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Divernan

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145. Is it just me, or are things getting a bit Orwellian around here?

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 06:30 AM

Jun 2015

A thoughtcrime is an occurrence or instance of controversial or socially unacceptable thoughts. The term is also used to describe some theological concepts such as disbelief or idolatry,[1] or a rejection of strong social or philosophical principles.[2]

The term was popularized in the dystopian novel Nineteen Eighty-Four by George Orwell, wherein thoughtcrime is the criminal act of holding unspoken beliefs or doubts that oppose or question the ruling party. In the book, the government attempts to control not only the speech and actions, but also the thoughts of its subjects. To entertain unacceptable thoughts is known as crimethink in Newspeak, the ideologically purified dialect of the party.[3]

Thought crimes are really big in North Korea, where they are the main source of the tens of thousands of prisoners in the slave labor camps. Look cross-eyed at any members of the Holy Trinity (the 3 Kims) and not only you, but three generations of your family are shipped off to the slave labor camps/mines. http://learningenglish.voanews.com/content/north-korean-labor-camp-survivor-story/1654697.html

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I'm going to toss this out there regarding NYC_SKIP. [View all] Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 OP

That's a really good point. lovemydog Jun 2015 #1

"One thread has already reached a thousand posts." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #9

LOL lovemydog Jun 2015 #14

You should have been here when HRC was running against BHO . . . Petrushka Jun 2015 #10

I was a lurker back then.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #11

LOL Petrushka Jun 2015 #20

Vapors lovemydog Jun 2015 #27

Oh, my! Petrushka Jun 2015 #33

Bun B lovemydog Jun 2015 #37

Hugs! Petrushka Jun 2015 #40

Thank you winterwar Jun 2015 #49

Not only that BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #55

Ain't dat da troot! Petrushka Jun 2015 #116

Yeah, like women objecting to that word is somehow pearl clutching vapors... CTyankee Jun 2015 #78

Exactly! Petrushka Jun 2015 #115

Flash: "pearl clutching" is a misogynistic term! Divernan Jun 2015 #126

Misogynistic? "Ay-yi-yi," my grandma used to say, clutching her pearls. Petrushka Jun 2015 #134

Make mine a Blue Sapphire g&t w/ a twist of lime, please! Divernan Jun 2015 #144

Do not know about you but Hilary was horrible akbacchus_BC Jun 2015 #142

Don't let on that I told you, but . . . Petrushka Jun 2015 #143

All true, but NYC_SKP did not call Hillary anything. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #2

How many times have we heard of someone getting in trouble for forwarding a "joke"? Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #3

I'm unaware of that. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #5

I read it. I believe he got caught up in the moment. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #7

I finally saw the post...he did NOT use the word. SoapBox Jun 2015 #24

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #29

Ditto! I read it, and I agree with you. man4allcats Jun 2015 #43

+ 1 nenagh Jun 2015 #59

I looked it up in the Urban Dictionary and what NYC Skip did write is identified as CTyankee Jun 2015 #62

He knew exactly what it was - there a link from years ago referencing it....and if that's not enough bettyellen Jun 2015 #69

People are still acting like it's nothing? zappaman Jun 2015 #75

Yeah, we have people saying it's similar to any mean word at all- bettyellen Jun 2015 #89

I honestly don't know why his defenders here take the tack that he didn't actually CTyankee Jun 2015 #76

Jebus... joeybee12 Jun 2015 #87

Seriously, can we not do this line of arguing? Scootaloo Jun 2015 #8

It isn't evidence of anything. It's ambiguous, mysterious, hard to know exactly JDPriestly Jun 2015 #13

The banning went much too far. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #53

Question Aerows Jun 2015 #44

Point is, let's not pretend that what he said was some mystery, or unintentional Scootaloo Jun 2015 #50

The fact that he was a long time Du'er makes it worse. Hatchling Jun 2015 #118

Making a mistake Aerows Jun 2015 #120

your scary, creepy avatar has a certain misogynistic characteristic to me. 2banon Jun 2015 #124

I think he was referring to "it" rather than "her" . . . Petrushka Jun 2015 #15

Agreed. Removing the post? Good. Banning NYC_SKP? Over the top. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #21

