Hippo_Tron May 2012 #174

In Kansas, with the same sect, the issue was "women having authority over men" KamaAina May 2012 #170

So, did the girl get to play? MineralMan May 2012 #36

she did play...all year ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #39

To the devil with that argument. MineralMan May 2012 #45

because you have nothing else... n/t ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #59

Nor do I need anything else to have an opinion. MineralMan May 2012 #100

ah, so to hell with opinions you don't like ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #101

then they can lose for not being able to dictate another team's discrimination CreekDog May 2012 #37

they did lose ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #43

belief is no justification for BS CreekDog May 2012 #47

they hold it for and to themselves ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #56

Wrong. I completely support belief and faith --but not belief and faith in the indefensible CreekDog May 2012 #61

that's the problem with belief and faith ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #95

What makes it indefensible is if it causes harm or discrimination CreekDog May 2012 #97

almost all religions are exclusive about SOMETHING, though ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #98

If you're going to be an apologist for everything a religion does, no matter how discriminatory... CreekDog May 2012 #105

sorry I shot a hole in your argument ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #118

i love how YOU call ME intolerant ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #143

many Catholics don't hold to all the dogma CreekDog May 2012 #71

They did apply it to others obamanut2012 May 2012 #82

Yep. "Hey, kids anyone want some of this kool-aid?" "Uh, no thanks, Reverend Jones, you drink it". Zorra May 2012 #70

They did, and so did her coach for benching her obamanut2012 May 2012 #83

I posted this story in Religion yesterday... didn't get nearly this much attention Electric Monk May 2012 #46

Surprised? n/t Egalitarian Thug May 2012 #103

Not particularly. BBI has a real knack for drawing a crowd. nt Electric Monk May 2012 #131

I suppose I should say "had" not "has", as BBI is no longer with us. Electric Monk May 2012 #176

Now it's been posted yet again in a new thread Electric Monk May 2012 #177

Forfeit? ejbr May 2012 #49

Believe it or not there are DUers who would agree with this riderinthestorm May 2012 #50

because it couldn't be anything other than 'keeping women in their place', could it? ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #60

What the fuck do you think they mean when they say playing with girls means riderinthestorm May 2012 #73

And, since when is baseball either sexual or a contact sport??? obamanut2012 May 2012 #85

Baseball can be a contact sport... OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #147

So...by your thinking, if black boys were considered by this church/school to be too dainty to Zorra May 2012 #74

That is exactly what it is, as the girls aren't being treated as equals obamanut2012 May 2012 #84

well would you be defending it if it weren't something done by a church school? CreekDog May 2012 #111

no, because a public school isn't allowed to discriminate in that way ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #119

i didn't say public school...and i didn't ask whether it was legal CreekDog May 2012 #120

i believe that unless your religion requires you ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #142

So it's OK for religions to sequester their daughters and then marry them off... PassingFair May 2012 #148

either it's all ok or none of it is ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #154

Got another question for you...is that group even Catholic? CreekDog May 2012 #122

courage? hahahah damn, you're funny ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #141

It is 100% pure sexist. Logical May 2012 #179

very illogical of you... n/t ProdigalJunkMail May 2012 #185

WTF? PavePusher May 2012 #51

So all the boys on the other team are afraid to get to 2nd base?? thelordofhell May 2012 #52

Good one! ManiacJoe May 2012 #64

If one considers the extremely orthodox beliefs of this catholic group Sen. Walter Sobchak May 2012 #164

Whaa.......Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaa thelordofhell May 2012 #183

They did the correct thing in forfeiting the game. bluedigger May 2012 #53

maybe not iverglas May 2012 #66

WTF MadrasT May 2012 #57

Discrimination should never be respected or tolerated. n/t DLevine May 2012 #62

They should have forfeited well before game day then. Then the third place team could have played. alphafemale May 2012 #63

I have no problem with this Horse with no Name May 2012 #65

No. MadrasT May 2012 #77

The league allows coed teams, so they broke the league's rules obamanut2012 May 2012 #87

could be the best post in the thread! yup, i think it is. n/t Scout May 2012 #90

I didn't see that initially Horse with no Name May 2012 #92

Agreed! obamanut2012 May 2012 #113

Excellent point CreekDog May 2012 #195

And the Westboro Baptist loons have the right to protest funerals Hippo_Tron May 2012 #172

"There's a GIRL on that team! How dare they have a girl!" sakabatou May 2012 #67

Future Olympian in that photo obamanut2012 May 2012 #79

Except that softball was removed as an Olympic sport Horse with no Name May 2012 #93

I've read they are probably reversing that obamanut2012 May 2012 #115

They never meant to delete it in the first place Horse with no Name May 2012 #132

I have never understood why they don't have girls'/women's baseball obamanut2012 May 2012 #187

I don't care to play baseball Horse with no Name May 2012 #189

Jenny Finch's picthcing is insane! obamanut2012 May 2012 #190

In my younger days Horse with no Name May 2012 #191

WELL GOOD! I would not want to play against a bunch of Rex May 2012 #86

Proper boundaries.....difficulty. MrSlayer May 2012 #89

If it's difficult, it's not worth doing. Courtesy Flush May 2012 #138

The Catholic church brettdale May 2012 #94

It seems like some of these uber religious wish is were Saudia Arabia. I think they all believe Pisces May 2012 #102

Sad, pathetic little men Canuckistanian May 2012 #109

Christo-fascist dicks afraid that A GIRL may beat them. Odin2005 May 2012 #112

SSPX is a hate group. LeftyMom May 2012 #114

Eeeeewwww! nt Zorra May 2012 #125

Yikes! Starry Messenger May 2012 #133

"May the better team win..." baldguy May 2012 #117

Well... Initech May 2012 #121

How can they call themselves Catholic when the article says they broke away from the church Irishonly May 2012 #123

Because there are millions of non-Roman catholics who do not follow the dictates of the pope. Better Believe It May 2012 #130

Thank you Irishonly May 2012 #144

Yes, but few are called hate groups by the ADL and SPLC as this one is CreekDog May 2012 #175

Wow Irishonly May 2012 #182

They believe the RCC broke away from THEM. THEY are the "real" Catholics Patiod May 2012 #161

Catholic Conservatives, Afraid Of A Girl... Color Me Surprised... WillyT May 2012 #134

Channeling the ghost of Cap Anson... malthaussen May 2012 #139

If the school didn't have a softball team and she is actully good enough to compete... OneTenthofOnePercent May 2012 #145

They play in a league that allows girls. Iggo May 2012 #150

Similar story in Kansas a few years ago proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #151

So unfair. polly7 May 2012 #163

OMG they could have gotten GIRL COOTIES on them!!!1 eShirl May 2012 #184

I can think of something that would have instilled "in our boys a profound respect for women": KurtNYC May 2012 #188