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Tarheel_Dem

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149. "Offering"? Who are Bernie's natural allies in Congress? The progressive caucus is quite small.

Sat Jun 6, 2015, 05:31 PM

Jun 2015

If it's non voters you guys are depending on, go for it. The more the better. But why anyone would place their hopes on said group is bewildering in itself. The most loyal sub demographic of the democratic coalition is still AA's, and there's no way around that in a state with a "diverse" population. We saw in 2012 how easily "disillusioned" white democratic voters could become, as many abandoned the party in a tough re-election. At the same time, AA turnout remained high from 2008, while Hispanic and Asian turnout increased. That's the coalition that will elect Hillary Clinton.

I'll say again, Bernie's appeal is limited to a very small subgroup of the democratic coalition. They are much further left than the party, and while they can influence policy, they will not be allowed to take over.

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Bernie Sanders Is Surging Among White Democrats, Minorities Love Hillary [View all] oberliner Jun 2015 OP

Does name recognition equate to support? guillaumeb Jun 2015 #1

Bernie Sanders is surging among whites oberliner Jun 2015 #2

I don't think he is not surging with non-whites though. HornBuckler Jun 2015 #5

It doesn't appear he is surging among Tar Heel state African American Democrats DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #20

Give Bernie time.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #25

Name recognition ... Yeah, that's it ... Name recognition! n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #27

Noticed. No comment, however... n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #58

Hillary has been a household name since the 90s Zamen Jun 2015 #131

When is your primary? The candidates are focusing on Iowa and New Hampshire right now. And jwirr Jun 2015 #42

North Carolina's is March 1st - Super Tuesday. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #152

By that time we will have a lot of answers. I have mine written on the calendar but can never jwirr Jun 2015 #156

You're welcome. (n/t) WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #157

Expect that number to change very little, even after we "get to know him". Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #69

You don't? ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #101

"reminding" us enough about the shady stuff done in the 2008 primary." Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #135

White liberal Sanders supporters in Iowa are no more obligated to clear the field for Hillary now betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #126

Right now Obama has an 89% approval rating among dem caucus-goers in Iowa. Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #133

It measures 2012 dem caucus goers betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #134

Nope Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #139

The only way you can determine who is 'likely caucus goer' is to measure who went last time. n/t betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #141

Here's the methodology Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #143

Landline surveys of people already making plans to attend = Hardcore old Democrats. betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #146

Thankfully, there aren't enough "Iowa liberals" in NC to make Bernie a threat here. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #136

There are many non-voters so don't get comfortable. Nothing prevents them from registering betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #142

"Offering"? Who are Bernie's natural allies in Congress? The progressive caucus is quite small. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #149

I don't see why african americans would find a white women who offers little more appealing than betterdemsonly Jun 2015 #151

Sometimes it isn't so much the message as it is the messenger. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #153

There are close to 1,750,000 Unaffiliateds in North Carolina. WorseBeforeBetter Jun 2015 #148

Good luck with that! Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #150

Surging is one thing. Inspiring is another. eom guillaumeb Jun 2015 #6

Surging is an overstatement karynnj Jun 2015 #108

there is only one Obama JI7 Jun 2015 #3

Not exactly. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #7

I like her yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #10

You mean like Senator? nt karynnj Jun 2015 #109

Or House or start at the state level or maybe an Attorney General yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #112

Dynasties are for Republicans. hifiguy Jun 2015 #23

John Adams and John Quincy Adams would disagree you on that dlwickham Jun 2015 #32

John was pretty reactionary. hifiguy Jun 2015 #33

Both the country and the Presidency were a lot different then. The other example is Bush. merrily Jun 2015 #113

Hahaha. I agree with you that was one of the reasons, but currently inheritance and not the KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #106

Dynasties of wealth are just as toxic in a democracy. guillaumeb Jun 2015 #158

She has said more than once that she doesn't have the temperment Obama has. freshwest Jun 2015 #159

+1 Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #14

Already somebody implied some folks don't know why they like the candidate they like./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #18

A song about missing him in January 2009: freshwest Jun 2015 #62

Yes ... Name recognition ... That's it! ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #26

I mean, *obviously* black voters won't have heard of him Recursion Jun 2015 #75

Nope... not at all racist Recursion Jun 2015 #74

Other recognition, too HassleCat Jun 2015 #128

Excellent point made. tymorial Jun 2015 #129

As long as everyone comes together for the General Election. nt FLPanhandle Jun 2015 #4

Polls on subsamples tend to be very unreliable. Mass Jun 2015 #8

Are you suggesting that Hillary's strength among people of color is an artifact? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #21

Yes, she is ahead, but the numbers themselves are BS, and you know it because Mass Jun 2015 #48

Other polls DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #52

There is no such comment in the OP oberliner Jun 2015 #98

G.E. POLL . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #9

I'd call Sanders the more "traditional" Dem, aside from that Independent thing :) arcane1 Jun 2015 #11