C'mon, you knew what he was talking about and so did everyone else. CTyankee Jun 2015 #77

I finally read the post after reading here that he had used the 'c' word. He did not, that loses sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #86

....! KoKo Jun 2015 #93

Ageism, Or the myriad fat jokes I suffer every time Chris Christie makes headlines. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #129

Urban Dictionary? Petrushka Jun 2015 #114

At a glance it was meant as an insult. herding cats Jun 2015 #22

Removing the post would have been appropriate. Banning NYC_SKP was too extreme. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #25

That may well be true. herding cats Jun 2015 #28

What shoud he admit was wrong? He did not use the "c" word. He did not mention Hillary in his JDPriestly Jun 2015 #84

This is where we're going to disagree. herding cats Jun 2015 #104

If you look at the exchange between SKP and a troll... Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #106

Hillary wasn't the subject of the phrase, it was the stunt, whatever the hell the stunt is. Ed Suspicious Jun 2015 #130

Actually, it DID get hidden by a jury. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #140

There are lots of ways to say what he said. I hope they won't all be banned. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #119

Adults should not have to have a list okasha Jun 2015 #131

But the point was that he didn't use any of those words. JDPriestly Jun 2015 #141

The word he use is the equvalent....abslutely no different than saying Sheepshank Jun 2015 #117

Forum hosts should be held to a higher standard as they reflect the site more than scum like me. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #81

You're wrong. At 20k posts, you graduated from being scum to being riffraff. (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2015 #136

It was just a jump to the left.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #137

It was an excuse, not a reason. Lizzie Poppet Jun 2015 #105

+1 brer cat Jun 2015 #52

Exactly. A draconian death penalty for a misunderstanding of a 7 year member... 99Forever Jun 2015 #58

Thank you. Accuracy seems to be unimportant. I searched to try to find the 'offending post' sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #63

Who NYC_SKP supported is irrelevant to the discussion, IMO. peecoolyour Jun 2015 #4

That's typical. Think of the times we've tied a republican staffer's actions to their boss. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #6

NYC_SKP wasn't a member of Bernie's campaign. delrem Jun 2015 #12

It is extremely difficult to always use gender neutral words Blue_In_AK Jun 2015 #16

I think that's where the fault lies. delrem Jun 2015 #41

How true. mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #51

'A rose by anyother name would smell as sweet' means that the thing is what it is, no matter what Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #61

Indeed. mnhtnbb Jun 2015 #73

If double standards are your concern, consider the fact that NYC_SKP stated that he felt those who Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #112

And a skunk cabbage is a skunk cabbage is a skunk cabbage. okasha Jun 2015 #132

No it isn't hard to do that dsc Jun 2015 #74

"What contributors to DU say doesn't reflect directly back on specific politicians." Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #17

I don't see it that way. delrem Jun 2015 #34

You have to admit that your conservatives have been harmed by our Tea Party. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #66

No shite.. bet Bernie wouldn't want him. Cha Jun 2015 #19

Do you think Hillary wants you? nt delrem Jun 2015 #30

I don't have a candidate I'm commiting to yet.. I like all the candidates. are you excusing his Cha Jun 2015 #31

No, I asked you a simple question, that's all. delrem Jun 2015 #35

Good. I'm glad you're not excusing his misogynistic slur against Hillary because so many are and Cha Jun 2015 #36

Actually I don't see that, Cha. delrem Jun 2015 #38

doesn't matter.. I see it and I'm sick of it. Cha Jun 2015 #39

Is to call a politician "morally depraved" acceptable to you, then? delrem Jun 2015 #42

I've talked about that twice on this board and here it is again.. Cha Jun 2015 #45

So you forgive yourself, in retrospect, and suffered no harm. delrem Jun 2015 #46

Oh get over yourself. People grow and learn.. I have nothing to forgive. Cha Jun 2015 #47

OK delrem Jun 2015 #48

She also called Hillary a liar in very plain, stark language. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #68

Politicians get called liars here all the time treestar Jun 2015 #96

Hey! We agree on something. DisgustipatedinCA Jun 2015 #99

False equivalency. okasha Jun 2015 #133

False argument since I didn't suggest "equivalence". delrem Jun 2015 #135

What you were trying to do okasha Jun 2015 #138

What are you trying to do? delrem Jun 2015 #139

Who wouldn't want Cha? treestar Jun 2015 #94

Excellent point, Spitfire. Cha Jun 2015 #18

K & R SunSeeker Jun 2015 #23

Watch your step if you want to say any thing negative about HRC. SoapBox Jun 2015 #26

