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In reply to the discussion: The World's Fourth Largest Inland Body of Water Has Disappeared [View all]FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)87. So, a free market enterprise with employee ownership
As opposed to ownership of the means of production by the state.
Yes, I have been reading about Mondragon. Lots of good things about the concept, but it is not invincible to market forces.
http://www.economist.com/news/business/21589469-collapse-spains-fagor-tests-worlds-largest-group-co-operatives-trouble-workers
Trouble in workers paradise
The collapse of Spains Fagor tests the worlds largest group of co-operatives
Nov 9th 2013 | MADRID
NEWS that Spains largest appliance-maker is heading for bankruptcy will not come as a complete shock in the crisis-ridden country. Yet Fagor is a special case. It is part of Mondragon, the worlds biggest group of worker-owned co-operatives. Nestled in the green hillsides of the town of the same name, in the Basque country, Mondragon has won many awards and much praise as a shining alternative to shareholder capitalism and a bastion of workplace democracy during its six decades of history.
Now, one of the groups key principlesof solidarity among its 110 constituent co-opshas found its limit. Fagor has lost money for five years and has run up debts of 850m ($1.2 billion). Its sales have fallen sharply because of Spains property bust and low-cost competition from Asia. Even pay cuts of over 20% have not been enough to turn it around. Its factories all ceased production three weeks ago.
In the past, losses in one part of the group have been covered by the others, but this time Fagors pleas for a 170m lifeline were rejected, even though the Spanish and Basque governments were ready to step in as part of the rescue. Eroski, another co-operative in the Mondragon group and one of Spains largest retailers, is also struggling in the face of stiff competition, and it and two other co-ops vetoed Fagors plan.
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Fagor, with 5,600 workers, is a relatively small part of the whole. Even so, Mr Treviño warns that its fall will have an uncontrollable domino effect on the rest of the group with major social implications. He believes Fagors liquidation would create a 480m hole at Mondragon, including inter-group loans and payments the groups insurance arm would have to make on Fagor workers unemployment policies. Mondragon has promised to find new jobs or offer early-retirement terms for as many as it can of Fagors Spanish workers, but this is a tall order in a country with 27% unemployment. Besides their jobs, workers stand to lose the money they had invested in the co-op if it is liquidated.
~ snip ~
The collapse of Spains Fagor tests the worlds largest group of co-operatives
Nov 9th 2013 | MADRID
NEWS that Spains largest appliance-maker is heading for bankruptcy will not come as a complete shock in the crisis-ridden country. Yet Fagor is a special case. It is part of Mondragon, the worlds biggest group of worker-owned co-operatives. Nestled in the green hillsides of the town of the same name, in the Basque country, Mondragon has won many awards and much praise as a shining alternative to shareholder capitalism and a bastion of workplace democracy during its six decades of history.
Now, one of the groups key principlesof solidarity among its 110 constituent co-opshas found its limit. Fagor has lost money for five years and has run up debts of 850m ($1.2 billion). Its sales have fallen sharply because of Spains property bust and low-cost competition from Asia. Even pay cuts of over 20% have not been enough to turn it around. Its factories all ceased production three weeks ago.
In the past, losses in one part of the group have been covered by the others, but this time Fagors pleas for a 170m lifeline were rejected, even though the Spanish and Basque governments were ready to step in as part of the rescue. Eroski, another co-operative in the Mondragon group and one of Spains largest retailers, is also struggling in the face of stiff competition, and it and two other co-ops vetoed Fagors plan.
~ snip ~
Fagor, with 5,600 workers, is a relatively small part of the whole. Even so, Mr Treviño warns that its fall will have an uncontrollable domino effect on the rest of the group with major social implications. He believes Fagors liquidation would create a 480m hole at Mondragon, including inter-group loans and payments the groups insurance arm would have to make on Fagor workers unemployment policies. Mondragon has promised to find new jobs or offer early-retirement terms for as many as it can of Fagors Spanish workers, but this is a tall order in a country with 27% unemployment. Besides their jobs, workers stand to lose the money they had invested in the co-op if it is liquidated.
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