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In reply to the discussion: Poll: New speed bumps for Clinton [View all]jeff47
(26,549 posts)90. Did you know that spending on science and technology is killing people with their bedsheets?
http://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations
Restricting your list to endorsement by Senators is a fantastic way to lie with statistics. You're also picking the most meaningless endorsements. "Oh, a Senator from CA likes Clinton? Well that totally changes my vote in IA!"
How about total party endorsements? Might not tell the same story you want to tell.
Again, inevitability is not a good strategy once the race has started. It can be helpful in restricting the number of people who decide to run against you, but once you have opponents, "inevitable" does not work as well.
All of our heroic epics are one person or small band fighting against inevitability and winning. The Nazis victory was inevitable until Indiana Jones showed up. The Empire was crushing all opposition until Luke Skywalker showed up. Skynet was slaughtering humans until one human (or reprogrammed T-101) showed up over and over again. Those plucky hobbits destroyed Sauron's inevitable victory. There's no way a small band of people driving cars out of a plane can win, but they did it anyway in all the "The Fast and The Furious" movies. Jesus was one god-man fighting against the entire Roman Empire.
Culturally, we like underdogs. Especially on our side of the aisle. Running as inevitable means you are running on the opposite side of that. It helps energize your opponents and their volunteers. It's the exact opposite of what you want in a campaign.
Doing it after you already lost is even worse. Because there is proof you are not inevitable. "Nevermind the last Death Star got blown up. We're totally going to win with this new one!!"
Run as "this is going to be tough" even when you think you are inevitable. Start running against the Republicans early if your primary opponents are laughably inept.
Want proof? It's exactly what Clinton did in 2008 late in the campaign. And she did surprisingly well even though it was too late for Obama to lose. I have no idea why she didn't learn that lesson, but not learning from 2008 is one of my concerns about her as a candidate in 2016.
Restricting your list to endorsement by Senators is a fantastic way to lie with statistics. You're also picking the most meaningless endorsements. "Oh, a Senator from CA likes Clinton? Well that totally changes my vote in IA!"
How about total party endorsements? Might not tell the same story you want to tell.
Again, inevitability is not a good strategy once the race has started. It can be helpful in restricting the number of people who decide to run against you, but once you have opponents, "inevitable" does not work as well.
All of our heroic epics are one person or small band fighting against inevitability and winning. The Nazis victory was inevitable until Indiana Jones showed up. The Empire was crushing all opposition until Luke Skywalker showed up. Skynet was slaughtering humans until one human (or reprogrammed T-101) showed up over and over again. Those plucky hobbits destroyed Sauron's inevitable victory. There's no way a small band of people driving cars out of a plane can win, but they did it anyway in all the "The Fast and The Furious" movies. Jesus was one god-man fighting against the entire Roman Empire.
Culturally, we like underdogs. Especially on our side of the aisle. Running as inevitable means you are running on the opposite side of that. It helps energize your opponents and their volunteers. It's the exact opposite of what you want in a campaign.
Doing it after you already lost is even worse. Because there is proof you are not inevitable. "Nevermind the last Death Star got blown up. We're totally going to win with this new one!!"
Run as "this is going to be tough" even when you think you are inevitable. Start running against the Republicans early if your primary opponents are laughably inept.
Want proof? It's exactly what Clinton did in 2008 late in the campaign. And she did surprisingly well even though it was too late for Obama to lose. I have no idea why she didn't learn that lesson, but not learning from 2008 is one of my concerns about her as a candidate in 2016.
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Maybe the incessant and baseless attacks from the far left are actually having an effect.
DanTex
Jun 2015
#1
Well, if the left trashing Hillary is causing her numbers to change, there's only 2 things to conclude
whatchamacallit
Jun 2015
#61
I just looked up all the various logical fallacies, and your post qualifies for about three.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#86
Ya think?!? Or, it could be that damn Bernie clan stirring up trouble again (not).
InAbLuEsTaTe
Jun 2015
#125
Not sure that recalling her record qualifies as "incessant and baseless attacks" yet I'm
libdem4life
Jun 2015
#18
I never thought NYT was part of the communist party. Not sure what you are talking about.
DanTex
Jun 2015
#60
Well, that's an interesting disclosure. Odd that you previously referred to that one email as
DanTex
Jun 2015
#112
Yes, the "loop": that's where Republicans would rather run against Hillary than Bernie
DanTex
Jun 2015
#132
To be fair, it's kind of hard discussing the "facts" since you're not allowed to share them with
DanTex
Jun 2015
#156
Hmm, so voting doesn't matter, and yet I really need you because your vote is so
DanTex
Jun 2015
#176
Yep, people claiming that a "far left" news organization allowed Judith Miller to work for them...
cascadiance
Jun 2015
#188
I would agree with you if there were a viable non-Hillary candidate like we had in 08.
DanTex
Jun 2015
#142
Maybe it's because now there are a couple of other candidates running for the Democratic
Autumn
Jun 2015
#163
Or maybe she's not the strongest candidate after all, and needs to come up with actual policy
Warren DeMontague
Jun 2015
#190
"baseless attacks from the left" -- you mean like noting she has the blood of 1,000,000+
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#193
In order for Hillary to lose she will have to lose a greater percentage of the white vote since...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#20
I would never compare Hillary's skills to President Obama's political skills...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#51
I don't cheer corporations, but I've worked for small mom-and-pop businesses and was treated worse
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#39
When you suggest that Democrats who like Hillary aren't smart enough to know why they do...
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#185
Polls indicate that 85% or so of Democrats have a favorable opinion of Secretary Of State Clinton
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#187
It's a report on a CNN/ORK poll! That's ALL it is, here in the beginning of June, 2015 ...
ChisolmTrailDem
Jun 2015
#92
Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down
Hoyt
Jun 2015
#99
"I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down with a bunch of fabricated criticism"
ChisolmTrailDem
Jun 2015
#102
You may want to post a link, or else people will think you are plagiarizing. n/t
demmiblue
Jun 2015
#9
She's a weak campaigner. 2008 suggested that, this time it's becoming clear. nt
Romulox
Jun 2015
#16
Nixon was a lousy politician and he owns the largest pop vote EC vote landslide
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#40
Neither Nixon or Hillary would win a Mr. or Ms. Congeniality contest
DemocratSinceBirth
Jun 2015
#70
I think the call from Clinton operative from Bernie's crowds, "Some things in your mirror
libdem4life
Jun 2015
#22
I'm sure it will pop up...I don't keep links on Every Detail I Read. Not to worry. I don't lie.
libdem4life
Jun 2015
#43
Well, I don't think it was Sanders who said "Get Mrs. Clinton here." Where is your link, BTW?
libdem4life
Jun 2015
#46
Did you know that spending on science and technology is killing people with their bedsheets?
jeff47
Jun 2015
#90
No, Obama eventually had an organization and money that Bernie does not currently have.
jeff47
Jun 2015
#96
Bernie Sanders is the new guard? No, he's just a different old guard than Clinton.
Buzz Clik
Jun 2015
#88
But, she has a whopping 1% lead against Rand Paul! And, 3% over Rubio and Walker!
Tierra_y_Libertad
Jun 2015
#91
Polls don't mean shit plus we don't know who the nominee is on the clown car side
bigdarryl
Jun 2015
#136
Regarding some of the replies I`ve read here, this is what I`d like to know.....
democrank
Jun 2015
#165