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33. She is not very good at all.

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 10:03 AM

Jun 2015

When Barack Obama waded into the crowds in 2007-08, he did so with relish and joy.

You're seeing that in Bernie Sanders, too.

Hillary just is what she is: a lousy campaigner.
Even when she is sitting "listening" with average people she looks uncomfortable; she gives that cheeky smile, raises her eyes and then looks to left and right ... she doesn't know what to do!

A second Clinton presidency is just not going to happen. Hillary is too encumbered by too long and controversial a past. Her time out of office, the last couple of years, has been a disaster for a good nomination strategy and we are going to see that in the polls as we move along.

The pursuit of money is going to be the millstone around her neck -- I don't trust her or Bill anymore -- they should have modeled Bill Clinton's post-presidential work on Jimmy Carter, not let it become some super billionaire lobbying concern.

But this can be over thought -- bottomline is that Hillary Clinton will fail because she doesn't have it in her as part of a natural talent to be a good enough candidate to get the top job.

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Poll: New speed bumps for Clinton [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

Maybe the incessant and baseless attacks from the far left are actually having an effect. DanTex Jun 2015 #1

Impossible. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #5

Well, if the left trashing Hillary is causing her numbers to change, there's only 2 things to conclude whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #61

I just looked up all the various logical fallacies, and your post qualifies for about three. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #86

Obviously they're a subset of all possibilities whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #93

First, the comment wasn't mine. You just selected me to annoy. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #95

just what negative campaigning has Bernie done? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #127

None! In fact, Bernie has pledged NOT to campaign negatively ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #134

a couple of issues with your hope there. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #140

All you are accomplishing is making people wish you would stop. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #150

repetition is one of the best ways to drive home a message. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #152

Yeah, well, I know a way to mute the sound. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #154

no skin off my nose. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #171

My hope? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #167

If only they would listen... Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #149

I never even mentioned him. Not once. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #144

Bernie Sanders is not immune to negative campaigning, cheapdate Jun 2015 #168

It's magic! Marr Jun 2015 #117

Maybe it's her behavior. cali Jun 2015 #7

+1 nt Javaman Jun 2015 #13

Ya think?!? Or, it could be that damn Bernie clan stirring up trouble again (not). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #125

Occam's Razor at work. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #130

maybe because of the email or the huge speaking fees karynnj Jun 2015 #15

Not sure that recalling her record qualifies as "incessant and baseless attacks" yet I'm libdem4life Jun 2015 #18

We can hope. morningfog Jun 2015 #19

Maybe her failure to clearly say where she stands on issues is hurting her? on point Jun 2015 #45

Yep DU has that effect on the US. L0oniX Jun 2015 #48

Hilarious, but predictable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #53

I wasn't talking about DU. DanTex Jun 2015 #55

That is your first mistake nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #59

I never thought NYT was part of the communist party. Not sure what you are talking about. DanTex Jun 2015 #60

You know what is hilarious nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #64

You seem to find a lot of things hilarious. DanTex Jun 2015 #68

THere is no far left in the country... well what there is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #72

Sure there is. It just depends on what you mean by "far". DanTex Jun 2015 #77

I prefer to work with facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #85

All evidence to the contrary... DanTex Jun 2015 #94

There is a total of ONE email regarding the embassy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #101

Well, that's an interesting disclosure. Odd that you previously referred to that one email as DanTex Jun 2015 #112

These responses to you are full of facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #115

If you say so! I guess your definition of "facts" is different too. DanTex Jun 2015 #123

Actually those who I know who are interested in facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #124

Yes, the "loop": that's where Republicans would rather run against Hillary than Bernie DanTex Jun 2015 #132

Oh it is adorable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #138

To be fair, it's kind of hard discussing the "facts" since you're not allowed to share them with DanTex Jun 2015 #156

I gave you the ORIGINAL Material nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #158

Wait! I thought I had the last word! DanTex Jun 2015 #164

For number 2 tune in to Hannity nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #169

Of course, an independent: "views differ on shape of planet" -- Paul Krugman. DanTex Jun 2015 #172

Well I got no idea what it has to do with Krugman nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #173

He's the one who made that statement, mocking "Very Serious" people who DanTex Jun 2015 #174

Well I don't think voting makes a tinkers damn of difference nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #175

Hmm, so voting doesn't matter, and yet I really need you because your vote is so DanTex Jun 2015 #176

Actually I am not on any fence nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #177

