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pampango

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22. The EU is composed of many nations but it was created along "FDR" principles - strong unions,
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 05:20 PM
Jun 2015

high taxes, strong safety net, better regulation, etc.

Uniting many sovereign nations with different laws is not impossible. History (the EU) proves that. France and Germany have fought more wars against each other than the US has with any of the TPP countries. They get along better now than they have for decades and no Germans or French have been killed fighting on behalf of 'national sovereignty' as have in the past.

The question is how are countries united and is it beneficial. If the TPP does not meet a standard of a 'progressive partnership' because corporations are too strong and liberals are too weak, it will never be what the EU is.

We are one nation now. We weren't one nation in any meaningful way under the Articles of Confederation. States had many different laws and resisted subjugating their sovereignty to a larger national entity. With the coming of the Constitution, the states lost the ability to regulate interstate commerce (tariffs, quotas, regulatory standards), just as happened with European countries with the advent of the EU.

To me the loss of sovereignty - state sovereignty here 225 years ago, national sovereignty in Europe 50 years ago - is not as significant as who or what sets the new rules and how effective are they are respecting and protecting our rights and prosperity. Our government has not done a very good job of that in recent decades. The EU has done much better but none of them are perfect.

agreed. "Corporate Rights" agreement. also "Corporate Welfare" magical thyme Jun 2015 #1
It totally sucks Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #3
The big problem with this article is that it picks bad examples: DanTex Jun 2015 #2
No, it is not. rogerashton Jun 2015 #8
First of all, no, those aren't examples of free movement of capital. DanTex Jun 2015 #9
You said rogerashton Jun 2015 #10
I said "Allowing American companies to move jobs/production". DanTex Jun 2015 #12
Keep fudging. rogerashton Jun 2015 #13
How am I "fudging"? DanTex Jun 2015 #15
In the theory of international trade, rogerashton Jun 2015 #18
Yes, that's the macroeconomic definition of capital, and while it is used that way in DanTex Jun 2015 #19
You are getting a little frantic, here. rogerashton Jun 2015 #23
Frantic, what? This doesn't need to get personal, does it? DanTex Jun 2015 #24
K&R 99Forever Jun 2015 #4
So you have read something that doesn't even exist yet? Seer? Cryptoad Jun 2015 #5
1. enough has been leaked for us to see it's no good. The ISDS chapter alone is enough. magical thyme Jun 2015 #6
80% of the GDP covered by the TPP is already covered by "free trade" agreements. jeff47 Jun 2015 #11
It's a transference of power from nation states to corporations. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #7
Exactly, but those that worship money are blind to the harm it will do. Rex Jun 2015 #14
"Free trade" is actually privatize profits - socialize costs/losses... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #20
Basically its the crowing of corporations d_legendary1 Jun 2015 #16
Only in the sense that the EU Charter and the US Constitution were 'free trade agreements'. pampango Jun 2015 #17
This works in the US because we Are ONE nation, tpp involves many sovereign nations with Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #21
The EU is composed of many nations but it was created along "FDR" principles - strong unions, pampango Jun 2015 #22
The EU generally lifted all boats. The TPP is created only to lift the yachts of the rich... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #25
Do we export anything anymore? xfundy Jun 2015 #26
Bombs, guns, mortars, tanks, and factory equipment once used here Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #28
Accordling to Wikipedia the type is trade agreement Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #27
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