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pnwmom

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56. So you are saying this investigative reporter is lying?
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 08:27 PM
Jun 2015
https://www.themarshallproject.org/2015/04/29/david-simon-on-baltimore-s-anguish

The drug war began it, certainly, but the stake through the heart of police procedure in Baltimore was MARTIN O’MALLEY. He destroyed police work in some real respects. Whatever was left of it when he took over the police department, if there were two bricks together that were the suggestion of an edifice that you could have called meaningful police work, he found a way to pull them apart. Everyone thinks I’ve got a hard-on for Marty because we battled over “The Wire,” whether it was bad for the city, whether we’d be filming it in Baltimore. But it’s been years, and I mean, that’s over. I shook hands with him on the train last year and we buried it. And, hey, if he's the Democratic nominee, I’m going to end up voting for him. It’s not personal and I admire some of his other stances on the death penalty and gay rights. But to be honest, what happened under his watch as Baltimore’s mayor was that he wanted to be governor. And at a certain point, with the crime rate high and with his promises of a reduced crime rate on the line, he put no faith in real policing.

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How? There were two initiatives. First, the department began sweeping the streets of the inner city, taking bodies on ridiculous humbles, mass arrests, sending thousands of people to city jail, hundreds every night, thousands in a month. They actually had police supervisors stationed with printed forms at the city jail – forms that said, essentially, you can go home now if you sign away any liability the city has for false arrest, or you can not sign the form and spend the weekend in jail until you see a court commissioner. And tens of thousands of people signed that form.

My own crew members used to get picked up trying to come from the set at night. We’d wrap at like one in the morning, and we’d be in the middle of East Baltimore and they’d start to drive home, they’d get pulled over. My first assistant director — Anthony Hemingway — ended up at city jail. No charge. Driving while black, and then trying to explain that he had every right to be where he was, and he ended up on EAGER STREET4. Charges were non-existent, or were dismissed en masse. Martin O’Malley’s logic was pretty basic: If we clear the streets, they’ll stop shooting at each other. We’ll lower the murder rate because there will be no one on the corners.

Eager Street is the location of the notorious Baltimore City Detention Center. The jail was embroiled in a widespread corruption scandal that resulted in dozens of inmates and corrections officers convicted on federal charges. It has also been under a federal civil rights investigation for more than a decade over its use of solitary confinement for juvenile offenders.The city eventually got sued by the ACLU and had to settle, but O’Malley defends the wholesale denigration of black civil rights to this day. Never mind what it did to your jury pool: now every single person of color in Baltimore knows the police will lie — and that's your jury pool for when you really need them for when you have, say, a felony murder case. But what it taught the police department was that they could go a step beyond the manufactured probable cause, and the drug-free zones and the humbles – the targeting of suspects through less-than-constitutional procedure. Now, the mass arrests made clear, we can lock up anybody, we don't have to figure out who's committing crimes, we don't have to investigate anything, we just gather all the bodies — everybody goes to jail. And yet people were scared enough of crime in those years that O’Malley had his supporters for this policy, council members and community leaders who thought, They’re all just thugs.