Adorable! zappaman Jun 2015 #147

Gratuitous reference to the "far left".. frylock Jun 2015 #104

I can't... I will get liver damage if I do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #106

I found it concise and descriptive. But if you have other suggestions I'm DanTex Jun 2015 #113

Conservatives find that term to be concise and descriptive.. frylock Jun 2015 #116

You don't have to come out and say it. Rex Jun 2015 #135

How can you stand this, Dan? Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #153

Ah yes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #157

Yeah. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #159

Well thank you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #170

Yes, they are kind of out there, you certainly have a point. DanTex Jun 2015 #160

"Blow in my ear, and I'll follow you anywhere." Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #162

Yep, people claiming that a "far left" news organization allowed Judith Miller to work for them... cascadiance Jun 2015 #188

This is why this is so damn entertaining nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #189

Far left?? From where?? RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #63

Far left? That sounds like 'Republican Speak' to me. jalan48 Jun 2015 #75

Only because it is. frylock Jun 2015 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jun 2015 #111

That one stirs the shit all day long here. Rex Jun 2015 #133

He's been stirring the shit, practically since HRC announced she was running. Rex Jun 2015 #131

Let's hope so! raindaddy Jun 2015 #82

"Baseless." Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #103

if by 'baseless attacks' you mean 'looking at her record' magical thyme Jun 2015 #137

We predicted her erosion with independents... Chan790 Jun 2015 #141

I would agree with you if there were a viable non-Hillary candidate like we had in 08. DanTex Jun 2015 #142

Let's be honest. Chan790 Jun 2015 #146

Yes it is. Still, we have to make sure we beat them. DanTex Jun 2015 #155

Maybe it's because now there are a couple of other candidates running for the Democratic Autumn Jun 2015 #163

Or maybe she's not the strongest candidate after all, and needs to come up with actual policy Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #190

"baseless attacks from the left" -- you mean like noting she has the blood of 1,000,000+ KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #193

Does that make you -- and the other swiftboaters -- dance with glee? Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

It makes me thankful we still have a chance to nominate Bernie GummyBearz Jun 2015 #3

The nomination might, watching a Tbagger take office, not so much. Hoyt Jun 2015 #6

That is if you can convince the 76% of Democrats for whom HRC... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #12

first, hoyt, being called names by a corporate cheering "democrat" cali Jun 2015 #10

In order for Hillary to lose she will have to lose a greater percentage of the white vote since... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #20

You're assuming people will vote in the same numbers. Calista241 Jun 2015 #47

I would never compare Hillary's skills to President Obama's political skills... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #51

I don't cheer corporations, but I've worked for small mom-and-pop businesses and was treated worse Hoyt Jun 2015 #39

lol. sure, hoyt. uh huh. cali Jun 2015 #126

It's not "swiftboating" LWolf Jun 2015 #17

Barring an act of God she will be our nominee... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #24

That is if they are as committed to her as you are. zeemike Jun 2015 #97

That's odd... Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #105

It is the same script nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #110

My buddy always talks about having skin in the game. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #114

Hah! That's the most overreactive overreaction I've seen in a while. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #119

At least I didn't pull a Romney and offer to bet you $10,000.00 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #120

This is the same rhetoric and air of entitlement as in '08 CANDO Jun 2015 #161

I am not instructing but predicting. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #166

I certainly hope we can LWolf Jun 2015 #182

They Have known her for twenty five years.... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #183

No. LWolf Jun 2015 #184

When you suggest that Democrats who like Hillary aren't smart enough to know why they do... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #185

I didn't suggest that. LWolf Jun 2015 #186

Polls indicate that 85% or so of Democrats have a favorable opinion of Secretary Of State Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #187

Try to get your numbers straight. LWolf Jun 2015 #191

Nothing but the truth... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #192

What a shitty goddamned thing to say!! Fuck that shit! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #83

Whataya call it? Hoyt Jun 2015 #87

It's a report on a CNN/ORK poll! That's ALL it is, here in the beginning of June, 2015 ... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #92

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down Hoyt Jun 2015 #99

"I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down with a bunch of fabricated criticism" ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #102

All the 'Not Hillary' Party is interested in is tearing down. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #4

bullshit cali Jun 2015 #11

Not at all. LWolf Jun 2015 #21

Agreed. All they want to do is tear down ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #25

Yep. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34

as they and their predecessors have wanted for the last 80 years wyldwolf Jun 2015 #180

She is a rockstar in the party and just keeps going. Such a fighter. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #8

