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Showing Original Post only (View all)My post on a Yahoo! news story "Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays" [View all]
I made this post on an Associated Press story placed on Yahoo! News detailing my disgust with Black people's opinions on gays marrying.
I'm Black myself & I see it as the ultimate in hypocrisy ESPECIALLY sinceas the Trayvon Martin situation provedwe don't fully have a grasp on obtaining equal rights & protections OURSELVES.
(see story about some gun range selling Trayvon Martin-inspired shooting targets with bullseye on hoodie, Skittles & iced tea in pocket. Report: Trayvon Martin gun range targets were sold online)
Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays
http://news.yahoo.com/many-blacks-shrug-off-obamas-view-gays-221003333.html
Excerpts from article
Like many black Americans, Dorsey Jackson does not believe in gay marriage, but he wasn't disillusioned when Barack Obama became the first president to support it. The windows of his suburban Philadelphia barbershop still display an "Obama 2012" placard and another that reads "We've Got His Back."
If Obama needs to endorse same-sex marriage to be re-elected, said Jackson, so be it: "Look, man by any means necessary."
Black voters and especially black churches have long opposed gay marriage. But the 40-year-old barber and other African-Americans interviewed in politically key states say their support for Obama remains unshaken.
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"Obama is human," said Leon Givens of Charlotte, N.C. "I don't have him on a pedestal."
On Tuesday, Givens voted in favor of banning gay marriage in North Carolina. Many black precincts voted 2-1 for the ballot measure, which passed easily.
But this fall, Givens plans to register Obama voters and drive senior citizens to the polls. A retired human resources manager, he suspects the president's pronouncement was "more a political thing than his true feelings." But he's not dwelling on it.
"We can agree to disagree on gay marriage," Givens said, "and then I leave him alone."
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Mel Brown, a 65-year-old project manager in Philadelphia, says same-sex marriage "is between them and their God. The God I serve does not agree with that."
Does Obama's announcement change Brown's support for the president? "Absolutely not. Because Scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
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Tanyeo Wotorson, a film producer and director in New York City, supports Obama's new position and said prohibitions on same-sex marriage "return to that time when whites could send people to the back of the bus and women couldn't vote."
Darian Aaron, a gay black man, acknowledges that there are differences between black issues and gay rights, but "at its core both groups are seeking to gain access to full equality under the law."
Even if Obama had not supported same-sex marriage, Aaron said he still would have voted for him because the president has signaled his support in other ways and Romney strongly opposes gay marriage.
Aaron laments that "many within the black community find it nearly impossible to see gay rights through any lens other than biblical." But he finds hope in the statistics showing black people becoming more accepting and says that may be because they've gotten to know gays and lesbians, which breaks down stereotypes.
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The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a giant of the civil rights movement who delivered the benediction at Obama's inauguration, said he agrees with Obama on gay marriage.
"I believe in equal rights," Lowery said. "You can't believe in equal rights for some. That's an oxymoron."
However: "Do I like it? I'm uncomfortable with it," said Lowery, 90. "We grew up under boy-girl, man-woman, courtship and marriage."
If Obama needs to endorse same-sex marriage to be re-elected, said Jackson, so be it: "Look, man by any means necessary."
Black voters and especially black churches have long opposed gay marriage. But the 40-year-old barber and other African-Americans interviewed in politically key states say their support for Obama remains unshaken.
......................
"Obama is human," said Leon Givens of Charlotte, N.C. "I don't have him on a pedestal."
On Tuesday, Givens voted in favor of banning gay marriage in North Carolina. Many black precincts voted 2-1 for the ballot measure, which passed easily.
But this fall, Givens plans to register Obama voters and drive senior citizens to the polls. A retired human resources manager, he suspects the president's pronouncement was "more a political thing than his true feelings." But he's not dwelling on it.
"We can agree to disagree on gay marriage," Givens said, "and then I leave him alone."
......................
Mel Brown, a 65-year-old project manager in Philadelphia, says same-sex marriage "is between them and their God. The God I serve does not agree with that."
Does Obama's announcement change Brown's support for the president? "Absolutely not. Because Scripture says we all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God."
......................
Tanyeo Wotorson, a film producer and director in New York City, supports Obama's new position and said prohibitions on same-sex marriage "return to that time when whites could send people to the back of the bus and women couldn't vote."
Darian Aaron, a gay black man, acknowledges that there are differences between black issues and gay rights, but "at its core both groups are seeking to gain access to full equality under the law."
Even if Obama had not supported same-sex marriage, Aaron said he still would have voted for him because the president has signaled his support in other ways and Romney strongly opposes gay marriage.
Aaron laments that "many within the black community find it nearly impossible to see gay rights through any lens other than biblical." But he finds hope in the statistics showing black people becoming more accepting and says that may be because they've gotten to know gays and lesbians, which breaks down stereotypes.
