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ChairmanAgnostic

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140. a couple of issues with your hope there.

Tue Jun 2, 2015, 01:41 PM

Jun 2015

1. Some people have serious reservations about her. I know I do.
2. Not everyone reads DU religiously and not everyone understands the subtle issues and differences between the candidates. (Hell, I have a bunch of neighbors that don't even get a paper delivered, and I have never seen a book in their homes.)
3. If we don't point out our concerns, we do a disservice to several entities
a. we do a disservice the the not well informed voter, who has no way to learn the problems with a candidate
b. we actually do a disservice to Hillary, because without that criticism, she has no chance to learn, grow, and improve as a candidate
c. we do a disservice to ourselves and our country. There were people who thought that W would actually govern from the Center, much like other pols who tacked right or left just to get elected. If they knew in advance just how scary his ideas actually were, how horrible his advisors (Cheney and so many others) would be, and how we would drop our defenses, allow a terrorist attack on the country, then lie and dissemble our country into a war that cost trillions, I doubt that W would have been elected.

No, we have a job to do, even if Bernie stays above the fray.

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Poll: New speed bumps for Clinton [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

Maybe the incessant and baseless attacks from the far left are actually having an effect. DanTex Jun 2015 #1

Impossible. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #5

Well, if the left trashing Hillary is causing her numbers to change, there's only 2 things to conclude whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #61

I just looked up all the various logical fallacies, and your post qualifies for about three. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #86

Obviously they're a subset of all possibilities whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #93

First, the comment wasn't mine. You just selected me to annoy. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #95

just what negative campaigning has Bernie done? ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #127

None! In fact, Bernie has pledged NOT to campaign negatively ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #134

a couple of issues with your hope there. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #140

All you are accomplishing is making people wish you would stop. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #150

repetition is one of the best ways to drive home a message. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #152

Yeah, well, I know a way to mute the sound. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #154

no skin off my nose. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #171

My hope? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #167

If only they would listen... Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #149

I never even mentioned him. Not once. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #144

Bernie Sanders is not immune to negative campaigning, cheapdate Jun 2015 #168

It's magic! Marr Jun 2015 #117

Maybe it's her behavior. cali Jun 2015 #7

+1 nt Javaman Jun 2015 #13

Ya think?!? Or, it could be that damn Bernie clan stirring up trouble again (not). InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #125

Occam's Razor at work. ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #130

maybe because of the email or the huge speaking fees karynnj Jun 2015 #15

Not sure that recalling her record qualifies as "incessant and baseless attacks" yet I'm libdem4life Jun 2015 #18

We can hope. morningfog Jun 2015 #19

Maybe her failure to clearly say where she stands on issues is hurting her? on point Jun 2015 #45

Yep DU has that effect on the US. L0oniX Jun 2015 #48

Hilarious, but predictable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #53

I wasn't talking about DU. DanTex Jun 2015 #55

That is your first mistake nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #59

I never thought NYT was part of the communist party. Not sure what you are talking about. DanTex Jun 2015 #60

You know what is hilarious nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #64

You seem to find a lot of things hilarious. DanTex Jun 2015 #68

THere is no far left in the country... well what there is nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #72

Sure there is. It just depends on what you mean by "far". DanTex Jun 2015 #77

I prefer to work with facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #85

All evidence to the contrary... DanTex Jun 2015 #94

There is a total of ONE email regarding the embassy nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #101

Well, that's an interesting disclosure. Odd that you previously referred to that one email as DanTex Jun 2015 #112

These responses to you are full of facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #115

If you say so! I guess your definition of "facts" is different too. DanTex Jun 2015 #123

Actually those who I know who are interested in facts nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #124

Yes, the "loop": that's where Republicans would rather run against Hillary than Bernie DanTex Jun 2015 #132

Oh it is adorable nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #138

To be fair, it's kind of hard discussing the "facts" since you're not allowed to share them with DanTex Jun 2015 #156

I gave you the ORIGINAL Material nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #158

Wait! I thought I had the last word! DanTex Jun 2015 #164

For number 2 tune in to Hannity nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #169

Of course, an independent: "views differ on shape of planet" -- Paul Krugman. DanTex Jun 2015 #172

Well I got no idea what it has to do with Krugman nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #173

He's the one who made that statement, mocking "Very Serious" people who DanTex Jun 2015 #174

Well I don't think voting makes a tinkers damn of difference nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #175

Hmm, so voting doesn't matter, and yet I really need you because your vote is so DanTex Jun 2015 #176

Actually I am not on any fence nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #177

