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Mr. Robot

(39 posts)
90. I'm not interested in her SuperPAC dedicated to "defending Clinton's record"
Tue Jun 2, 2015, 11:00 PM
Jun 2015

I'm interested in her current stances on key issues.

I'm questioning her continued silence on TPP, fracking, Keystone and many more.

Bernie has been accessible to everyone on a daily basis. Clinton is starting to act eerily similar to George W. Bush, with "handpicked" audience and "grassroots" support requiring a minimum of $1,000 to be a part of it.

What Clinton fails to recognize is that the "grassroots" that she seeks are those who are associates of rich bankers or something. Not the real and disappearing middle class. Bernie shows that he doesn't have a minimum, just your support and love. That's what I like about Bernie. He's always consistent. Hillary is drawing possibly the Democratic majority, but it is *NOT* one the largest voting bloc - it's the Independents.. Bernie is gaining a large amount of that. That is a fact. Another fact is that many disaffected and apathetic voters are perking up on the real thing, not some "focus group" handpicked, specifically for a section of a class that is rapidly shrinking but gaining too much wealth. I am talking of the 1% having the same amount of cash as ONE HUNDRED AND THIRTY MILLION other Americans, I find it completely wrong.

Hillary a left liberal? I don't think so. She is a slightly right authoritarian by definition.

One must remember, that the Democratic Party has drifted to the right for the last 30 years, that anything considered "far-left" ideas are actually MAINSTREAM ideas. It's the right of center that has gone too far. I'm not attacking Clinton in any way, but just observing that that is where Hillary Clinton is really at. Her ideas may be good, but it's not the kind of ideas I want, from a candidate that 1) Failed to keep her 2008 lead and eventually lose. 2) Has drifted to the right since 1992, with her voting issues still relevant such as her Iraq War Resolution vote that is still causing sectarian violence in Iraq today and 3) She is about as exciting as watching NASCAR for a few hours. Exciting in the beginning, boring in the middle, and just about half an exciting at the end, and always plenty of wrecks in the middle.

At the end, I want to vote for someone with his or her heart and ideals in the right place, and the right environment to represent a new set of ideas, and that's why everyone is excited. Hillary can't even create that kind of spark. In 2004, Howard Dean created a kind of spark, but fell flat at the end, but he did get people interested in voting, and was very successful with his 50 state strategy that brought the Democratic wave in 2006 and again in 2008, ushering in Obama. If Bernie can create that spark and sustain it, then the turnout will heavily favor the Democratic Party, but we all have to work together to make it happen.


