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TM99

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225. We do disagree.

Thu Jun 4, 2015, 07:19 PM

Jun 2015

I am a not a registered Democrat so I am more concerned with the type of (D) elected than just a (D) gets elected.

The problem I am seeing is that there is too much control. If you exercise too much in Message, Audience, and Timing, it can and will begin to feel manipulative and not organic. That is what I suspect will occur sooner rather than later. Her 'vast right wing conspiracy' predisposes her to paranoia and defensiveness. When on the defensive, it looks like the person is attacking. That then puts the audience on the defensive. A communication pattern develops that never ends well.

I would advise her to relax some. She needs to really mingle with the people. She has to do more actual connecting than stagecraft if she wants those trust numbers to go up. My two cents for what it is worth.

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"There will be NO opportunities to interview Hillary Clinton; her speech will be her interview." [View all] peecoolyour Jun 2015 OP

As I posted in another thread. It's sit down, shut up and vote. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #1

There will be NO votes for HC. My ballot for Bernie will be my vote. :) nt appal_jack Jun 2015 #5

...^ that 840high Jun 2015 #89

+ 1000 Well Put !!!!!! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #227

Candidates generally don't have interviews at the 200,000 persons + rallys. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #177

Hillary is going to have to speak sooner than later, but I just find R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #182

avoiding vs. controlling. The press and it's messaging totally sucks..HRC should trust them? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #189

I never mentioned that the press was noble, and R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #197

Nobody is defending Misanthrope Sycophant Monsters . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #226

The OP in its entirety should set that concern, straight n/t Sheepshank Jun 2015 #233

I dont blame them.. it will be a circus without controls like this. DCBob Jun 2015 #2

She's going to do a conventional sit down interview in the days after her Roosevelt Island speech DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #8

That makes sense. DCBob Jun 2015 #14

I wasn't always a big fan of Rachel but she has grown on me because she doesn't bash Democrats. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #16

I was Jamaal510 Jun 2015 #219

I know. No candidate has ever been able to give interviews. morningfog Jun 2015 #58

Politicians should expect to have to deal with the press. Any politician who is afraid of the press sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #66

And your last sentence says it all. She has 200 advisers. closeupready Jun 2015 #79

Listening to all of them results in panicked inaction Divernan Jun 2015 #115

What the hell does anyone need 200 advisors for? How does that even work? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #136

To keep the opposition from hiring them. Nt HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #151

another manufactured outrage. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #179

It's not outrage, it's confusion Scootaloo Jun 2015 #201

confusion, I understand. Trying to actually analyze what they all do, I understand Sheepshank Jun 2015 #203

If you're quick on the defensive, I guess. 'Course, no reason not to be on DU I guess... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #206

and in all honesty I don't know if they were counted or not...but no one does Sheepshank Jun 2015 #245

To answer your question, about 50, but only 5 you listen to. Exilednight Jun 2015 #244

AND, if I recall correctly, those are only ECONOMIC advisers. closeupready Jun 2015 #191

Goldman's paying. Who cares? hifiguy Jun 2015 #230

She is dealing with the press...you just want her to do it your way Sheepshank Jun 2015 #234

I don't think this delayed access to questions, and her answers, is helping her. Sienna86 Jun 2015 #3

Poor babies. DURHAM D Jun 2015 #4

It's not derangement on the press' part BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #12

Did you read the article? DURHAM D Jun 2015 #15

You are deflecting from the OP BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #19

The press has been pissed at her for 20+ years. okasha Jun 2015 #93

Indeed. Ignorant fucking peasants....whom do they think they are? truebrit71 Jun 2015 #149

What journalists? okasha Jun 2015 #185

Yup, ignorant peasants one and all... truebrit71 Jun 2015 #194

so suddenly the journalists and media outlets are the darlings? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #190

'Arrogantly' describes your feelings/perception of her, not the actual geek tragedy Jun 2015 #25

It doesn't have to be a media circus. Paka Jun 2015 #65

Wow - some biting comments with that article Divernan Jun 2015 #117

You would have thought she would have learned from 2008 Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #6

Actually, this shows she has learned a great deal from 2008 ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #34

No, she's coming off as aloof, and entitled. Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #38

Only to those that know nothing about message control and/or ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #41

To answer your question... Joe the Revelator Jun 2015 #45

Okay ... Once again, DU demonstrates ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #71

I'm telling you from real life.. Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #80

