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whatthehey

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25. Of course suggested alternatives are either a) already given or b) fucking stupid
Sat Jun 6, 2015, 12:15 PM
Jun 2015

What about people whose benefits have run out? Already in the headline declining U3 if looking for work just once in a month. Benefits have ZERO ZIP NADA impact on being counted in any U- rate.

What about people who have to work part time? Already covered in U6, also declining.

What about people who haven't looked in a couple months for contrived extreme "reason" X, Y, Z? Already covered in U5, also declining.

What about people who haven't looked in a year? They are not fucking unemployed workers, they have not the slightest interest in working. If you can't get off your arse to apply once in a whole fucking year what's the difference between you and a non-worker like a homemaker by choice or a trust fund dilettante? If you make not a single effort to find work in a whole year how can you in any sense claim to want to, and be able to, work (I'm sure many profoundly disabled folks want to work,but just can't, and they are thus not unemployed workers either, but out of the workforce entirely)? There are no jobs? Bullshit - there are over 5 million openings. You might have to find something else to do other than underwater welding in Boise ID, but that doesn't mean there are no jobs, just no jobs that fit your narrow self-imposed limitations. I'm not doing the kind of work I started doing, or in the same state I started in. There is no immutable right to the same career in the same town if you really want a job.

What about the LFPR! That proves it's all smoke and mirrors! Except the LFPR is based on anyone out of jail or the military who is over 16, two years before graduating HS, with no upper limit. More kids stay in school? Good thing, but LFPR goes down. More go to college? Ditto. More people hit retirement (gosh that's a surprise 60-odd years after a massive baby boom eh)? Yep LFPR goes down. Those darned 68 year old retired ironworkers with decent pensions but pain-wracked bodies are really unemployed? They should be working or looking for it? Few would say so but they are in that LFPR just like my 80-something Emeritus Prof father in law who retired a decade or more ago. He is shadow unemployed? Like hell.


Oh and I notice the old canard about "seasonal adjustments are just manipulations to make things look better" isn't coming up much now the unadjusted rate is lower. It's OK doomers, come winter you can start using that bullshit again too.

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Haven't there always been "hidden" unemployed?? DCBob Jun 2015 #1
No, everything bad started when Obama became president Democat Jun 2015 #2
You forgot the sarcasm gif, right? nt brush Jun 2015 #3
Seems alot of people want to change the way we calculate unemployment now. DCBob Jun 2015 #4
I don't know who those people are. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #17
I think its simply a very difficult number to determine accurately. DCBob Jun 2015 #18
Infaltion rates that don't include food or energy, CrispyQ Jun 2015 #23
Crazy, right? And yet, they always seem to be telling us to live in reality. Yikes! nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #39
Yes, the CPI includes food and energy. I wish this zombie would die Recursion Jun 2015 #41
The cartoon never even mentioned Obama nxylas Jun 2015 #5
It suggests the government is not taking into account the millions of "hidden" unemployed. DCBob Jun 2015 #7
Which is true nxylas Jun 2015 #14
Well, did this cartoon ever run prior to the current administration? DCBob Jun 2015 #15
But that's pretty circumstantial evidence nxylas Jun 2015 #19
You mean did it run before 2015, 7 years after the 2008 financial crises, right? Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #20
After six years of Obama Derangement Syndrome, SCVDem Jun 2015 #12
The cartoonist's work is regularly featured at Townhall.com MADem Jun 2015 #28
Well, that changes things nxylas Jun 2015 #31
DU didn't trust unemployment figures back when Bush was prez. CrispyQ Jun 2015 #24
The way it is tallied awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #26
No. it started under JFK. Then Reagan took it several steps further. Then Clinton. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #35
Thanks, didn't know it went back that far.... awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #36
JFK removed "discouraged workers" from unemployment figures in 1961. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #37
I've been complaining since Reagan. Though, since JFK, the govt. has been fudging the numbers. Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #33
Thanks for the info BuelahWitch Jun 2015 #38
Of course - for instance - when they tell us that the rate is "5.5 percent" that is overall - it jwirr Jun 2015 #21
Yes, but not to the extent there are today. hifiguy Jun 2015 #30
Yes, I am sure it worse today than before.. DCBob Jun 2015 #32
Nop. Started with JFK who removed discouraged workers in 1961. But Reagan did more to fudge the Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #34
Great cartoon Gothmog Jun 2015 #6
I am one of those shadows at the end of the line. SmittynMo Jun 2015 #8
Sorry to hear that.. I was almost there too being an IT guy in mid 50's. DCBob Jun 2015 #9
The official unemployment rate almost always SheilaT Jun 2015 #10
Those who aren't looking for work are counted, in the U-4, and it's 0.5% of the population Recursion Jun 2015 #42
K&R Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #11
We need a policy of full employment Agony Jun 2015 #13
There will NEVER be 'full employment'! relrod Jun 2015 #40
Full employment for those able to work. uppityperson Jun 2015 #43
Toon shows,,,, Cryptoad Jun 2015 #16
You did--see post 28! nt MADem Jun 2015 #29
Homeless rate...er um sputter...FREEDOM! AMERICA! WE'RE NUMBER #1!!!! Rex Jun 2015 #22
Of course suggested alternatives are either a) already given or b) fucking stupid whatthehey Jun 2015 #25
K&R WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #27
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