You may want to post a link, or else people will think you are plagiarizing. n/t demmiblue Jun 2015 #9

One poll makes you larger. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #14

poll after poll is indicating the same trend cali Jun 2015 #23

But the ones that cali gives you... OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #26

LOL Jefferson Airplane, good one. bahrbearian Jun 2015 #31

Go ask Skinner MohRokTah Jun 2015 #35

HaaaHaaaHaaa..!!! On a roll this morning..LMAO misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #52

She's a weak campaigner. 2008 suggested that, this time it's becoming clear. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #16

She is not very good at all. earthside Jun 2015 #33

Nixon was a lousy politician and he owns the largest pop vote EC vote landslide DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #40

Great comparison. earthside Jun 2015 #42

I should have been more precise. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #57

You made the comparison with Nixon. earthside Jun 2015 #65

Neither Nixon or Hillary would win a Mr. or Ms. Congeniality contest DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #70

You're a piece of work. earthside Jun 2015 #121

I thought I was being magnanimous. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #122

I think the call from Clinton operative from Bernie's crowds, "Some things in your mirror libdem4life Jun 2015 #22

For all the size of the crowds... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #27

Just quoting one of her operatives. It was in the MSM. libdem4life Jun 2015 #28

Link? eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #37

I'm sure it will pop up...I don't keep links on Every Detail I Read. Not to worry. I don't lie. libdem4life Jun 2015 #43

Okay, so it wasn't reported the way you claim. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #44

Well, I don't think it was Sanders who said "Get Mrs. Clinton here." Where is your link, BTW? libdem4life Jun 2015 #46

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #50

Thanks...that's the one. libdem4life Jun 2015 #54

it also speaks volumes about her "haughty, I am entitled" approach ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #143

Good catch...I missed that...just saw the mini-panic in the wording. libdem4life Jun 2015 #148

She lost a >30% lead in 2008. I'm confident she can do better this time. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #29

Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment ? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #30

Obama isn't superman. jeff47 Jun 2015 #32

She went on to win nearly 50% of the primary and caucus vote DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #38

Which demonstrates that Obama was not superman. jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

I don't understand the argument DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #49

That's 'cause you're busy trying to teleport Sanders to 2008. jeff47 Jun 2015 #58

You completely ignored her DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #66

I ignored them because they are not that important. jeff47 Jun 2015 #71

"She had the same advantages in 2008." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #73

Did you know that spending on science and technology is killing people with their bedsheets? jeff47 Jun 2015 #90

We are arguing on parallel tracks. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #118

The difference is you're believing polling that is wrong 90% of the time. jeff47 Jun 2015 #178

May i just correct you for a second nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #179

We are at an impasse... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #181

But Obama had an organization and money that Bernie does not have hack89 Jun 2015 #79

No, Obama eventually had an organization and money that Bernie does not currently have. jeff47 Jun 2015 #96

By the end of May he had raised $61M. HRC had raised $63M. hack89 Jun 2015 #108

<snip> 23% of those polled said they want to be a fire truck underpants Jun 2015 #36

I doubt these results. Orsino Jun 2015 #56

Come on all you hard-working white Americans! She needs your help!! RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #62

President Gohmert will be entirely your fault MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #76

We are making a sort of progress DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #81

Alternate headlines for this story wyldwolf Jun 2015 #67

I don't like to sow discord among brethren. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #84

Hahaha. She won't speak to the press so she's being hammered for it. Laser102 Jun 2015 #69

Thanks you for posting Cali, I just heard this reported on ABC radio news Purveyor Jun 2015 #74

Out with the old guard, and in with the new! NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #78

Bernie Sanders is the new guard? No, he's just a different old guard than Clinton. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #88

And Oh Man What a Difference That Is.... NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #98

Sure. I love New England accents. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #100

Well, I'm more policy driven NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #107

Sigh! HassleCat Jun 2015 #80

It's their modus operandi DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #89

But, she has a whopping 1% lead against Rand Paul! And, 3% over Rubio and Walker! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #91

And DU cheers ... loudly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #128

RW radio has really been on the offense in Hillary-bashing DrDan Jun 2015 #129

You might want to point this to DanTex nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #139

Polls don't mean shit plus we don't know who the nominee is on the clown car side bigdarryl Jun 2015 #136

it's funny... quickesst Jun 2015 #145

Well as I do not give a shit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #151

Regarding some of the replies I`ve read here, this is what I`d like to know..... democrank Jun 2015 #165