Okay ... real life. LOL. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #82

What real life is that?? giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #92

"lame attempt" Sheepshank Jun 2015 #187

Well I guess you should get better at spotting the trolls then... giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #235

oops, my mistake Sheepshank Jun 2015 #236

Gee... Bernie makes himself available to the press, and have no problems dealing with the gotchas Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #68

When playing catch up, one must force the tempo ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #75

Dude.... Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #84

Okay, but that doesn't seem to be the case ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #86

who are you talking to outside of DU? frylock Jun 2015 #95

The folks with whom I socialize ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #150

Yeah, if your only position is: "It's my turn to be President." nt peecoolyour Jun 2015 #87

Yeah. Okay. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #88

Well, you have to remember, Clinton has vastly more experience than Sanders... Scootaloo Jun 2015 #137

You apparently don't know as much as you think. TM99 Jun 2015 #96

Would you like to compare your experience creating and rolling out ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #152

An internet pissing contest between two individuals TM99 Jun 2015 #161

Touche ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #172

She's going to need to get out in front R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #183

Her New Found Populism.. bvar22 Jun 2015 #193

Do you really think that she won't ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #207

If/when it happens I will welcome it. R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #216

Why? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #217

We do disagree. TM99 Jun 2015 #225

agree 100% mopinko Jun 2015 #62

Right now her message to me.... Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #67

Is there anything HRC can say, to the press or otherwise, ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #74

Yes, fire all of her staffers Mr. Robot Jun 2015 #77

In other words, NO. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #81

How is she controlling the message? morningfog Jun 2015 #94

You mean the media that ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #154

Blah blah, RIGHT WINGER!! Lazy response. morningfog Jun 2015 #157

Your concern for her candidacy is noted. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #158

Your meaningless note of my concern is noted. morningfog Jun 2015 #160

I very much agree with you 1SB. lovemydog Jun 2015 #146

So am I. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #159

Does she want to make enemies of the press? ms liberty Jun 2015 #7

Do you really think she can do anything to be "friends/friendly" with the same press ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #35

Wasn't it Mark Twain who said, Paka Jun 2015 #69

Sounds like something that would come from Ann Romney... BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #9

What is she afraid of? HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #10

Actually having to take a stand on policy? BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #17

Bingo! Scuba Jun 2015 #59

....x10 840high Jun 2015 #90

Turn on her? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #36

She's in NY for this event. She could always just invite R. Daneel Olivaw Jun 2015 #184

Perhaps ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #213

And why would they ? orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #221

Why would who what? n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #223

I take it as not wanting to be taken off message, HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #42

You would think that ameature mistakes would have ended after being thumped in 2008. Exilednight Jun 2015 #11

I got yelled at for suggesting she hasn't taken a whole lot of actual positions. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #13

Nah, you're supposed to just know in your gut what her positions are. jeff47 Jun 2015 #18

Her positions are supposed to be whatever you think is the best. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #29

now i have to poop frylock Jun 2015 #97

You could check out the other threads in GD about this speech geek tragedy Jun 2015 #22

I agree with both the specific and general points she's on, there. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #53

Odd, you're busy defending HRC & DNC, but claim you support Bernie. Divernan Jun 2015 #104

When she's getting called a c@nt by people geek tragedy Jun 2015 #108

Reallyl? But again, no links to said name calling. Quelle surprise Divernan Jun 2015 #109

Because it's a blatant lie. No one bearing Bernie's logos has used the C-word. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #110

Yeah, it's that "Big Lie" thingy Divernan Jun 2015 #111

You were amused by that sexist slur "tongue twister" bettyellen Jun 2015 #165

Maybe you can explain the PPR then. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #167

From A host of the Bernie Sanders group: geek tragedy Jun 2015 #130

Oh that HDSer.. figures.. and yeah, he's so effin' "clever".. they're so amusing themselves.. Cha Jun 2015 #138

yeah, he does have a big ol freaking Cha Jun 2015 #140

Do you think it reasonable ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #39

U think it's better for a question to be raised, and left unanswered in a national news segment? HereSince1628 Jun 2015 #47

My friend, I'm told her history is "out there" for anyone who wants to know what it is. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #43

Perfect description of HRC Divernan Jun 2015 #112

She is already in the prevent. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #20

playing not to lose frylock Jun 2015 #99

One of the most surefire ways to lose unless stalemate is possible. TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #155

Hillary makes speech calling for expanded voting rights, media hacks and Hillary Haters geek tragedy Jun 2015 #21

