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johnlucas

(1,250 posts)
Fri May 11, 2012, 11:21 PM May 2012

My post on a Yahoo! news story "Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays" [View all]

I made this post on an Associated Press story placed on Yahoo! News detailing my disgust with Black people's opinions on gays marrying.
I'm Black myself & I see it as the ultimate in hypocrisy ESPECIALLY since—as the Trayvon Martin situation proved—we don't fully have a grasp on obtaining equal rights & protections OURSELVES.
(see story about some gun range selling Trayvon Martin-inspired shooting targets with bullseye on hoodie, Skittles & iced tea in pocket. Report: Trayvon Martin gun range targets were sold online)

Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays
http://news.yahoo.com/many-blacks-shrug-off-obamas-view-gays-221003333.html

Excerpts from article

Like many black Americans, Dorsey Jackson does not believe in gay marriage, but he wasn't disillusioned when Barack Obama became the first president to support it. The windows of his suburban Philadelphia barbershop still display an "Obama 2012" placard and another that reads "We've Got His Back."

If Obama needs to endorse same-sex marriage to be re-elected, said Jackson, so be it: "Look, man — by any means necessary."

Black voters and especially black churches have long opposed gay marriage. But the 40-year-old barber and other African-Americans interviewed in politically key states say their support for Obama remains unshaken.

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"Obama is human," said Leon Givens of Charlotte, N.C. "I don't have him on a pedestal."

On Tuesday, Givens voted in favor of banning gay marriage in North Carolina. Many black precincts voted 2-1 for the ballot measure, which passed easily.

But this fall, Givens plans to register Obama voters and drive senior citizens to the polls. A retired human resources manager, he suspects the president's pronouncement was "more a political thing than his true feelings." But he's not dwelling on it.

"We can agree to disagree on gay marriage," Givens said, "and then I leave him alone."

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Mel Brown, a 65-year-old project manager in Philadelphia, says same-sex marriage "is between them and their God. The God I serve does not agree with that."

Does Obama's announcement change Brown's support for the president? "Absolutely not. Because Scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."

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Tanyeo Wotorson, a film producer and director in New York City, supports Obama's new position and said prohibitions on same-sex marriage "return to that time when whites could send people to the back of the bus and women couldn't vote."

Darian Aaron, a gay black man, acknowledges that there are differences between black issues and gay rights, but "at its core both groups are seeking to gain access to full equality under the law."

Even if Obama had not supported same-sex marriage, Aaron said he still would have voted for him because the president has signaled his support in other ways and Romney strongly opposes gay marriage.

Aaron laments that "many within the black community find it nearly impossible to see gay rights through any lens other than biblical." But he finds hope in the statistics showing black people becoming more accepting and says that may be because they've gotten to know gays and lesbians, which breaks down stereotypes.

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The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a giant of the civil rights movement who delivered the benediction at Obama's inauguration, said he agrees with Obama on gay marriage.

"I believe in equal rights," Lowery said. "You can't believe in equal rights for some. That's an oxymoron."

However: "Do I like it? I'm uncomfortable with it," said Lowery, 90. "We grew up under boy-girl, man-woman, courtship and marriage."


My comment in response to this article

I'm Black (& straight) & I'm disappointed that many of my people don't see the parallels between the disenfranchisement of Gays & the disenfranchisement of Blacks. Oppressors used the Bible to justify our slavery in the 1700s & 1800s. The cursed Hamites who were born to be a servant class was the mentality of the time. It was wrong then & it is wrong now. There is none of the Ten Commandments that says "Thou Shalt Not Gay". You're not supposed to eat shrimp or wear mixed fabrics & women are always supposed to have their heads covered up according to The Bible™.

Well, America ain't no theocracy so screw what The Bible says. It says "Thou Shalt Not Kill" too but this is one of most warring nations on Earth. People use that book to justify their crap & oppress others they don't like. Gays marrying is simply a Civil Rights issue so Blacks should be THE LAST people trying to oppose that inequity. It ain't been but about 40 years since Martin was gunned down & Blacks wanna act brand new about equal rights. Hell, personally I think marriage is antiquated & obsolete. Us straight folks prove it everyday with the high divorce rate & even higher marriage misery rate for those who stay together. But EVERYBODY should have the right to marry if they want to marry. End of discussion. No more Bible-based bigotry. Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere."
Blacks don't have the luxury of playing this oppressor role.

