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69. Instead of Carrying Water for Fox News Shouldn't We Be Arguing for Mincome?

Fri Jun 5, 2015, 01:52 PM

Jun 2015

If we had the "Mincome", there wouldn't be all this petty fear-mongering over "fraud" and "waste" among people who went through 3 years of bureaucratic and medical qualification for less than $900/month to live on - because that's the only way they could survive.

If we had the Mincome, there would be no more issue about means-testing for seniors or raising the retirement age. People would retire when they felt ready to retire.

If we had the Mincome, there would be no more "welfare" and no more stigma attached to interaction with poverty bureaucracies.

If we had the Mincome, the taxpayer would be saving a HELLUVA a lot of money on poverty, social regulation, and fraud investigation bureaucracies. In fact the biggest opposition may come from people who would lose their fat incomes and pensions in this sector. The Mincome would be a lot less than the standard bureaucratic income. It might take a while for Americans to switch over to building their own businesses on top of the Mincome. Or perhaps we could, as a society, decide we wanted our Federal Government to create institutions out than Poverty Bureaucracies. Anyone remember the National Endowment for the Arts? We could just shift the money/jobs elsewhere.

If we had the Mincome, people would have autonomy and choice in an era of rapid technology change. People would be able to maintain their housing while they sought re-education.

If we had the Mincome, a broader base of people would have money to spend within their local economies: money would be circulating rather than just be an abstract idea sitting in the Swiss bank accounts of the Super Rich.

Leave it to the GOP Clown Car to play Judge Judy on Fox News. Democrats should be about offering real solutions for real problems. Bring on the Mincome.

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Sorry folks there is disability fraud [View all] UglyGreed Jun 2015 OP

so lets make disability the new ronny raygun welfare cadilac? dembotoz Jun 2015 #1

You show me any program, I'll show you fraud NightWatcher Jun 2015 #2

I think we should go after CEOs cheating the system and your family member Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #6

Where's the money to fund an investigations division? NightWatcher Jun 2015 #8

I would bet you could stop more fraud than the investigation costs Travis_0004 Jun 2015 #10

I used to work in workman's comp fraud NightWatcher Jun 2015 #13

That's about the right number, from what I've seen. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #108

You got it right unapatriciated Jun 2015 #151

Holy crap, your son has DM? NightWatcher Jun 2015 #155

Right now he is drug free (for dermato) for the first time in over 20 years. unapatriciated Jun 2015 #170

Sending thoughts and good wishes NightWatcher Jun 2015 #176

the CEO cheating the system has very deep pockets and can tie up the courts & govt KittyWampus Jun 2015 #93

+1000 Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2015 #36

That is exactly what CBS 60 Minutes did in their anti-SSDI program all anecdotal stories to prove jwirr Jun 2015 #53

When MSNBC was allegedly the "liberal" network, why didn't they daredtowork Jun 2015 #133

My son is on SSI unapatriciated Jun 2015 #161

Hear - hear. jwirr Jun 2015 #182

Right wingers won't adequately fund enforcement, House of Roberts Jun 2015 #3

That's why they trumpet these cases of fraud... Human101948 Jun 2015 #35

And the Pentagon "lost" $2.3 Trillion with a "T" over the last twenty years Fumesucker Jun 2015 #4

But is it fair UglyGreed Jun 2015 #9

There's on OP in GD right now about "reputation" on DU Fumesucker Jun 2015 #14

I'm sorry UglyGreed Jun 2015 #20

Exposing fraud would be giving names, addresses, relevant information, etc to the appropriate agency LanternWaste Jun 2015 #22

Well I have done that UglyGreed Jun 2015 #26

I know what you mean when talking to friends and relatives. It's like talking brewens Jun 2015 #57

Reminds me of a friend who now gets a huge PTSD check each month directly randys1 Jun 2015 #101

Well your headline is a strawman argument Bradical79 Jun 2015 #195

I'm for investiating and eliminating fraud in all levels of government. Throd Jun 2015 #12