"The speech is the interview" Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #28

Does the name Sharron Angle come to mind? Paka Jun 2015 #73

Ditto. SoapBox Jun 2015 #83

Hmmm... Rex Jun 2015 #23

If I had Hillary's record FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #24

How very Clintonest of her. 99Forever Jun 2015 #26

Sooner or later the pre$$ will reach a tipping point. She'll step out of "Scooby" to crickets. n/t cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #27

Except for the actual voters, with whom she's hugely popular. brooklynite Jun 2015 #31

Hugely. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #37

Unfortunately we have to live with the constant slimy smear workinclasszero Jun 2015 #46

Actually, she will get a bump in the polls and that will only make her nemeses more upset./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #48

Haha workinclasszero Jun 2015 #50

Tone deaf and mute isn't going to win an election. Nt HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #30

Will she be reading it from stone tablets manufactured in Heaven? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #32

Amateur hour, indeed MFrohike Jun 2015 #33

As a memeber of the media bigwillq Jun 2015 #40

Except that the job of the media (as you know) is to "get the story", not simply regurgitate jonno99 Jun 2015 #116

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I can only imagine the accent she will be bringing to THIS event. Can't wait, indeed! eom Purveyor Jun 2015 #51

The media gets blasted here regularly for the dumb questions they ask -- especially NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #52

yup. mopinko Jun 2015 #63

And Bernie handles them well too. Paka Jun 2015 #76

oh yes, Hillary's strategy and non compliance with USmediawhoredom is pissing off all the Cha Jun 2015 #142

That's a false comparison. cui bono Jun 2015 #192

Well maybe you don't know her positions, but I and millions of others know NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #196

What has she stated as her position on the TPP and TPA? cui bono Jun 2015 #205

What's everybody whining about??? ZX86 Jun 2015 #54

Hrm...if only there was a thread full of statements where people explained what they didn't like... jeff47 Jun 2015 #56

Yes. You are correct. ZX86 Jun 2015 #57

That loud noise above you is the point sailing over your head. jeff47 Jun 2015 #162

You forgot that nobody cares about the TPP either. Otherwise good list. A Simple Game Jun 2015 #186

Like the two posts above (both hidden) where Hillary Haters tried to drop the c-bomb on her geek tragedy Jun 2015 #72

That is vile. okasha Jun 2015 #101

Hillary gives speech on expanding voting rights, geek tragedy Jun 2015 #102

You're not alone. okasha Jun 2015 #105

Same here. And frankly Bernie Sanders is not into the politics of personal destruction either. Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #176

yeah, how long have people been following campaigns? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #178

Same. Agschmid Jun 2015 #180

Why the Bernie icon? Tis a puzzlement. Divernan Jun 2015 #106

Because frenzied hatred and blatant misogyny geek tragedy Jun 2015 #124

Do you understand the meaning of the term "link"? Divernan Jun 2015 #125

From someone who hosts both the Bernie Sanders geek tragedy Jun 2015 #127

No dirty words there - but it was clever. Divernan Jun 2015 #128

No, it was hatred and misogyny. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #129

+1 Agschmid Jun 2015 #181

+1 sheshe2 Jun 2015 #209

"Called Hillary Clinton the c-word. Thought he was being clever about it. He was not. " geek tragedy Jun 2015 #168

It is the punchline from a very old joke jberryhill Jun 2015 #173

Papers please! bettyellen Jun 2015 #171

Yeah, it's not like there's a reason MIRT exists. Horrible posts just never happen. :eyes: (nt) jeff47 Jun 2015 #163

The MIRT-zapped troll got a big warm welcome from a host of the Bernie Sanders geek tragedy Jun 2015 #164

That's my down to earth everyday common people love'n Hillary. She's just like you and me. L0oniX Jun 2015 #60

When is Hillary going on the Thom Hartmann show like Bernie? YOHABLO Jun 2015 #61

And field calls from the commoners? peecoolyour Jun 2015 #64

Thom and Bernie have been friends for years DFW Jun 2015 #70

That's not a valid reason. The real reason is because Bernie is the only politician cui bono Jun 2015 #198

Sure it is. DFW Jun 2015 #211

It's not a valid reason to attribute to Thom himself. cui bono Jun 2015 #212

I have no problem with Thom DFW Jun 2015 #215

If he is a softball show for Bernie it's only because Bernie stands up for the people and cui bono Jun 2015 #218

