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jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
7. "I haven't put my money where my mouth is"
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 10:57 AM
Jun 2015

At 3:5, it's not worth it anyway. AP will probably go off at 1:5 or something ridiculous like that.

Playing horses is not about betting on the horse that's going to win the race. It's about betting on horses whose probability of winning is greater than the opinion of everyone else betting on the race.

Back when I spent an inordinate amount of time on handicapping, I used to love major stakes races and the entire Breeder's Cup card, since there was just so much money in the pools based on nothing other than hype.

Here are the payouts from the last several Belmont Stakes races:

2010 $20.40
2011 $29.60
2012 $7.50
2011 $51.50
2010 $28.99
2009 $25.80
2008 $79.00

Remarkably, the Belmont Stakes is an outlier from the iron law of handicapping - the favorite wins 1/3 of the time. That's remarkably consistent and, of course, you have to consider the normal reasons why the favorite *is* the favorite, and keep that in mind in exotics, which are less efficient markets than straight bets, but often better informed. In major stakes races you can often spot combinations on an exacta grid where the payouts are not consistent with the combined win odds of the same combinations. In other words if you ranked the horses by win odds, and then ranked the horses by payout on the exacta table combined with the favorite, you'll frequently get dramatically different rankings.

Why? Because so much dumb money comes into the pools for these things, which is great. When you can spot a large inefficiency between the win pool and the exacta pool, you can play those against each other without actually handicapping the race. It'll eventually drive you crazy, though, and I had to decide whether my actual job was less demanding at one point years ago.

Here's how badly these things skew (I added the post time win odds to the payouts):

Preakness:

American Pharoah $3.80 $3.40 $2.80 4:5
Tale of Verve $19.00 $8.80 30:1
Divining Rod $5.20 12:1

Kentucky Derby:

American Pharoah $7.80 $5.80 $4.20 5:2
Firing Line $8.40 $5.40 30:1
Dortmund $4.20 3:1


Why, why, why would any sane individual risk two hard-earned dollars to win a buck eighty when - and this is indisputable - there is no horse in an eight horse elite race that should be going off at double digits in the first place. This isn't a $2,500 maiden claimer at the local racino. They didn't fill out this card with giraffes.

But, you say, what if American Pharoah wins? Well, sure, the horse could win. And after handing over a whole two US dollars to the tender mercies of the New York Racing Association for for a gut wrenching two and a half minutes while having your view blocked by a guy in a greasy track suit with a five hour old unlit cigar in his mouth frantically whipping himself with a rolled up program shouting "Come on! Come On!".... you'll get your two dollars back along with two quarters and a dime. All I can say to that is "Don't spend it all in one place."

So, look, this race only comes around once a year, and it's happening today. It's no time to go small. Maybe your kid will win a scholarship to college, and that's a long way off. Mortgage rates are low. Go look under the sofa cushions. Whatever you have to do, as long as you pay it back before your spouse finds out, which will be first thing tomorrow morning, right?

Get that bankroll together, send me a PM, and for a mere 10% of your stake by Paypal by post time, I'll let you in on a sure thing.






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He could win. He is a nice relaxed horse and easy with his works, he has the odds. Sunlei Jun 2015 #1
Steve Kornacki today said his bet was on Frammento... CTyankee Jun 2015 #2
I really like Frosted. n/t Horse with no Name Jun 2015 #16
I always bet on the horse with safeinOhio Jun 2015 #3
heh shanti Jun 2015 #22
A long tail mght be an indication of good health, but white feet are not a good thing csziggy Jun 2015 #36
I think his tail safeinOhio Jun 2015 #39
One of the announcers said it was chewed off by another horse csziggy Jun 2015 #43
Belmont breaks horses' and riders' hearts Recursion Jun 2015 #4
Not for Big Red lancer78 Jun 2015 #23
So awesome. narnian60 Jun 2015 #26
My dad a big man, fell right out of his chair to all fours, yelling Look at Him !! orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #27
I saw this trainer talking about Secretariat years ago... A HERETIC I AM Jun 2015 #29
His stride angle lancer78 Jun 2015 #30
Beautiful! Bobbie Jo Jun 2015 #31
Yes. We will witness history later today. GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #5
My money is on Frosted, but I would absolutely love to see American Pharoah win Recursion Jun 2015 #8
I had tears in my eyes when he came out of the final turn GreatGazoo Jun 2015 #40
I have to laugh matt819 Jun 2015 #6
While people pay more money to breed to winning stallions csziggy Jun 2015 #37
"I haven't put my money where my mouth is" jberryhill Jun 2015 #7
Just don't get Tootsi Fruitsi'd. longship Jun 2015 #12
I got the horse right here, his name is paul revere... CTyankee Jun 2015 #17
I used to be great at picking the grocery store races underpants Jun 2015 #28
I think he's got a good chance. LWolf Jun 2015 #9
Morning news is lobbing at the jockey: "two timing" and "uses whip too much" UTUSN Jun 2015 #10
Impossible to know Johonny Jun 2015 #11
Don't trainers simulate the distance of the Belmont track in preparing for this race? CTyankee Jun 2015 #18
The track clocker is a nice person to know Johonny Jun 2015 #19
Yes!! riderinthestorm Jun 2015 #13
20 lengths.. kentuck Jun 2015 #14
Magic 8 Ball says Show, 10 lengths behind. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #15
Here's why he'll win.... CANDO Jun 2015 #20
I kinda think that way myself...but mostly I don't really care. CTyankee Jun 2015 #21
Some say there were 2 TC winners in 1978. Remember Alydar, who ran R B Garr Jun 2015 #24
I don't think so, but it would be nice to see. n/t winter is coming Jun 2015 #25
We shall see malaise Jun 2015 #32
Yes he can malaise Jun 2015 #33
The answer is YES! JHB Jun 2015 #34
Spoiler nadinbrzezinski Jun 2015 #35
I wonder what he had that the others did not? CTyankee Jun 2015 #38
Horses don't talk jberryhill Jun 2015 #41
OH yeah Johonny Jun 2015 #42
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