The number I saw was $8.5 trillion gratuitous Jun 2015 #114

+100 Duppers Jun 2015 #152

Of course there's disability fraud. Igel Jun 2015 #5

And your point is... ? n/t DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #7

See my reply above N/T UglyGreed Jun 2015 #11

Some, but really a small percentage Prism Jun 2015 #15

I wonder what they did with that money. Let it sit in an offshore account maybe? valerief Jun 2015 #16

If I had a microphone i would give it to you so you could DROP IT randys1 Jun 2015 #104

Yes. we can do it Jun 2015 #131

Wow. Orrex Jun 2015 #198

Of course there is. So, the answer is across the board cuts? MineralMan Jun 2015 #17

Extremes are not UglyGreed Jun 2015 #24

You should go to the local media and see if you... Human101948 Jun 2015 #39

About $3 billion in tax money has been lost due to Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #18

I take the same view with disability fraud that many have claimed for the justice system CBGLuthier Jun 2015 #19

But the fraud hurts those UglyGreed Jun 2015 #27

No one is arguing in favor of fraud jberryhill Jun 2015 #34

How about we take the profit for lawyers UglyGreed Jun 2015 #71

I don't see any numbers jberryhill Jun 2015 #73

I feel UglyGreed Jun 2015 #82

Guess what, disabled people have a right to be represented jberryhill Jun 2015 #91

No some jackass decided UglyGreed Jun 2015 #94

And that doctors should make money from disease jberryhill Jun 2015 #98

Thank you! hatrack Jun 2015 #83

Lawyers are the enemy of the right, until they need one randys1 Jun 2015 #106

First off the lawyers are capped by Social Security on how giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #172

They make money on case loads or UglyGreed Jun 2015 #175

I agree with the not battling part but with there being giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #178

Many people put through the ringer UglyGreed Jun 2015 #181

The answer is less red tape not more. unapatriciated Jun 2015 #184

Lawyers who represent the disabled TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #196

Binder and Binder does make a tidy UglyGreed Jun 2015 #200

Considering the cap is only $6K TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #206

Yes volume UglyGreed Jun 2015 #207

The overblown claims of fraud are what hurt the disabled kcr Jun 2015 #191

So? blogslut Jun 2015 #21

Our culture is obsessed with punishment me b zola Jun 2015 #23

+1 L0oniX Jun 2015 #210

Republicans will never go after disability fraud. PassingFair Jun 2015 #25

For two reasons daredtowork Jun 2015 #44

Of my relatives and acquaintances who are "conservatives"... PassingFair Jun 2015 #46

The #1 reason conservatives need to stop whining about welfare and just fix it daredtowork Jun 2015 #55

you bet there is fraud KT2000 Jun 2015 #28

I battled WC UglyGreed Jun 2015 #31

+1000 valerief Jun 2015 #79

And a lot of people denied who should be getting it. Which is worse? yellowcanine Jun 2015 #29

Like myself UglyGreed Jun 2015 #32

I find it easier to get upset about folks being denied. yellowcanine Jun 2015 #37

Why does UglyGreed Jun 2015 #43

Because the sums are relatively small and going after the pikers means that yellowcanine Jun 2015 #58

Very well put. DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #59

Those people didn't get away with it daredtowork Jun 2015 #40

People like me ha UglyGreed Jun 2015 #42

Any of those parties can be investigated at any time daredtowork Jun 2015 #50

After three years UglyGreed Jun 2015 #52

Wrong. NOW YOU ARE SPREADING FALSE INFORMATION. daredtowork Jun 2015 #56

The results are in: Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #60

That proves the system works to CATCH fraud daredtowork Jun 2015 #30

Fraud makes harder for UglyGreed Jun 2015 #33

I call you on spreading Fox Talking Points daredtowork Jun 2015 #38

Yep easy to label me UglyGreed Jun 2015 #41

If they bragged they won their claim on false pretenses daredtowork Jun 2015 #51

+1 Hekate Jun 2015 #45

So. There is also bank fraud, pension and wage theft. we can do it Jun 2015 #47

Defection UglyGreed Jun 2015 #49

I have a disability. I am tired of being second guessed because of people like you. we can do it Jun 2015 #54