John Lucas
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"Obama is human, I don't have him on a pedestal." Zalatix May 2012 #1
If I had the power to influence a larger circle I would give that speech. johnlucas May 2012 #8
Well said, sir. hifiguy May 2012 #2
You gotta make it hit home, man johnlucas May 2012 #4
I have no doubt that were MLK still with us, hifiguy May 2012 #5
As a matter of fact, he was addressing economic inequality before he was murdered johnlucas May 2012 #38
Everyone not part of the 1% needs to maintain solidarity hifiguy May 2012 #77
what percentage of the black vote did Kendrick Meek get ? how about Andrew Cuomo ? JI7 May 2012 #3
Why do such a high percentage of black voters oppose same sex marriage? SunSeeker May 2012 #6
because many of them are religious and go to church regularly JI7 May 2012 #9
but why are more blacks "religious?" nt StarryNight May 2012 #108
not sure but probably has to do with slavery and other history of blacks in the US JI7 May 2012 #109
Bible Belt nonsense & just your everyday garden-variety fear & paranoia johnlucas May 2012 #12
So it's basically a matter of lack of education? SunSeeker May 2012 #14
Unfortunately it's not so much a lack of education, vaberella May 2012 #20
it's the same as white people who oppose gay marriage, what's so hard to understand? HiPointDem May 2012 #30
I think the point is about percentages ruggerson May 2012 #62
Then why aren't the percentages the same? SunSeeker May 2012 #73
A "the fuck" men!!! I just said that. n/t vaberella May 2012 #19
Wish I could rec this post. Jazzgirl May 2012 #88
Most Blacks belong to evangelical churches (Baptist and Methodist, mainly). Odin2005 May 2012 #82
the usual Bible Bullshit Skittles May 2012 #99
thank you for this post. iemitsu May 2012 #7
exactly and very well said moreover azurnoir May 2012 #10
Many black precincts voted 2-1 for the ballot measure AlbertCat May 2012 #11
"These people have been made fools by religion." Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #13
displaying your own intolerance for religious people? AlbertCat May 2012 #102
Good to know that some forms intolerance are superior to others. "A rose by any other name" Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #103
Good to know that some forms intolerance are superior to others. AlbertCat May 2012 #105
I certainly hope this isn't your face to face approach to people. If so, that could explain a lot. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #106
Excellent response, John. nt AverageJoe90 May 2012 #15
i think your response is great. barbtries May 2012 #16
+1000 ProfessionalLeftist May 2012 #17
Religion is a curse put upon Black Americans...for real. vaberella May 2012 #18
I saw Julian Bond the other night on CNN. He was amazing cali May 2012 #21
Many black leaders in North Carolina came out strongly against the amendment. yardwork May 2012 #41
Excuse Me. SpencerShay May 2012 #22
ah, thank goodness for small blessings. cali May 2012 #23
I wouldn't TOS you over this. You do have a point, even if it is expressed with rage. Zalatix May 2012 #24
Then why all the concentration even in the MSM? TIA uponit7771 May 2012 #50
Results: Number23 May 2012 #26
I'm glad I don't do juries, but I think I would've voted just as you did. It's the "F ALL OF YOU".. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #28
I would have voted to leave alone despite the anger and the one incorrect statement, which has been yardwork May 2012 #34
To be perfectly honest with you Number23 May 2012 #93
A lot of us were saying this after Prop 8 too. yardwork May 2012 #95
You say: 'I have no doubt that there were some gays that played a role in the civil rights movement" Bluenorthwest May 2012 #54
I will admit to being Juror #1 and also PufPuf23 May 2012 #92
I point out Blacks because we should know better johnlucas May 2012 #27
John Lucas, have you read The Pedagogy of the Oppressed? EFerrari May 2012 #79
"I don't recall gays coming to the aid of blacks during the 1960's civil rights movement, at all!" Hissyspit May 2012 #29
it's not ignorant at all. bayard rustin certainly wasn't out to the world, because those things HiPointDem May 2012 #32
Um, that's part of the ignorance. Hissyspit May 2012 #35
Then it would be better to point out that fact rather than point to Bayard Rustin & say he HiPointDem May 2012 #39
Excuse me, but you are becoming offensive. Bayard Rustin was openly gay. So were many other people. yardwork May 2012 #42
