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LittleBlue

(10,362 posts)
25. I think racial economic disparity isn't fixable with laws
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 04:33 PM
Jun 2015

We've tried for 60 years to fix it, created literally mountains of laws at federal and state level, and yet black wealth is actually the same or worse today than 60 years ago.

I've heard "well, wait until whites are the minority" as if that's going to change anything. Black South Africans today own about the same or less wealth than they did when Apartheid ended. Having an overwhelming black majority in parliament has done nothing to fix the black-white wealth disparity in South Africa.

Blacks can make income gains but whatever wealth they accumulate is offset by increasingly sophisticated debt instruments. In other words, black income gains benefit banks as horrendously awful credit card terms suck wealth out of the black community. Normally such an underprivileged group would receive investment as outside financiers seek to exploit low wages, and through these exploitative arrangements the disadvantaged community would learn skills necessary to start black businesses. That isn't happening because black areas are notoriously unstable and unsafe. The few blacks who do "make it" leave their communities for white communities at light speed.

Which forces me to conclude that if we continue this way, nothing will change. We can pass programs that make us feel good but fundamentally change nothing in the macro sense.

So there are three possible outcomes:

1) Nothing changes. This disparity continues forever (or basically for our lifetimes and several generations afterward)

2) The black community is radically restructured to end black and white separatism. In other words, black society as a separate culture is ended. No one really has the courage to even propose this. It might not even be constitutional. It might not work. And let's be honest, powerful people are satisfied with the current arrangement. Too much pride and money is at stake.

3) Intermarriage. The root cause of this problem is tribalism. Nothing will really change until those "others" are viewed as part of "us". Until whites see blacks as part of their tribe rather than separate, every law will have a loophole. A law can be made to keep equal hiring practices. But no law can force white financial institutions to make game-changing investments into the black community. That can only come from social change and self-interest. Self-interest in the sense that what happens to black people isn't a tragedy that happens to "them", it happens to poeple who look a lot like our spouses, children, in-laws and grandchildren. We would gain a personal stake in a fight that has, for too long, happened at so great a distance that we don't feel affected.


That's how I see it

"these movements are different facets of one fight"... Romulox Jun 2015 #1
Excellent catch! ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #3
Your responses baffle me. There is virtually no connection between them and the broader context Romulox Jun 2015 #5
Ok. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #7
"these movements are different facets of one fight" is a quote from the OP. Romulox Jun 2015 #8
Yeah I got that ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #9
It's also how the discussion has been "bifurcated in unnecessary ways." It's quoted *in your OP*. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #10
Yes I read the article ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #12
But you seem to disagree with it, or, disagree with the people who agree with it. Confusing. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #13
The article is about income disparities for POC ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #15
And why economic justice and social justice are one in the same. The so-called "conflict" is bogus. Romulox Jun 2015 #16
How do you propose addressing institutionalized racism and economic injustice? ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #17
I don't claim to have all the answers. I just know we need to do both or it's ultimately futile. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #18
Now we're getting somewhere ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #19
Exactly. whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #14
I have also found the social/economic split on DU surreal daredtowork Jun 2015 #2
That's my take on it as well. cui bono Jun 2015 #4
One can't be subsumed by the other however ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #6
They aren't dismissed daredtowork Jun 2015 #30
Er. Ok. ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #35
You don't think it's possible gollygee Jun 2015 #39
Of course it's possible daredtowork Jun 2015 #40
SAD Mr Dixon Jun 2015 #11
The more you understand how our society works, the more you see how Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #20
Well said ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #21
I couldn't be in more agreement. Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #23
Exactly, generational-time problems ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #24
Actually, racist leaning communities tend to commit civil torts Baitball Blogger Jun 2015 #31
plus 1 Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #22
I think racial economic disparity isn't fixable with laws LittleBlue Jun 2015 #25
are you really saying hill2016 Jun 2015 #26
They will keep a piece like every other immigrant community LittleBlue Jun 2015 #27
bs. black american culture is already popular and even dominant JI7 Jun 2015 #28
You mean the culture white music execs commercialized and made a fortune from? LittleBlue Jun 2015 #29
exactly .had nothing to do with cultural integration JI7 Jun 2015 #36
You lost me LittleBlue Jun 2015 #38
oh hill2016 Jun 2015 #32
No, because we caused it LittleBlue Jun 2015 #33
That's what I meant about the criminal courts ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #34
Reparations could help a lot LittleBlue Jun 2015 #37
Right wing economics and trade deals AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #41
Economics is used as a tool of racism BrotherIvan Jun 2015 #42
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