A misogynistic slur is "negative"? there have been tons of negative things said about Hillary and Cha Jun 2015 #32

Someone tried to tell me the word "tool" was worse, lol... bettyellen Jun 2015 #70

I saw that little exchange.. it was all I could do not to enter the fray. lol Cha Jun 2015 #113

how about- watch your step if you want to use a slur about a Democrat nominee for POTUS? KittyWampus Jun 2015 #54

Everyone needs to watch their step w/r/t bigoted language. nt geek tragedy Jun 2015 #56

There are hundreds - maybe thousands - of negative posts about her every week. Codeine Jun 2015 #57

There are many negative posts about Hillary and a few posters who make such posts regularly Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #64

Yeah, excepting him. funny how that works isn't it? CTyankee Jun 2015 #65

I hope that's not the lesson you got from this. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #80

Silly because plenty of negative things treestar Jun 2015 #97

A very excellent point. Bernie's campaign is in part about changing the way we campaign and run Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #60

Yes Bernie would have fired that person, and had Skip not been banned he would have been Autumn Jun 2015 #67

Wow madfloridian Jun 2015 #82

Yes, I have unsubscribed as well. I am still trying to decide what lesson is to be learned from Hiraeth Jun 2015 #90

Autumn, Did You See This? The Exact Exchange---including Reply to Banned Poster KoKo Jun 2015 #101

That's sheer speculation. closeupready Jun 2015 #71

Yes and, if a member of Hillary's campaign had implied that Bernie was a racist I would expect the Hiraeth Jun 2015 #72

There is a difference between a coordinated effort to smear and a cheap shot. Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #79

I agree the OP about Bernie was a cheap shot. What I find hard to understand is why Hiraeth Jun 2015 #83

The cheap shot was a one off slur against Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Jun 2015 #85

From my understanding of what transpired, NYC_SKP was replying to a troll who had also Hiraeth Jun 2015 #88

^^^That is it^^^ -none Jun 2015 #91

Though the idea Bernie is a racist was never said treestar Jun 2015 #98

The implication of the total OP, including the pictures chosen, was very clear. Hiraeth Jun 2015 #103

The thousand threads were launched over the ambiguity over what NYC_SKP said daredtowork Jun 2015 #92

Respectfully, totally and emphatically disagree Hiraeth Jun 2015 #95

I respect your respectful disagreement daredtowork Jun 2015 #100

Yes, I did. Did you read the post to which he was replying? Hiraeth Jun 2015 #102

Unless I missed something, wasn't he just set up by the word "cunning"? daredtowork Jun 2015 #107

I do not think Skip was an MRA. In fact, I find him to be quite the opposite. Please refer to: Hiraeth Jun 2015 #108

No Skip was not an MRA daredtowork Jun 2015 #109

Actually, given the action taken by the Admin, it will now be much easier to ban anyone Hiraeth Jun 2015 #110

IMHO, it was EarlG's wording that was poor daredtowork Jun 2015 #111

Then it is "kinda" like a poor choice of pictures for *that* OP and you know a picture is worth Hiraeth Jun 2015 #146

It wasn't Cunning Stunt daredtowork Jun 2015 #148

Yes I read the whole thing. Thing is I know nothing of this Hiraeth Jun 2015 #149

Kinda like a "thoughtcrime" ---> Petrushka Jun 2015 #122

No Kinda about it. it wAs a Thought Crime n/t 2banon Jun 2015 #125

Oops! Must remember the Ministry of Love might be watching and . . . Petrushka Jun 2015 #127

Thanks for the reminder. Been a long time since I read 1984.. (high school back in the 60's.) 2banon Jun 2015 #147

Is it just me, or are things getting a bit Orwellian around here? Divernan Jun 2015 #145

Immaterial Aerows Jun 2015 #121

Hear! Here! 2banon Jun 2015 #123

After reading all the comments above, the word for today isn't in the Urban Dictionary---I looked. Petrushka Jun 2015 #128