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yardwork

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52. I hope you're right. Thank you for your OP.

Sat May 12, 2012, 08:04 AM

May 2012

I have a more pessimistic view of the odds of changing North Carolina's constitution back anytime soon, but I appreciate your will to fight. It is inspiring.

One thing that may happen is that the federal government will enact laws that make it easier for people to get access to rights that are currently reserved to married people. If everybody had universal healthcare and individuals had other protections, then marriage would be less necessary.

In Europe the passage of universal health care and other rights to individuals resulted in many fewer people getting married. They don't have to be married to get access to these rights, so fewer couples are marrying. That may happen in the U.S. And so, the forces who claimed to "protect marriage" by discriminating against people may end up eroding the popularity of marriage. How ironic would that be.

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My post on a Yahoo! news story "Many blacks shrug off Obama's new view on gays" [View all] johnlucas May 2012 OP

"Obama is human, I don't have him on a pedestal." Zalatix May 2012 #1

If I had the power to influence a larger circle I would give that speech. johnlucas May 2012 #8

Well said, sir. hifiguy May 2012 #2

You gotta make it hit home, man johnlucas May 2012 #4

I have no doubt that were MLK still with us, hifiguy May 2012 #5

As a matter of fact, he was addressing economic inequality before he was murdered johnlucas May 2012 #38

Everyone not part of the 1% needs to maintain solidarity hifiguy May 2012 #77

what percentage of the black vote did Kendrick Meek get ? how about Andrew Cuomo ? JI7 May 2012 #3

Why do such a high percentage of black voters oppose same sex marriage? SunSeeker May 2012 #6

because many of them are religious and go to church regularly JI7 May 2012 #9

but why are more blacks "religious?" nt StarryNight May 2012 #108

not sure but probably has to do with slavery and other history of blacks in the US JI7 May 2012 #109

Bible Belt nonsense & just your everyday garden-variety fear & paranoia johnlucas May 2012 #12

So it's basically a matter of lack of education? SunSeeker May 2012 #14

Unfortunately it's not so much a lack of education, vaberella May 2012 #20

it's the same as white people who oppose gay marriage, what's so hard to understand? HiPointDem May 2012 #30

I think the point is about percentages ruggerson May 2012 #62

Then why aren't the percentages the same? SunSeeker May 2012 #73

A "the fuck" men!!! I just said that. n/t vaberella May 2012 #19

Wish I could rec this post. Jazzgirl May 2012 #88

Most Blacks belong to evangelical churches (Baptist and Methodist, mainly). Odin2005 May 2012 #82

the usual Bible Bullshit Skittles May 2012 #99

thank you for this post. iemitsu May 2012 #7

exactly and very well said moreover azurnoir May 2012 #10

Many black precincts voted 2-1 for the ballot measure AlbertCat May 2012 #11

"These people have been made fools by religion." Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #13

displaying your own intolerance for religious people? AlbertCat May 2012 #102

Good to know that some forms intolerance are superior to others. "A rose by any other name" Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #103

Good to know that some forms intolerance are superior to others. AlbertCat May 2012 #105

I certainly hope this isn't your face to face approach to people. If so, that could explain a lot. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #106

Excellent response, John. nt AverageJoe90 May 2012 #15

i think your response is great. barbtries May 2012 #16

+1000 ProfessionalLeftist May 2012 #17

Religion is a curse put upon Black Americans...for real. vaberella May 2012 #18

I saw Julian Bond the other night on CNN. He was amazing cali May 2012 #21

Many black leaders in North Carolina came out strongly against the amendment. yardwork May 2012 #41

Excuse Me. SpencerShay May 2012 #22

ah, thank goodness for small blessings. cali May 2012 #23

I wouldn't TOS you over this. You do have a point, even if it is expressed with rage. Zalatix May 2012 #24

Then why all the concentration even in the MSM? TIA uponit7771 May 2012 #50

Results: Number23 May 2012 #26

I'm glad I don't do juries, but I think I would've voted just as you did. It's the "F ALL OF YOU".. Tarheel_Dem May 2012 #28

I would have voted to leave alone despite the anger and the one incorrect statement, which has been yardwork May 2012 #34

To be perfectly honest with you Number23 May 2012 #93

A lot of us were saying this after Prop 8 too. yardwork May 2012 #95

You say: 'I have no doubt that there were some gays that played a role in the civil rights movement" Bluenorthwest May 2012 #54

I will admit to being Juror #1 and also PufPuf23 May 2012 #92

I point out Blacks because we should know better johnlucas May 2012 #27

John Lucas, have you read The Pedagogy of the Oppressed? EFerrari May 2012 #79

"I don't recall gays coming to the aid of blacks during the 1960's civil rights movement, at all!" Hissyspit May 2012 #29

it's not ignorant at all. bayard rustin certainly wasn't out to the world, because those things HiPointDem May 2012 #32