I have a disability also UglyGreed Jun 2015 #65

This Post is Pure Schadenfreude daredtowork Jun 2015 #84

Another attack UglyGreed Jun 2015 #97

You've attacked everyone on SSI/SSDI here. Don't even try for sympathy. nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #103

No I have not UglyGreed Jun 2015 #110

I'm proundly holding myself to the standard of Defender of the Truth. nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #113

Yes like the truth UglyGreed Jun 2015 #116

Nothing to do with your lie about the Reviews or your anecdotal "evidence". nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #121

Seven years UglyGreed Jun 2015 #124

You think your friends on Harleys qualified for No Improvement Possible? daredtowork Jun 2015 #125

Classy N/T UglyGreed Jun 2015 #128

My son has had no improvement in over 20 years. unapatriciated Jun 2015 #180

BTW doctors UglyGreed Jun 2015 #102

I also have pain management issues because I can't take aspirin or nsaids daredtowork Jun 2015 #109

I never wanted sympathy UglyGreed Jun 2015 #115

Your spouse's income does not affect your SSDisability REP Jun 2015 #117

My credits ran out UglyGreed Jun 2015 #120

You also said your spouse's income affected your ability to collect Disability (SSDI) REP Jun 2015 #122

Sorry I meant UglyGreed Jun 2015 #123

I find it very telling that UglyGreed Jun 2015 #48

I beg to differ. haele Jun 2015 #66

Guess they are in the 25% UglyGreed Jun 2015 #68

Are they on SSDI or Worker's Compensation Disability? haele Jun 2015 #77

Yes they are UglyGreed Jun 2015 #80

SSDI or Worker's Compensation? haele Jun 2015 #85

Am I the only one who officially disbelieves this claim? nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #86

Nope. REP Jun 2015 #119

Nope. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #163

I'm curious about this lawyer daredtowork Jun 2015 #78

My f-i-l was a disability lawyer DeadLetterOffice Jun 2015 #159

And many people My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #201

If you call- ruffburr Jun 2015 #61

you are the hundredth person UglyGreed Jun 2015 #63

what- ruffburr Jun 2015 #141

Lawyers and doctors UglyGreed Jun 2015 #142

Plenty of Fraud DustyJoe Jun 2015 #62

VA Disability isn't SSI/SSDI Disability daredtowork Jun 2015 #64

apples/oranges DustyJoe Jun 2015 #67

SSI/SSDI is INCREDIBLY HARD TO GET daredtowork Jun 2015 #74

just needs oversight DustyJoe Jun 2015 #87

No, you need to educate yourself: there is a TON OF OVERSIGHT daredtowork Jun 2015 #88

hard to get DustyJoe Jun 2015 #197

They fact there is an SS appeal lawyer industry is a sign of the problem daredtowork Jun 2015 #199

Yes, but TexasBushwhacker Jun 2015 #208

Difference between Disability Insurance and Retirement Disability haele Jun 2015 #70

I will tell you without a doubt some Soldiers are gaming giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #174

Instead of Carrying Water for Fox News Shouldn't We Be Arguing for Mincome? daredtowork Jun 2015 #69

