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JonLP24

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30. You imply people are going overboard with Hillary wall-street criticism
Mon Jun 1, 2015, 09:32 PM
Jun 2015

but than go overboard with what Bernie Sanders is proposing but mainly addressing the exception to reality & compromising as there is a difference there. Saying two different things in front of two different crowds? I've seen Obama in '08 with inspirational attacks on the Bush administration to "Our Constitution works. Our Bill of Rights works." to channeling with Bush with "they keep us safe" and on so many starting things using the old "speculative fears" Bush-era arguments to block torture photos and so much more which set in a new reality for me as for the longest time I thought the shocking Bush precedents would end with literally any new Democrat but not a single doubt when it came to Obama which I really became afraid of we are never going to walk back from them and increased executive branch powers & drones and don't have a doubt Hillary Clinton will be worse as she is more of a hawk than most Republicans -- I bet most Republicans wish they had her hawkish rhetoric skills. Same foreign policy as always just more doubled down.

The one that I remember well is the mandate who Obama nailed it on debates against Clinton and the ACA negotiations were incredible as stranger than fiction -- I get that Senate Democrats were threatening to filibuster but would sign any bill that didn't include a public option so the mandate was something as "filibuster-proof" but that won over no Republican votes and in-fact Republicans who supported versions with a mandate came out against it but what I don't get was the continued use of it but not just that -- Obama adopted the health insurance lobby arguments like why? They gave up on Olympia Snowe who signaled early support for it but after what happened to Grassley & the other guy they didn't bother with her figuring her to be a lost cause but Maine Republicans are a different breed that never miss votes. But it became about pleasing the moderate Democrats. Congress was a bigger mess but Democrats against the mandates started falling in favor of it as health reform was getting worse and worse and chances dwindling and the remarkable entire parties switching places on mandates. Then the last obstacle was Stupak with his unfortunate last name though the word everybody was thinking of fit him perfectly considering the time, circumstances, and reasons.

Bernie Sanders actually had legislation sponsored passed in one of the least productive years ever (2013) and this was lower than the "Do Nothing Congress" who had more legislation passed because they could override Truman's vetos.

The Turnip Day Session

Harry Truman makes a great speech. He wasn’t a great orator but he outdid himself this night and he blamed all the ills of the country on the do-nothing Republican-controlled Congress. He also said Republican Congress, you want to make the country right. I’ll give you a chance. Come back to Washington. I’m calling a special session, the Turnip Day Session. Be back in un-air-conditioned Washington on July 26th. We’ll meet for two weeks and we’ll see if you can deliver on your plank. No reason you can’t. You’ve got the leadership. Before that session started, however, the party really fragmented. July 17th then South Carolina Governor Strom Thurmond creates the Dixiecrat Party. Two days later Henry Wallace who had been FDR’s vice president creates the Progressive Party. Essentially the Party is shattered. Two of the three prongs that Democrats had relied on, that FDR had relied on for his four victories are gone, the Progressives, the Southern Democrats.

The Turnip Day Congress starts on July 26th, un-air-conditioned. Cruel to do that to bring everybody back when they should be running for office, and Harry Truman was relentless. The first day back in he hits them with a political 2” x 4”. He issues two Executive Orders. He doesn’t need their approval, so with one, 9981 he integrates the military of the United States and what most people don’t remember and historians overlook, he simultaneously issues Executive Order 9980 which integrates the vast federal bureaucracy. He essentially undoes what Wilson has done in 1913. The federal government is now integrated. The Turnip Day Session, of course, advances no agenda. It’s a debacle for the Republicans and he constantly reminds people and he returns to Independence, Missouri, for the month of August because campaign started mercifully after Labor Day in those days, and he goes home to Independence with his wife and daughter who he loved, and just about everybody in Washington thinks when he comes back after campaigning, he’ll be a lame duck president. No one thinks Harry Truman’s going to be elected president.

http://www.virginia.edu/uvanewsmakers/newsmakers/gardner.html

What year was "Turnip Day" special session of Congress?

In 1948, President Harry Truman was running for election, but facing a bitter fight from Republicans in Congress dedicated not just to defeating Truman's proposals but to destroying the President himself. Republicans opposed Truman on everything from civil rights to public health care to expanding educational benefits.