Were you alive then? I was. He was closeted until he got arrested for having sex in a car. HiPointDem May 2012 #43
I was alive then and knew gay people at the time, including black gay people. yardwork May 2012 #44
of course individuals may have known gay people. that doesn't mean they were "openly gay". HiPointDem May 2012 #45
Heard of James Baldwin? Bluenorthwest May 2012 #56
Golly, no, I never heard of those people, thanks for educating me -- not. HiPointDem May 2012 #89
The point is that many gay people did support the Civil Rights Movement. yardwork May 2012 #36
i'm sure they did. but not in some public identity of "homosexuals". HiPointDem May 2012 #40
That's largely because gay people weren't open about it because they didn't want to land in jail ruggerson May 2012 #61
yes, which is my point. yes. and yes, i believe so. HiPointDem May 2012 #83
Being Gay then was illegal obamanut2012 May 2012 #86
which is my *point*. today "openly gay" means you are out to the world. not just to your friends, HiPointDem May 2012 #90
how could gays join a movement when their existence was illegal? La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #101
Where did i ask them to? OTOH, being gay was just as illegal in 1969 as in 1963, yet they made HiPointDem May 2012 #104
Bravo. And since we have evidence that the right wing is deliberately EFerrari May 2012 #65
Lots of Gay Americans were part of the Civil Rights Movement, including White ones obamanut2012 May 2012 #84
No, you're not excused... MellowDem May 2012 #97
"Every time something bad happens to gay people, everybody blames the blacks!" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #98
Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) geo26r May 2012 #25
In North Carolina, not all predominately black precincts voted for the amendment. yardwork May 2012 #31
I'm happy to hear this johnlucas May 2012 #33
It can't be overturned as unconstitutional. It is an amendment TO the state constitution. yardwork May 2012 #37
Can't the federal override this? johnlucas May 2012 #46
Of course the USSC should apply loving v Virginia. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #47
Proposition 8 is a completely different thing. NC just amended its constitution. yardwork May 2012 #48
California's Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment too johnlucas May 2012 #49
I hope you're right. Thank you for your OP. yardwork May 2012 #52
Post Prop 8 story that never got noticed much....fraud a real possiblitiy, Bluenorthwest May 2012 #57
Maybe so, but the vote in NC was real. 61% of North Carolinians added hate to the constitution. yardwork May 2012 #58
Prop H8 failed in Alameda County. EFerrari May 2012 #68
Please see my post in this thread, and elsewhere: yardwork May 2012 #72
Yes. I said at the time that Los Angeles Co. stank to heaven EFerrari May 2012 #66
Prop 8 was also a constitutional amendment ruggerson May 2012 #63
The prop 8 ruling was very narrow and only applied to California. former9thward May 2012 #81
The NC amendment can be attacked on various fronts ruggerson May 2012 #87
SCOTUS is the key I think, and for that we need to replace 2 conservative justices stevenleser May 2012 #51
That would be wonderful. SCOTUS is always one important reason to vote Democratic. yardwork May 2012 #53
+1 ruggerson May 2012 #64
Good catch, yardwork. EFerrari May 2012 #75
Well done sir. 99Forever May 2012 #55
I wish some of these 'black voters' could see past his skin color. Zax2me May 2012 #59
The suggestion ... Renaissance Man May 2012 #74
+1 nt ecstatic May 2012 #78
You're in good company - Julian Bond said many of the same things you're saying ruggerson May 2012 #60
The article's angle of approach leaves me a little uneasy Prism May 2012 #67
I agree with you. The premise of the article is the same old stereotype. yardwork May 2012 #76
Recent poll has AA support for gay marriage at 50% ecstatic May 2012 #69
Great post! Chorophyll May 2012 #70
Great post! Big K&R! riderinthestorm May 2012 #71
Black people are not a monolith. Jamastiene May 2012 #80
I honestly don't know what the fuck to say to this. Arkana May 2012 #85
The media ProSense May 2012 #91
Not shocking, hughee99 May 2012 #94
Your comments mean so very much to me. stillwaiting May 2012 #96
this whole gays vs blacks thing makes me uncomfortable, La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #100
mighty big of 'em. nt StarryNight May 2012 #107
Perhaps a respectful answer, especially to minority criticism cr8tvlde May 2012 #110
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