A softball show DFW Jun 2015 #220

Yes, they agree. cui bono Jun 2015 #231

When's the last time Thomas Hartmann gave Bernie an adversarial grilling? geek tragedy Jun 2015 #78

Post after post, you defend HRC, dis Bernie. Divernan Jun 2015 #107

Yeah, because--unlike you-I think it's unacceptable geek tragedy Jun 2015 #133

Yeah, 'cause "dissing Bernie" is bringing up facts and being against stupid disgusting Cha Jun 2015 #144

You just don't understand smart this is whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #85

My immediate reaction when 840high Jun 2015 #91

She is the anointed one of course! TM99 Jun 2015 #98

To all of the Hillary Haters foaming at the mouth over this: geek tragedy Jun 2015 #100

Like that wasn't a condition in her contract? Hah! Divernan Jun 2015 #114

The verbiage which has so many clutching their pearls geek tragedy Jun 2015 #118

Access to HRC was covered in her contract with UNLV Divernan Jun 2015 #119

"Clutching their pearls" is a very sexist comment, doncha know? Divernan Jun 2015 #120

When you start objecting to people calling geek tragedy Jun 2015 #122

But you're the only one posting that term! Divernan Jun 2015 #123

Here, from a host of the Bernie Sanders group geek tragedy Jun 2015 #126

You need HRC's sense of humor Divernan Jun 2015 #131

Wow, you're quite the archivist on anti-Hillary oppo research. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #132

Nobody's referred to her with the term "c@nt" but YOU! Divernan Jun 2015 #139

MIRT and a jury say otherwise. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #147

Bullshit- you approved of the "cunning stunt" tongue twister and there's NO walking back from that.. bettyellen Jun 2015 #169

the member who got his "Clever" post Hidden "Refered" to it. he's doing more to hurt Bernie Cha Jun 2015 #141

People notice that you refused to respond to this archive. Bonobo Jun 2015 #237

I do not care what you and your buddies "notice" geek tragedy Jun 2015 #238

Yup, you're an outstanding hypocrite at times. Bonobo Jun 2015 #239

You've apparently never had a client. geek tragedy Jun 2015 #240

What "interests" you, Geek, is not my problem. Bonobo Jun 2015 #241

Toodles. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #242

I hope that people will have a look at this sub-thread. Bonobo Jun 2015 #243

This. And it is funny that treestar Jun 2015 #188

Some of these elitist media need a lesson on the 1st Amendment bluestateguy Jun 2015 #103

"That has to be earned"... So does my vote. Throd Jun 2015 #214

It's the Clinton Initiative way, ya know Divernan Jun 2015 #113

Seems completely appropriate to me. A lot of hyperventilating here over nothing. Lil Missy Jun 2015 #121

+1 dlwickham Jun 2015 #224

She's pulling the same crap in Iowa... CoffeeCat Jun 2015 #134

I agree. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #143

The Ghost of 2008 CTBlueboy Jun 2015 #135

I'm more interested in what she says at the speech lovemydog Jun 2015 #145

Exactly- people who should be all in for voting rights are now attacking bettyellen Jun 2015 #170

people are not attacking voting rights.. frylock Jun 2015 #195

The topic she is speaking of - voting rights - is ignored because too many put ripping down Hillary bettyellen Jun 2015 #199

people are not "ripping down Hillary" frylock Jun 2015 #208

Hoping the event will stay focused on the voting rights issue as she plans it too. bettyellen Jun 2015 #210

32+ recs for an article on a failure to give an interview bigtree Jun 2015 #148

Thanks for the link, rec'd nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #174

We SKEWERED Puglover Jun 2015 #153

Tone deaf and arrogant. n/t 99Forever Jun 2015 #156

Congrats on 300 posts! bigwillq Jun 2015 #166

This is one of the few times .. sendero Jun 2015 #175

This is common.... CherokeeDem Jun 2015 #200

Perfectly reasonable HassleCat Jun 2015 #202

And if she gave press conferences, she'd be trying to block out Bernie!!!! JoePhilly Jun 2015 #204

Where is SNL or David who can comment fadedrose Jun 2015 #222

She gave the press an opportunity to ask questions and they blew the opportunity. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #228

Well... hifiguy Jun 2015 #229

Standard fare for campaigns Adenoid_Hynkel Jun 2015 #232

peecoolyour is no longer a member. previously banned. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #246