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fasttense

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96. I agree somewhat
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 12:51 PM
Jun 2015

No, I don't want the government to own all the means of production like capitalist do now. I think it would and did (using the USSR as an example) end up corrupting the government officials and all levels of government. The initial idea in Russia before the dictators took over, was for the state to own the means of production. State officials took over the roles of capitalists and owners. The worker in a factory was doing the exact same thing before and after the communist revolution. The difference was only in who his boss was. Instead of a capitalist it was a communist official who ran the factory. They thought if the government officials were corrupt, then they would be voted out. They didn't realize that much money and control in the hands of a few was very corrupting. To the point that their voting process became corrupt much like ours is today.

So what I am proposing is that neither the government nor the capitalist owns the means of production. The workers in mass would own it and control it. Whoever worked there, would get a say in every aspect of the business. For 4 days a week they would do their jobs, and on the 5th day they would do all the voting, deciding on policies, committees and deciding what to do with the profits.

Yes there are greedy and evil people everywhere. Yes, some of them will try and take over. But if everyone who works there gets a vote, then those greedy evil people will for the most part be kept in check. Because the really big money will be in the really big corporations and they would have a huge number of people to con in order to take over. Now they would probably get to corrupt some of the smaller businesses but eventually they would be caught.

This is NOT utopia I'm describing. There will still be nonprofits and government functions and free enterprise. Too many people equate free enterprise with capitalism. The only difference would be that workers NOT corporate CEOs and board of directors would run and own all businesses.

I would add to this that farming needs to be looked at as a government function or at least not a profit making business. Our current farming systems are destroying our planet. We need to encourage farmers to grow sustainable with the future of the planet in the forefront of their plans. Right now it is a free for all. Huge corporations run huge machines in vast waste lands of mono-crops, killing birds, fish, frogs, bees, butterflies and anything else that gets in their way. They ship those crops huge distances to get better prices while at the same time we ship in just as much to feed our own citizens. This is a huge waste of fuel and is destroying our planet.

The more problems you can dump onto the environment the more money you make. Corporate farms horribly abuse livestock routinely because it makes them lots and lots of money. Keeping living creature locked away in dark dank barns is sooooo much easier than tending to their needs twice a day and rotating them in and out of pastures. If profit is your primary motive, than you will be a lousy farmer but make lots of money. Everyone should have access to unadulterated foods without chemicals, poisons and abuse of animals. It can be done but not if the primary motive is profit. So, I believe we need to consider farming like we do fire departments and police - A government function. Pay the farmers a living wage. Set up standards for them and distribute the food to the people who are in the area.

Ok, I also think food should be free. Maybe not luxury items like chocolate cake....but that's for another discussion.

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For those wondering where it went... jeff47 May 2015 #1
+1 Buzz Clik May 2015 #3
+ 1,000 n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #4
It's America's fault FrodosPet May 2015 #5
Chomsky couldn't have said it better himself. Nt hughee99 May 2015 #7
You really come up with some good ones. Wish I could think that fast!! 7962 Jun 2015 #63
Exactly Aerows May 2015 #23
Yes. I actually thought it was already gone last year. NaturalHigh May 2015 #26
The Soviets' final gift to the region. At the heart of the loss of the Aral Sea? Buzz Clik May 2015 #2
It brings another meaning to the saying, "Cotton Kills." HuckleB May 2015 #13
You should read the whole article- forced labor for cotton snooper2 Jun 2015 #46
I did. I'm not sure why you though otherwise. HuckleB Jun 2015 #50
Tom Cotton anyway. nt valerief Jun 2015 #48
Don't be sad Vault Dweller! Rex May 2015 #6
That's why I prefer my dystopian nightmares underwater. Warren DeMontague May 2015 #8
The last one was in the sky and on rails. Rex May 2015 #9
Sorry for the Vault Dweller? Imagine how the Lone Wanderer must feel. NuclearDem May 2015 #11
True but without the Vault Dweller, there would have been no Chosen One. Rex May 2015 #12
Pfft. We got robots in Vegas to take care of your damn NCR. jeff47 May 2015 #24
no need for your robots Amishman Jun 2015 #72
Oh, you're one of those Independent Vegas types. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #73
I read that Nat Geo article about an hour ago BumRushDaShow May 2015 #10
No, no, no, it can't be from human activity, according to Sen. "Snowball" Inhofe. tclambert May 2015 #14
this was not climate change ProdigalJunkMail May 2015 #20
It's still humans changing God's world . . . according to scientists. tclambert May 2015 #29
So, if they just undivert the water... Helen Borg May 2015 #15
No idea. I was wondering the same. n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #17
The opposite happened in California project_bluebook May 2015 #21
And that's drying up too. progressoid May 2015 #37
yeah but the Salton Sea wasn't natural body of water CreekDog Jun 2015 #54
It would take a very long time. jeff47 May 2015 #27
Here is what happened with pictures mrdmk May 2015 #33
Note Vozrozdenhiya Island... BlueEye Jun 2015 #94
No. Rich cottoners would lose money then. nt valerief Jun 2015 #49
And thousands of Uzbek farmers starve to death Warpy Jun 2015 #78
This one you can't blame on capitalism or corporations. 1939 May 2015 #16
Yep!!! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #18
Damned communists! project_bluebook May 2015 #19
Actually it is a result of State Based Capitalism. blackspade Jun 2015 #53
I was thinking the same thing fasttense Jun 2015 #55
Putting the decision making authority in the hands of the workers FrodosPet Jun 2015 #69
It's called democracy in the workplace. blackspade Jun 2015 #83
So, a free market enterprise with employee ownership FrodosPet Jun 2015 #87
You would have the workers, the employees decide how the businesses fasttense Jun 2015 #90
So we replace capitalist greed and bribery with socialist greed and bribery? FrodosPet Jun 2015 #95
I agree somewhat fasttense Jun 2015 #96
In that case nothing should ever be for sale. 7962 Jun 2015 #64
K & R n/t malaise May 2015 #22
Juxtaposition, ships of the desert Brother Buzz May 2015 #25
That's one hell of a photograph. nt Codeine May 2015 #28
Great picture. Paka May 2015 #30
Wow! n/t RKP5637 May 2015 #32
Great photo and title. geardaddy Jun 2015 #51
Great pic. One of those that tells a story in a single frame. pinto Jun 2015 #56
"...once-prosperous fishing industry..." Eleanors38 Jun 2015 #65
Do not become addicted to water. It will take hold of you and you will resent its absence Scootaloo May 2015 #31
Nice! Paulie Jun 2015 #45
Well played, Imperator Scootaloo. nt Codeine Jun 2015 #93
Yeah, what a good idea, Snobblevitch May 2015 #34
agreed. I'm sure Mexico would have preferred we hadn't diverted the Colorado River magical thyme Jun 2015 #41
I don't know if anyone will blame Russia Snobblevitch Jun 2015 #43
Or the Rio Grande. zeemike Jun 2015 #52
re the Rio Grande SCantiGOP Jun 2015 #61
Well, it's in the courts, but look for the last wild river in NM, in the Gila Gloria Jun 2015 #97
+1 Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #91
Kick. Agschmid May 2015 #35
Beats me why we need more cotton KentuckyWoman May 2015 #36
No, you don't get it... brooklynite May 2015 #38
Well can't the Russians just get cotton from all the stuff we send to Africa? KentuckyWoman May 2015 #39
I don't know the real reason for these canals specifically JonLP24 Jun 2015 #42
So we should stop sending stuff to Africa. Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #57
I don't know about you but I found Air Uzbekistan to be the scariest airline ever.... EX500rider Jun 2015 #79
We flew Aeroflot in and out... brooklynite Jun 2015 #80
YAk-40's first flew in 1966... EX500rider Jun 2015 #81
Yes, believe it or not the Ilyushin 114 is a lot newer than the Yak-40. BlueEye Jun 2015 #92
You can't spin thread from busted short cotton fibers Brother Buzz May 2015 #40
Not to be hardheaded but KentuckyWoman Jun 2015 #88
I suppose they could extrude it with some sort of resin to hold it all together Brother Buzz Jun 2015 #89
Hemp would make better jeans than cotton. Less water too. 7962 Jun 2015 #66
F**kin Hippy... DirtyHippyBastard Jun 2015 #77
The split-off northern portion still exists, and it has recovered a bit recently. John1956PA Jun 2015 #44
Now noted on maps as the Aral Saw. nt valerief Jun 2015 #47
That Was Rascally Leith Jun 2015 #59
We have known this was happening for decades yet none of us in the western world Cleita Jun 2015 #58
Rich folks gotta get richer and pigs gotta oink. nt valerief Jun 2015 #60
Russia diverted the water that feeds the lake for agricultrual use. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #62
This is an international problem. No country in the world should be Cleita Jun 2015 #74
Yes, anyone want to talk about the Colorado River and the Gulf of California? yellowcanine Jun 2015 #98
"get Russia some help"? Gimme a break. 7962 Jun 2015 #67
So I guess you would rather we throw drones at them and Cleita Jun 2015 #75
That was inevitable. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #71
This is another sad cometary on the human condition. StarzGuy Jun 2015 #68
Humans could fix that environment we broke. hunter Jun 2015 #70
If they can do it in the USA...why not the Aral Sea? Xolodno Jun 2015 #76
Hey!!! That looks just like the Salton Sea, bvar22 Jun 2015 #82
Yep, another brilliant engineering effort, NOT! RKP5637 Jun 2015 #84
But at one time, that place ROCKED. I've seen some clips from the 20s & 30s. bvar22 Jun 2015 #85
Here's an interesting link! RKP5637 Jun 2015 #86
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