......................
The Rev. Joseph Lowery, a giant of the civil rights movement who delivered the benediction at Obama's inauguration, said he agrees with Obama on gay marriage.
"I believe in equal rights," Lowery said. "You can't believe in equal rights for some. That's an oxymoron."
However: "Do I like it? I'm uncomfortable with it," said Lowery, 90. "We grew up under boy-girl, man-woman, courtship and marriage."
My comment in response to this article
I'm Black (& straight) & I'm disappointed that many of my people don't see the parallels between the disenfranchisement of Gays & the disenfranchisement of Blacks. Oppressors used the Bible to justify our slavery in the 1700s & 1800s. The cursed Hamites who were born to be a servant class was the mentality of the time. It was wrong then & it is wrong now. There is none of the Ten Commandments that says "Thou Shalt Not Gay". You're not supposed to eat shrimp or wear mixed fabrics & women are always supposed to have their heads covered up according to The Bible.
Well, America ain't no theocracy so screw what The Bible says. It says "Thou Shalt Not Kill" too but this is one of most warring nations on Earth. People use that book to justify their crap & oppress others they don't like. Gays marrying is simply a Civil Rights issue so Blacks should be THE LAST people trying to oppose that inequity. It ain't been but about 40 years since Martin was gunned down & Blacks wanna act brand new about equal rights. Hell, personally I think marriage is antiquated & obsolete. Us straight folks prove it everyday with the high divorce rate & even higher marriage misery rate for those who stay together. But EVERYBODY should have the right to marry if they want to marry. End of discussion. No more Bible-based bigotry. Martin Luther King Jr. said, "Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere."
Blacks don't have the luxury of playing this oppressor role.
John Lucas
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johnlucas
May 2012
OP
As a matter of fact, he was addressing economic inequality before he was murdered
johnlucas
May 2012
#38
not sure but probably has to do with slavery and other history of blacks in the US
JI7
May 2012
#109
it's the same as white people who oppose gay marriage, what's so hard to understand?
HiPointDem
May 2012
#30
Good to know that some forms intolerance are superior to others. "A rose by any other name"
Tarheel_Dem
May 2012
#103
I certainly hope this isn't your face to face approach to people. If so, that could explain a lot.
Tarheel_Dem
May 2012
#106
I wouldn't TOS you over this. You do have a point, even if it is expressed with rage.
Zalatix
May 2012
#24
I'm glad I don't do juries, but I think I would've voted just as you did. It's the "F ALL OF YOU"..
Tarheel_Dem
May 2012
#28
I would have voted to leave alone despite the anger and the one incorrect statement, which has been
yardwork
May 2012
#34
You say: 'I have no doubt that there were some gays that played a role in the civil rights movement"
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#54
"I don't recall gays coming to the aid of blacks during the 1960's civil rights movement, at all!"
Hissyspit
May 2012
#29
it's not ignorant at all. bayard rustin certainly wasn't out to the world, because those things
HiPointDem
May 2012
#32
Then it would be better to point out that fact rather than point to Bayard Rustin & say he
HiPointDem
May 2012
#39
Excuse me, but you are becoming offensive. Bayard Rustin was openly gay. So were many other people.
yardwork
May 2012
#42
Were you alive then? I was. He was closeted until he got arrested for having sex in a car.
HiPointDem
May 2012
#43
of course individuals may have known gay people. that doesn't mean they were "openly gay".
HiPointDem
May 2012
#45
That's largely because gay people weren't open about it because they didn't want to land in jail
ruggerson
May 2012
#61
which is my *point*. today "openly gay" means you are out to the world. not just to your friends,
HiPointDem
May 2012
#90
Where did i ask them to? OTOH, being gay was just as illegal in 1969 as in 1963, yet they made
HiPointDem
May 2012
#104
Lots of Gay Americans were part of the Civil Rights Movement, including White ones
obamanut2012
May 2012
#84
"Every time something bad happens to gay people, everybody blames the blacks!"
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
May 2012
#98
In North Carolina, not all predominately black precincts voted for the amendment.
yardwork
May 2012
#31
It can't be overturned as unconstitutional. It is an amendment TO the state constitution.
yardwork
May 2012
#37
Proposition 8 is a completely different thing. NC just amended its constitution.
yardwork
May 2012
#48
Post Prop 8 story that never got noticed much....fraud a real possiblitiy,
Bluenorthwest
May 2012
#57
Maybe so, but the vote in NC was real. 61% of North Carolinians added hate to the constitution.
yardwork
May 2012
#58
SCOTUS is the key I think, and for that we need to replace 2 conservative justices
stevenleser
May 2012
#51
That would be wonderful. SCOTUS is always one important reason to vote Democratic.
yardwork
May 2012
#53
You're in good company - Julian Bond said many of the same things you're saying
ruggerson
May 2012
#60