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so it's basically an anti-Bush article from over a decade ago bigtree Jun 2015 #1
Huh? That's your takeaway? themaguffin Jun 2015 #2
my take away is that this is 2015 bigtree Jun 2015 #5
I hope so, but it's disconcerting. I hope that you can recognize why themaguffin Jun 2015 #7
we didn't need to build a broad coalition in 2007. Their Op Ed was themaguffin Jun 2015 #13
The fact that he wrote a oped with that Harold Ford should send chills up progressives spines bigdarryl Jun 2015 #3
Misleading headline. The article is about not ignoring the center. FSogol Jun 2015 #4
Correct, it's about ignoring progressives themaguffin Jun 2015 #6
No, it is an appeal to solution based politics and not just throwing red meat to supporters. FSogol Jun 2015 #8
Not really as themaguffin Jun 2015 #14
that wasn't O'Malley's record in my state bigtree Jun 2015 #9
When was it the "center" was ignored? The expression is slicked up talk to say more conservative TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #58
Very intelligent article. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #10
No, there are not a lot centrists. Have we learning nothing? themaguffin Jun 2015 #12
I do wonder how much of the electorate is in play for any given national election. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #20
Who cares? askew Jun 2015 #11
O'Malley is a politician. He changes his tune as it suits his prospects. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #15
his record as governor matches his progressive rhetoric bigtree Jun 2015 #17
The point is that this kind of behavior is what we get from geek tragedy Jun 2015 #18
there isn't any inconsistency in O'Malley's progressive talk what he's done in my state bigtree Jun 2015 #19
there is a debate to be had over his tenure in Baltimore. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22
we've had that debate in my state bigtree Jun 2015 #24
"can try and pretend it's an open question" geek tragedy Jun 2015 #25
there's a question as to whether an arrest policy over a decade ago is reponsible bigtree Jun 2015 #28
I don't think Geek is saying O'Malley is a bad guy, just that he's a career politician like Hillary DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #23
Yeah, Bernie Sanders is really the exception here. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #26
No disrespect to Bernie but he moved to a state that liked the cut of his jib. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #27
I think he's running as the "if something happens to Hillary" candidate--kind of the VP role already geek tragedy Jun 2015 #30
In the unlikely event Hillary stumbled Biden would get in the race... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #31
Candidates who need jump in late don't fare too well. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #32
Frank Lautenberg won under the same circumstances when Toricelli dropped out in NJ. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #35
Love him, but Joe wasn't a very compelling candidate in 2008. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #36
Pat Caddell used to say he was the ideal candidate because of his straight talking everyman persona. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #37
Pat Caddell and Dick Morris are the same person nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #38
Most successful politicians are... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #21
His record is more conservative than Hillary's or Bernie's. pnwmom Jun 2015 #29
examples? bigtree Jun 2015 #33
If you go to the link I gave you, pnwmom Jun 2015 #34
actually there are many aspects of his crime policy which were progressive bigtree Jun 2015 #39
His zero tolerance policy was anything but progressive, and neither was his pnwmom Jun 2015 #40
yet, as I pointed out, it was not the entirety of his 'policing program' bigtree Jun 2015 #43
His biggest critic said, "I’m going to end up voting for him" FSogol Jun 2015 #44
He's obviously not O'Malley's biggest critic then. He likes him on other issues, pnwmom Jun 2015 #47
He doesn't have a poor record on police and crime. He lowered the crime rate as mayor. FSogol Jun 2015 #49
He lowered the crime rate by sweeping in the innocent as well as the guilty. pnwmom Jun 2015 #50
that's a complete misrepresentation of his police dept.s approach bigtree Jun 2015 #52
So you are saying this investigative reporter is lying? pnwmom Jun 2015 #56
I think most of his article is conjecture - inaccurate and incomplete bigtree Jun 2015 #61
He said IF he's the Democratic nominee he will vote for him. pnwmom Jun 2015 #57
On the issues is a Libertarian group. It is embarrassing that so many people on DU use it as FSogol Jun 2015 #42
You can't get more republicrat/lieberdem that Harold Ford Jr betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #16
O'Malley is a Clinton protege' and early DLC member Oilwellian Jun 2015 #41
we'll just ignore his actual record of progressive accomplishments in my state, then bigtree Jun 2015 #45
Well his actual record shows someone who prioritized a balance budget betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #48
ALCOA! FSogol Jun 2015 #51
a balanced budget which did not rely on cutting necessary or vital social programs bigtree Jun 2015 #53
Hark the Harold H2O Man Jun 2015 #46
the nerve - a candidate we support associating with this guy bigtree Jun 2015 #54
where is their op ed? themaguffin Jun 2015 #55
they're oped weights oh H2O Man Jun 2015 #59
. bigtree Jun 2015 #60
I'd have to get an endorsement directly from God Almighty to polish Ford up TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #62
actually from further digging, this was actually discussed back in the day... themaguffin Jun 2015 #63
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