frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of democracy. Updated

[Gregorian]

23. I know I sound like a broken record, but

Forty years ago even, I would discuss the fact that we have a fixed amount of resources, and an ever increasing number of people on the planet. The growing population literally creates scarcity. I think the Iraq invasion was at least partly due to their desire to keep China from growing so rapidly. We are talking about the love of money, and survival.

And democracy takes a back seat to survival.

Everything I see now appears to be some kind of effort to either keep the whole house of cards standing, or a means by which money can be made by a few greedy people.

I know my post sounds obtuse and unrelated, and in a way it is. I strayed from what I feel you were discussing. Maybe democracy is possible under even the most dire circumstances. Maybe my post is just pushing something I'm serious about. I feel it's related.