They even refused to respond to the housing crisis that gripped the country, giving the impression government itself was broken. In short, the failure of the country would be blamed on Truman and Republicans would win at the polls that fall.

So, on Turnip Day, Truman called their bluff. In a brilliant political move, Truman relied on a little-used clause in the Constitution that permitted presidents to call Congress into special session "on extraordinary occasions."

Truman invited Congress to convene for two weeks beginning in late July in the famous "Turnip Day" session in order to pass everything they just promised the country. The President said he would sign the bills into law. Caught off guard, the Republicans, behind their leader, Robert Taft, refused to do anything but express outrage. This allowed Truman to label them the "Do Nothing Congress" and reveal their obstructionism to the American public.

On the campaign stump, Truman reminded the public: "That Congress never did anything… but they tried to sabotage everything. And if you people stay home this time like you did in 1946 (when Republicans were elected), you'll get just what you deserve."

http://articles.sun-sentinel.com/2010-03-07/news/sfl-new-rwcol-3710_1_vice-president-truman-turnip-day-history-at-lynn-university

Republican senators reacted scornfully. To Arthur Vandenberg, it sounded like "a last hysterical gasp of an expiring administration." Yet, Vandenberg and other senior Senate Republicans urged action on a few measures to solidify certain vital voting blocs. "No!" exclaimed Republican Policy Committee chairman Robert Taft. "We're not going to give that fellow anything." Charging Truman with abuse of a presidential prerogative, Taft blocked all legislative action during the futile session. By doing this, Taft amplified Truman's case against the "Do-nothing Eightieth Congress" and arguably contributed to his November victory.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip_Day_Session

I believe Bernie Sanders channels Truman and the Republicans channel the 80th Congress.