Your Fox news UglyGreed Jun 2015 #72

Have you apologized for your lie yet? daredtowork Jun 2015 #75

My lies? UglyGreed Jun 2015 #92

You're reading that wrong daredtowork Jun 2015 #100

Read the document UglyGreed Jun 2015 #107

I'm IN this system daredtowork Jun 2015 #112

You are right unapatriciated Jun 2015 #183

and your slip is showing Kalidurga Jun 2015 #167

oops UglyGreed Jun 2015 #169

I will not Kalidurga Jun 2015 #171

I did not think UglyGreed Jun 2015 #177

It's only because Kalidurga Jun 2015 #185

Why would you think Texasgal Jun 2015 #76

This OP might have been aimed at me daredtowork Jun 2015 #81

Now I'm attacking you UglyGreed Jun 2015 #96

There is fraud in every program where money is involved.. sendero Jun 2015 #89

You want fraud look no further than the corporations with offshore addresses or B Calm Jun 2015 #90

Using a few anecdotes about disability fraud to cut off hundreds is absurd csziggy Jun 2015 #95

A proper system must have a small percentage of Fraud One_Life_To_Give Jun 2015 #99

Thank you for UglyGreed Jun 2015 #129

Yes it is reasonable because unapatriciated Jun 2015 #186

So just because a few idiots commit fraud onecaliberal Jun 2015 #105

Wish I could answer you. Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2015 #148

I was going to post several articles edhopper Jun 2015 #111

Please post anyway if they are handy daredtowork Jun 2015 #118

Here are a few edhopper Jun 2015 #190

Thanks - bookmarking for future use! nt daredtowork Jun 2015 #194

Well all I did was UglyGreed Jun 2015 #126

Perhaps you would feel more comfortable with your "own" onecaliberal Jun 2015 #144

Yes but UglyGreed Jun 2015 #166

It is a fraction of the costs, and my question is always the following: randys1 Jun 2015 #127

Yes, there is fraud in the SSDI, it has been documented. It does not mean the Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #130

I never said it is a bad program UglyGreed Jun 2015 #132

I did not call you a liar. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #134

Oh well UglyGreed Jun 2015 #135

What exactly would you like to be done about it? Avalux Jun 2015 #136

Sure there is but not like 60 minutes portrayed it to be madokie Jun 2015 #137

I am going by what I have seen UglyGreed Jun 2015 #138

Sorry but i'm not attacking you madokie Jun 2015 #143

I know you are not attacking me UglyGreed Jun 2015 #147

My brother's m.i.l. is one too. Duppers Jun 2015 #139

Takes guts to reply to this thread UglyGreed Jun 2015 #140

Not as much guts as it takes to out yourself by posting this thread. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #145

Jeepers. Read my replies. Duppers Jun 2015 #153

The reply wasn't to you Duppers onecaliberal Jun 2015 #156

outing myself as a person UglyGreed Jun 2015 #154

Outing yourself as a person who is on a Democratic Blog spouting Faux Talking points. onecaliberal Jun 2015 #157

Again with the Fox News BS UglyGreed Jun 2015 #158

If the shoe fits, wear it. When you come in here spouting faux talking points you are going to be onecaliberal Jun 2015 #160

So very liberal of you UglyGreed Jun 2015 #162

You yourself just posted about "invisible illness" My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #202

And you have UglyGreed Jun 2015 #203

So then report it. My Good Babushka Jun 2015 #205

Oh and let me add UglyGreed Jun 2015 #204

I agree with posters on this thread. Duppers Jun 2015 #146

+1 Lady Freedom Returns Jun 2015 #149

I understand but at least UglyGreed Jun 2015 #150

I've read some of your other posts. Duppers Jun 2015 #165

Thank you for UglyGreed Jun 2015 #168

So what? Brickbat Jun 2015 #164

humans are easily corrupted... so? spanone Jun 2015 #173

I will never doubt that fraud in that, and other, programs exist bluestateguy Jun 2015 #179

^^^^^^this^^^^^ unapatriciated Jun 2015 #187

good point Liberal_in_LA Jun 2015 #188

With people being denied UglyGreed Jun 2015 #189

OMG, there's a spider on the wall! Honey, get the flame thrower... kcr Jun 2015 #192

so what? ibegurpard Jun 2015 #193

SSDI is very hard to get. You get automatically denied. You need to get a lawyer to get it. L0oniX Jun 2015 #209