Um, that's part of the ignorance. Hissyspit May 2012 #35

Then it would be better to point out that fact rather than point to Bayard Rustin & say he HiPointDem May 2012 #39

Excuse me, but you are becoming offensive. Bayard Rustin was openly gay. So were many other people. yardwork May 2012 #42

Were you alive then? I was. He was closeted until he got arrested for having sex in a car. HiPointDem May 2012 #43

I was alive then and knew gay people at the time, including black gay people. yardwork May 2012 #44

of course individuals may have known gay people. that doesn't mean they were "openly gay". HiPointDem May 2012 #45

Heard of James Baldwin? Bluenorthwest May 2012 #56

Golly, no, I never heard of those people, thanks for educating me -- not. HiPointDem May 2012 #89

The point is that many gay people did support the Civil Rights Movement. yardwork May 2012 #36

i'm sure they did. but not in some public identity of "homosexuals". HiPointDem May 2012 #40

That's largely because gay people weren't open about it because they didn't want to land in jail ruggerson May 2012 #61

yes, which is my point. yes. and yes, i believe so. HiPointDem May 2012 #83

Being Gay then was illegal obamanut2012 May 2012 #86

which is my *point*. today "openly gay" means you are out to the world. not just to your friends, HiPointDem May 2012 #90

how could gays join a movement when their existence was illegal? La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #101

Where did i ask them to? OTOH, being gay was just as illegal in 1969 as in 1963, yet they made HiPointDem May 2012 #104

Bravo. And since we have evidence that the right wing is deliberately EFerrari May 2012 #65

Lots of Gay Americans were part of the Civil Rights Movement, including White ones obamanut2012 May 2012 #84

No, you're not excused... MellowDem May 2012 #97

"Every time something bad happens to gay people, everybody blames the blacks!" ProudToBeBlueInRhody May 2012 #98

Spam deleted by OKNancy (MIR Team) geo26r May 2012 #25

In North Carolina, not all predominately black precincts voted for the amendment. yardwork May 2012 #31

I'm happy to hear this johnlucas May 2012 #33

It can't be overturned as unconstitutional. It is an amendment TO the state constitution. yardwork May 2012 #37

Can't the federal override this? johnlucas May 2012 #46

Of course the USSC should apply loving v Virginia. Warren Stupidity May 2012 #47

Proposition 8 is a completely different thing. NC just amended its constitution. yardwork May 2012 #48

California's Prop 8 was a constitutional amendment too johnlucas May 2012 #49

I hope you're right. Thank you for your OP. yardwork May 2012 #52

Post Prop 8 story that never got noticed much....fraud a real possiblitiy, Bluenorthwest May 2012 #57

Maybe so, but the vote in NC was real. 61% of North Carolinians added hate to the constitution. yardwork May 2012 #58

Prop H8 failed in Alameda County. EFerrari May 2012 #68

Please see my post in this thread, and elsewhere: yardwork May 2012 #72

Yes. I said at the time that Los Angeles Co. stank to heaven EFerrari May 2012 #66

Prop 8 was also a constitutional amendment ruggerson May 2012 #63

The prop 8 ruling was very narrow and only applied to California. former9thward May 2012 #81

The NC amendment can be attacked on various fronts ruggerson May 2012 #87

SCOTUS is the key I think, and for that we need to replace 2 conservative justices stevenleser May 2012 #51

That would be wonderful. SCOTUS is always one important reason to vote Democratic. yardwork May 2012 #53

+1 ruggerson May 2012 #64

Good catch, yardwork. EFerrari May 2012 #75

Well done sir. 99Forever May 2012 #55

I wish some of these 'black voters' could see past his skin color. Zax2me May 2012 #59

The suggestion ... Renaissance Man May 2012 #74

+1 nt ecstatic May 2012 #78

You're in good company - Julian Bond said many of the same things you're saying ruggerson May 2012 #60

The article's angle of approach leaves me a little uneasy Prism May 2012 #67

I agree with you. The premise of the article is the same old stereotype. yardwork May 2012 #76

Recent poll has AA support for gay marriage at 50% ecstatic May 2012 #69

Great post! Chorophyll May 2012 #70

Great post! Big K&R! riderinthestorm May 2012 #71

Black people are not a monolith. Jamastiene May 2012 #80

I honestly don't know what the fuck to say to this. Arkana May 2012 #85

The media ProSense May 2012 #91

Not shocking, hughee99 May 2012 #94

Your comments mean so very much to me. stillwaiting May 2012 #96

this whole gays vs blacks thing makes me uncomfortable, La Lioness Priyanka May 2012 #100

mighty big of 'em. nt StarryNight May 2012 #107

Perhaps a respectful answer, especially to minority criticism cr8tvlde May 2012 #110