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She has a record n2doc Jun 2015 #1
I just got slagged by someone with a 33 post thread count. roguevalley Jun 2015 #21
Of course not n2doc Jun 2015 #62
The first viable woman candidate for president is being careful! aquart Jun 2015 #65
So because of her gender she has to do flip flops? BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #70
No. But ANYONE walking a tightrope is doing a balancing act. aquart Jun 2015 #103
Code for you hate women DiverDave Jun 2015 #82
So people have said that about you? aquart Jun 2015 #104
I take her at her word when no one was really looking. What she says now is carefully roguevalley Jun 2015 #75
Denial is not just a river..... hifiguy Jun 2015 #2
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Dame Hillary Plucketeer Jun 2015 #40
That's hysterical. Thanks. n/t zentrum Jun 2015 #47
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Oh, c'mon Cali. KMOD Jun 2015 #4
"We all got into this mess together, and we’re all going to have to work together to get out of it." L0oniX Jun 2015 #5
I am not saying I agree. I'm trying to put together some translation of what the reporters KMOD Jun 2015 #10
Like no one has evolved? Changed their minds? Obama and gay marriage comes to mind. Laser102 Jun 2015 #74
That's why I'm voting for someone who has already "evolved" arcane1 Jun 2015 #77
OMG! What if she evolves BACK?! NYC_SKP Jun 2015 #94
When did Obama "evolve"? bvar22 Jun 2015 #88
We got into this together how? Where are my profits and 6,7,8 figure bonuses then? TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #9
We ALL got in this together???!!!! bvar22 Jun 2015 #15
We all got on this Titanic together Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #16
If that is what she said, and I don't know because it appears no reporter covered the event. KMOD Jun 2015 #18
Now, why is that, I wonder? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #37
So the Banksters are the truth tellers now? KMOD Jun 2015 #38
They're the source we have for this particular event. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #41
and you seem to put your trust in a few anonymous banksters. KMOD Jun 2015 #43
Do you deny that she was at the event? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #44
No, I do not deny she was at the event. KMOD Jun 2015 #45
And were you a participant at this particular event? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #48
Now you are just being silly. KMOD Jun 2015 #49
If you can show me Hillary's actual statements from this event, I would love it. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #50
Fine. Should I stoop to this level and start posting all the ridiculous KMOD Jun 2015 #51
I'm asking you to back yourself up. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #52
I made my case. KMOD Jun 2015 #54
No, you expressed your opinion Scootaloo Jun 2015 #57
KMOD made the threat to slander the wife of a candidate. Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #63
I believe the chant goes "banks got bailed out, we got sold out." Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #22
My friend who lost her house would like to know that too. No bailout for her! They offered her $800 sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #61
MRW Hillary said we got in this together.... Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #28
If the statement is true, and we have no proof of such, the statement sounds like she is KMOD Jun 2015 #32
You posted the statement to clarify what you thought were WORSE remarks... Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #33
I'm trying to reconcile gossip, from two different sources, to determine KMOD Jun 2015 #36
She isn't wrong. Many people have formed ties with Wall St and banksters. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #68
What do you have against legalized ponzi? eom PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #6
Right now, her fans will tell you to believe Campaign Hillary. Marr Jun 2015 #7
Ding, ding, ding. We have a winner. Scuba Jun 2015 #8
+ a shitload BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #11
Just like we believed campaign Obama. Paka Jun 2015 #23
Exactly. Nt HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #31
Got that right. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #24
Evolved??.... Segami Jun 2015 #12
Who does Not know this? It's been all over the place since the sudden New York residence libdem4life Jun 2015 #13
What I don't understand is how can her actions be defended. When Goldman-Sachs rhett o rick Jun 2015 #14
Really?! Aren't people tired of this shit already? We have 3 damn good candidates to choose from uponit7771 Jun 2015 #17
Neither was FDR, right? Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #25
FDR had wall streeters in his cabinet uponit7771 Jun 2015 #96
You imply people are going overboard with Hillary wall-street criticism JonLP24 Jun 2015 #30
No, there's no "going" at all they're already there... FDR had wall streeters in his cabinet uponit7771 Jun 2015 #97
Yeah, y'all have 3 good candidates DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #34
Nope, that would make things interesting... we're not discussing anything though IMHO... just ... uponit7771 Jun 2015 #98
Depends on how you define "reality".... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #46
After Obama no one is toast, Bernie can organize like Obama and work the backstage and get uponit7771 Jun 2015 #99
The DLC types act like everyone who worked to get Obama elected should now do it for Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #101
The direct contradiction struck out to me as well JonLP24 Jun 2015 #19
I think we just need to adopt the perpetual Clinton/Bush presidency and be done with it. jalan48 Jun 2015 #20
"Bush could buy children's books for his brother's library." Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #27
Kinda like Denmark Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #39
I like it! jalan48 Jun 2015 #42
Speaking of which, who is the next-generation Bush? malthaussen Jun 2015 #73
There are a lot of little Bushes running around. jalan48 Jun 2015 #76
Bush has two daughters that should be ovr 21 by now. bvar22 Jun 2015 #91
Of course! How could I have forgotten Jenna and not-Jenna? Buns_of_Fire Jun 2015 #95
She must be "evolving" again for the primaries. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #26
+1 AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #59
Hoy many epiphany's is one person entitled to in a lifetime? NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #64
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Believe the one that's actually quoted and not hearsay. KMOD Jun 2015 #29
Had to add another reply when the previous subthread didn't go your way, huh? (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #55
Yeah, believe an actual source, or anonymous millionaire banksters. KMOD Jun 2015 #56
You got that transcript from the Goldman-Sachs speech yet? jeff47 Jun 2015 #58
LOL. You know when you use quotations some people might think DanTex Jun 2015 #35
Actually , what she meant was...... Smarmie Doofus Jun 2015 #53
...which ever way the big money blows. SoapBox Jun 2015 #66
when banksters start adding zeros to the right of the first number, the further Exilednight Jun 2015 #80
I don't blame the bankers - I blame our govt. Hillary would allow the looting to continue. Oneironaut Jun 2015 #67
Disappear Hillary...Next!!! billhicks76 Jun 2015 #71
I do not trust her Angry Dragon Jun 2015 #72
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Recommended. H2O Man Jun 2015 #81
"Foolish" - ONE word taken out of context. George II Jun 2015 #83
here's your context AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #86
She read off those figures during the speech in which she used the word "foolish"? No, but.... George II Jun 2015 #87
cognitive dissonance AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #89
The fact still remains, that word "foolish" was one word taken out of a speech she gave.... George II Jun 2015 #90
the message was clear AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #93
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Without Wall Street millions of Americans Gman Jun 2015 #92
Neither, ambiguos explaintions for the same old story orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #102
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