Adorable! zappaman Jun 2015 #147

Gratuitous reference to the "far left".. frylock Jun 2015 #104

I can't... I will get liver damage if I do nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #106

I found it concise and descriptive. But if you have other suggestions I'm DanTex Jun 2015 #113

Conservatives find that term to be concise and descriptive.. frylock Jun 2015 #116

You don't have to come out and say it. Rex Jun 2015 #135

How can you stand this, Dan? Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #153

Ah yes nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #157

Yeah. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #159

Well thank you nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #170

Yes, they are kind of out there, you certainly have a point. DanTex Jun 2015 #160

"Blow in my ear, and I'll follow you anywhere." Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #162

Yep, people claiming that a "far left" news organization allowed Judith Miller to work for them... cascadiance Jun 2015 #188

This is why this is so damn entertaining nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #189

Far left?? From where?? RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #63

Far left? That sounds like 'Republican Speak' to me. jalan48 Jun 2015 #75

Only because it is. frylock Jun 2015 #109

This message was self-deleted by its author jalan48 Jun 2015 #111

That one stirs the shit all day long here. Rex Jun 2015 #133

He's been stirring the shit, practically since HRC announced she was running. Rex Jun 2015 #131

Let's hope so! raindaddy Jun 2015 #82

"Baseless." Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #103

if by 'baseless attacks' you mean 'looking at her record' magical thyme Jun 2015 #137

We predicted her erosion with independents... Chan790 Jun 2015 #141

I would agree with you if there were a viable non-Hillary candidate like we had in 08. DanTex Jun 2015 #142

Let's be honest. Chan790 Jun 2015 #146

Yes it is. Still, we have to make sure we beat them. DanTex Jun 2015 #155

Maybe it's because now there are a couple of other candidates running for the Democratic Autumn Jun 2015 #163

Or maybe she's not the strongest candidate after all, and needs to come up with actual policy Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #190

"baseless attacks from the left" -- you mean like noting she has the blood of 1,000,000+ KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #193

Does that make you -- and the other swiftboaters -- dance with glee? Hoyt Jun 2015 #2

It makes me thankful we still have a chance to nominate Bernie GummyBearz Jun 2015 #3

The nomination might, watching a Tbagger take office, not so much. Hoyt Jun 2015 #6

That is if you can convince the 76% of Democrats for whom HRC... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #12

first, hoyt, being called names by a corporate cheering "democrat" cali Jun 2015 #10

In order for Hillary to lose she will have to lose a greater percentage of the white vote since... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #20

You're assuming people will vote in the same numbers. Calista241 Jun 2015 #47

I would never compare Hillary's skills to President Obama's political skills... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #51

I don't cheer corporations, but I've worked for small mom-and-pop businesses and was treated worse Hoyt Jun 2015 #39

lol. sure, hoyt. uh huh. cali Jun 2015 #126

It's not "swiftboating" LWolf Jun 2015 #17

Barring an act of God she will be our nominee... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #24

That is if they are as committed to her as you are. zeemike Jun 2015 #97

That's odd... Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #105

It is the same script nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #110

My buddy always talks about having skin in the game. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #114

Hah! That's the most overreactive overreaction I've seen in a while. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #119

At least I didn't pull a Romney and offer to bet you $10,000.00 DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #120

This is the same rhetoric and air of entitlement as in '08 CANDO Jun 2015 #161

I am not instructing but predicting. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #166

I certainly hope we can LWolf Jun 2015 #182

They Have known her for twenty five years.... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #183

No. LWolf Jun 2015 #184

When you suggest that Democrats who like Hillary aren't smart enough to know why they do... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #185

I didn't suggest that. LWolf Jun 2015 #186

Polls indicate that 85% or so of Democrats have a favorable opinion of Secretary Of State Clinton DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #187

Try to get your numbers straight. LWolf Jun 2015 #191

Nothing but the truth... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #192

What a shitty goddamned thing to say!! Fuck that shit! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #83

Whataya call it? Hoyt Jun 2015 #87

It's a report on a CNN/ORK poll! That's ALL it is, here in the beginning of June, 2015 ... ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #92

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down Hoyt Jun 2015 #99

"I'm talking about the swiftboaters trying to bring her down with a bunch of fabricated criticism" ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #102

All the 'Not Hillary' Party is interested in is tearing down. nt onehandle Jun 2015 #4

bullshit cali Jun 2015 #11

Not at all. LWolf Jun 2015 #21

Agreed. All they want to do is tear down ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jun 2015 #25

Yep. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34

as they and their predecessors have wanted for the last 80 years wyldwolf Jun 2015 #180

She is a rockstar in the party and just keeps going. Such a fighter. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #8