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Kick. Agschmid Jun 2015 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author 1000words Jun 2015 #2
Bye! Agschmid Jun 2015 #3
Agreed... MattSh Jun 2015 #45
I thought she was a Bernie fan darkangel218 Jun 2015 #49
She is a he... Agschmid Jun 2015 #88
Question: Are you spamming the board now? Bonobo Jun 2015 #4
Posting someone's policy positions is SPAM now? Agschmid Jun 2015 #5
The way you're doing it? Yes, absolutely. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #6
Oh sorry, I thought I was allowed to discuss. Agschmid Jun 2015 #8
Cutting and pasting is "discussing"? nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #10
Worse things have been posted on this board, I'm sure you know. Agschmid Jun 2015 #12
You are flooding the board. Bonobo Jun 2015 #15
Actually SPAM usually looks like this... Agschmid Jun 2015 #16
I've given my opinion. No need to discuss further. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #18
Plenty of reason to discuss further....there are 10s of posts made just like OP's every day Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #20
Not 10 by the same person, in the same hour, all in CAPS and with no comment. Bonobo Jun 2015 #37
Sometimes SPAM looks like this too... Agschmid Jun 2015 #25
It would be funny if everybody suddenly started 10 threads in all caps Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #17
EVERYONE WOULD BE YELLING! Agschmid Jun 2015 #27
Seriously. Don't they teach this or have a briefing or something when they sign you up? Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #60
LOL. Looks like the Hillary bashers were bluffing when they said they wanted to talk DanTex Jun 2015 #48
She certainly doesn't have the entirely negative record some think she does. Agschmid Jun 2015 #51
Hardly. I remember the criticism at the time of her proposed increases Warpy Jun 2015 #76
SO, posting policy positions is "spamming," but posting BS attacks over and over isn't? Adrahil Jun 2015 #54
I have the board spammers on ignore ismnotwasm Jun 2015 #61
Wow! "Correct the Record" I'm so grateful for all this information.. It's telling the real Cha Jun 2015 #7
You should see the PM's I am getting... yikes! Agschmid Jun 2015 #9
bad ones? Cha Jun 2015 #13
Ah... yup. That's an understandment. Agschmid Jun 2015 #14
Good you had a nice conversation with one person! I really don't like it Cha Jun 2015 #22
And, of course.. there are those who can't handle the facts of Hillary's record so they want Cha Jun 2015 #11
Of course, the Hillary supporters murielm99 Jun 2015 #19
Yeah thats a smokescreen workinclasszero Jun 2015 #21
One thing that amuses me AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #23
I wasn't really here last time around but yes I do think people's opinions change. Agschmid Jun 2015 #28
A complete 180 AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #30
If they want to "spilt the party in two".. then they don't want to win. They're not in it to win. Cha Jun 2015 #26
Oh, yeah.. that's why the OP is posting all these information fact-packed Hillary OPs.. he was tired Cha Jun 2015 #24
I really am. Agschmid Jun 2015 #29
And, they're only enforcing your point by getting on your threads and doing what they do. Cha Jun 2015 #32
That was sort of the plan all along... Agschmid Jun 2015 #33
They're so easy. Cha Jun 2015 #35
Thanks, night Cha. Agschmid Jun 2015 #36
WTF? murielm99 Jun 2015 #59
What are talking about? "back off"? You said.. Cha Jun 2015 #87
I'm not interested in her SuperPAC dedicated to "defending Clinton's record" Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #90
Oh hey again. Agschmid Jun 2015 #91
Kick it again.. since his reply to me wasn't the one I was hoping for.. I want to kick this some Cha Jun 2015 #92
I'm happy to kick it again. Why? Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #93
I'd prefer more threads like this about ALL the D candidates... Adrahil Jun 2015 #56
In 2008 you considered Hillary to be "morally depraved" Autumn Jun 2015 #66
hmm, more things out of context? That was a thread about Obama vs. Clinton R B Garr Jun 2015 #68
I posted the exact words, even the link. Autumn Jun 2015 #69
Okay. That just looked like a comment in relation to Obama vs. Clinton 2008 long R B Garr Jun 2015 #75
Well if it looked like a 'comment in relation to Obama vs. Clinton' Autumn Jun 2015 #80
The linked thread itself was about the 2008 primaries, and the comment was in that thread, R B Garr Jun 2015 #83
and... bunnies Jun 2015 #70
I'm not putting down or calling anyone out. I just wanted to know Autumn Jun 2015 #71
I think its a fair question. bunnies Jun 2015 #72
To my mind I really see no difference between Obama and Hillary Autumn Jun 2015 #77
I can understand that. bunnies Jun 2015 #81
Bernie is the real deal and exactly what we need at this time. Autumn Jun 2015 #82
Yes I was pissed at her. I think she's learned a lot since Mark Penn was running her campaign.. Cha Jun 2015 #89
K&R. Thank you for posting this lunamagica Jun 2015 #31
It's not bad, I came out in 7th grade so this is nothing. Agschmid Jun 2015 #34
Well, I'm glad you are informing this board lunamagica Jun 2015 #38
Had to come and K & R this after serving on a jury that voted 7-0 to leave it. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #39
Somebody alerted on this? Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #40
Can you believe it? AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #41
Yup. Amazing, isn't it? SunSeeker Jun 2015 #43
Oh, where's that violin? Someone can't stand to see positive Hillary threads is what it's all Cha Jun 2015 #94
One man's spam is another man's treasure. SunSeeker Jun 2015 #95
There ya go! Cha Jun 2015 #96
That source is a Hillary rapid response group LittleBlue Jun 2015 #42
Your questions answered -- TM99 Jun 2015 #46
It is. Agschmid Jun 2015 #52
Whoever the nominee is will NEED one. Adrahil Jun 2015 #57
So, just to get this straight, her te as First Lady is Exilednight Jun 2015 #44
Like Hillary but ALL CAPS = hide thread. n/t pampango Jun 2015 #47
The headline reflects the graphic logo....it is an exception to the rule, I would think. Fred Sanders Jun 2015 #55
K&R! hrmjustin Jun 2015 #50
Some say they want to talk issues. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #53
Morning kick. Agschmid Jun 2015 #58
Wait, didn't you claim to be a Bernie supporter? whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #62
I am. Agschmid Jun 2015 #63
Lol. whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #64
At this point I couldn't care less what people think. Agschmid Jun 2015 #65
+ a bazillion n/t horseshoecrab Jun 2015 #67
+1 Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #79
You can support one person without trashing another. Lancero Jun 2015 #73
Yup. Agschmid Jun 2015 #74
Thank you. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #78
kick & recommended. William769 Jun 2015 #84
KnR sheshe2 Jun 2015 #85
It is sad when some can not see the forest for the trees, in this case the forest apparently Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #86
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