You may want to post a link, or else people will think you are plagiarizing. n/t demmiblue Jun 2015 #9

One poll makes you larger. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #14

poll after poll is indicating the same trend cali Jun 2015 #23

But the ones that cali gives you... OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #26

LOL Jefferson Airplane, good one. bahrbearian Jun 2015 #31

Go ask Skinner MohRokTah Jun 2015 #35

HaaaHaaaHaaa..!!! On a roll this morning..LMAO misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #52

She's a weak campaigner. 2008 suggested that, this time it's becoming clear. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #16

She is not very good at all. earthside Jun 2015 #33

Nixon was a lousy politician and he owns the largest pop vote EC vote landslide DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #40

Great comparison. earthside Jun 2015 #42

I should have been more precise. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #57

You made the comparison with Nixon. earthside Jun 2015 #65

Neither Nixon or Hillary would win a Mr. or Ms. Congeniality contest DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #70

You're a piece of work. earthside Jun 2015 #121

I thought I was being magnanimous. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #122

I think the call from Clinton operative from Bernie's crowds, "Some things in your mirror libdem4life Jun 2015 #22

For all the size of the crowds... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #27

Just quoting one of her operatives. It was in the MSM. libdem4life Jun 2015 #28

Link? eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #37

I'm sure it will pop up...I don't keep links on Every Detail I Read. Not to worry. I don't lie. libdem4life Jun 2015 #43

Okay, so it wasn't reported the way you claim. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #44

Well, I don't think it was Sanders who said "Get Mrs. Clinton here." Where is your link, BTW? libdem4life Jun 2015 #46

. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #50

Thanks...that's the one. libdem4life Jun 2015 #54

it also speaks volumes about her "haughty, I am entitled" approach ChairmanAgnostic Jun 2015 #143

Good catch...I missed that...just saw the mini-panic in the wording. libdem4life Jun 2015 #148

She lost a >30% lead in 2008. I'm confident she can do better this time. (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #29

Did they repeal the 22nd Amendment ? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #30

Obama isn't superman. jeff47 Jun 2015 #32

She went on to win nearly 50% of the primary and caucus vote DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #38

Which demonstrates that Obama was not superman. jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

I don't understand the argument DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #49

That's 'cause you're busy trying to teleport Sanders to 2008. jeff47 Jun 2015 #58

You completely ignored her DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #66

I ignored them because they are not that important. jeff47 Jun 2015 #71

"She had the same advantages in 2008." DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #73

Did you know that spending on science and technology is killing people with their bedsheets? jeff47 Jun 2015 #90

We are arguing on parallel tracks. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #118

The difference is you're believing polling that is wrong 90% of the time. jeff47 Jun 2015 #178

May i just correct you for a second nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #179

We are at an impasse... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #181

But Obama had an organization and money that Bernie does not have hack89 Jun 2015 #79

No, Obama eventually had an organization and money that Bernie does not currently have. jeff47 Jun 2015 #96

By the end of May he had raised $61M. HRC had raised $63M. hack89 Jun 2015 #108

<snip> 23% of those polled said they want to be a fire truck underpants Jun 2015 #36

I doubt these results. Orsino Jun 2015 #56

Come on all you hard-working white Americans! She needs your help!! RufusTFirefly Jun 2015 #62

President Gohmert will be entirely your fault MannyGoldstein Jun 2015 #76

We are making a sort of progress DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #81

Alternate headlines for this story wyldwolf Jun 2015 #67

I don't like to sow discord among brethren. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #84

Hahaha. She won't speak to the press so she's being hammered for it. Laser102 Jun 2015 #69

Thanks you for posting Cali, I just heard this reported on ABC radio news Purveyor Jun 2015 #74

Out with the old guard, and in with the new! NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #78

Bernie Sanders is the new guard? No, he's just a different old guard than Clinton. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #88

And Oh Man What a Difference That Is.... NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #98

Sure. I love New England accents. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #100

Well, I'm more policy driven NorthCarolina Jun 2015 #107

Sigh! HassleCat Jun 2015 #80

It's their modus operandi DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #89

But, she has a whopping 1% lead against Rand Paul! And, 3% over Rubio and Walker! Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #91

And DU cheers ... loudly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #128

RW radio has really been on the offense in Hillary-bashing DrDan Jun 2015 #129

You might want to point this to DanTex nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #139

Polls don't mean shit plus we don't know who the nominee is on the clown car side bigdarryl Jun 2015 #136

it's funny... quickesst Jun 2015 #145

Well as I do not give a shit nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #151

Regarding some of the replies I`ve read here, this is what I`d like to know..... democrank Jun 2015 #165