Exactly! TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #51

Surging...............surging.. pangaia Jun 2015 #12

I said this after his kickoff, and was roundly pilloried for "race baiting". It's good to be right. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #13

So you don't believe in Bernie's social justice philosophy Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #35

At this point, Sanders doesn't seem to have made that case to minority populations mythology Jun 2015 #57

Well said. If he makes the case, minorities will listen. Number23 Jun 2015 #63

Well said! zappaman Jun 2015 #145

You answered that perfectly. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #67

Question. Admiral Loinpresser Jun 2015 #123

It's who she's talking to & the issues she's speaking out about. Those same issues are important... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #137

Meh. It's an exaggeration. cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #15

Hillary may have some trouble with Latinos KamaAina Jun 2015 #16

Hispanics voted for Sen. Hillary Clinton over Sen. Barack Obama by a margin of nearly two-to-one oberliner Jun 2015 #17

Have you ever heard of "Machismo"? cherokeeprogressive Jun 2015 #56

Yes, so? lunamagica Jun 2015 #132

I doubt it. Beacool Jun 2015 #70

And to this point ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #100

Ironic that Hillary's hard working white people are starting to abandon her for Bernie Fumesucker Jun 2015 #19

She's just like Jesse Jackson geek tragedy Jun 2015 #28

Only lefty political junkies know who Bernie is at this point. hifiguy Jun 2015 #22

Isn't that his base? oberliner Jun 2015 #30

Traditional Democrats are the republican lite ones? PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #24

Of course they are, just ask them Fumesucker Jun 2015 #29

This doesn't surprise me in the least. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #31

It's just empirical evidence confirming anecdotal evidence./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #34

I support Bernie Sanders Aerows Jun 2015 #36

Not about you- it's about how the current demographics for both candidates. bettyellen Jun 2015 #37

I should have said "you" in quotes, I guess, Aerows Jun 2015 #38

Ha! Well I am glad to know you're not taking it personally... bettyellen Jun 2015 #41

I didn't know Aerows Jun 2015 #45

If Americans followed the plot in politics as much as they do sports bettyellen Jun 2015 #49

LOL ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #102

I've long believed that some are only interested in politics as a game- that's for sure. bettyellen Jun 2015 #114

Huh? oberliner Jun 2015 #40

I think that is to be expected. Bernie got into trouble because he announced his run in his home jwirr Jun 2015 #39

Careful with the "not enough" weren't those the exact words that spawned a thousand lies here? bettyellen Jun 2015 #43

No idea what you are talking aboout. jwirr Jun 2015 #47

Those were the last words in a post about Sanders campaign.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #50

Yeah, I am often glad I am missing thing lately. jwirr Jun 2015 #53

Yeah, I been around too much lately.... Server issues leaving me in work limbo. :-( bettyellen Jun 2015 #55

Sure voting rights,voter fraud is an issue but INdemo Jun 2015 #44

The calculated denial of the right to vote is an issue. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #104

And we're off! Bonobo Jun 2015 #46

In what universe could it possibly imply that? oberliner Jun 2015 #54

How is it possible? U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #59

The OP is just reporting data oberliner Jun 2015 #93

I don't think it's that hard to see. Surprised I'd have to explain it. Bonobo Jun 2015 #60

It's NBC News' title not Oberliner's. title./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #66

That is different than implying Sanders is racist oberliner Jun 2015 #94

Yeah that's weird; but, I suspect ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #105

It will be interesting to see how it plays out oberliner Jun 2015 #107

No. Not particularly ... 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #110

Inflammatory bullshit. No one can report on demographics now- bettyellen Jun 2015 #115

It doesn't say anything like that gollygee Jun 2015 #118

I felt the implication was that Sanders wasn't doing enough Zamen Jun 2015 #127

I don't think he is doing enough to court people of color to vote for him gollygee Jun 2015 #130

That is a very strange title for an article. madfloridian Jun 2015 #61

Dog whistle AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #65

You know what else is a dog whistle? "Name recognition" Recursion Jun 2015 #76

How is that a 'dog whistle'? AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #78

What do you mean by that? oberliner Jun 2015 #96

. AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #124

Seems to me Egnever Jun 2015 #77

Seriously? oberliner Jun 2015 #97

NBC News is gearing it's titles to divide DU? oberliner Jun 2015 #95

From Gravity's Rainbow: deutsey Jun 2015 #116

Do you see the reactions to your OP? This is how the "people called Bernie a racist" lie got started Number23 Jun 2015 #64

yeah, we see them.. Cha Jun 2015 #71

You know who addressed this better than you & I ever could? Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #72

"You can't bring up race, in any context, without being accused of calling someone a racist". Number23 Jun 2015 #79

Post removed Post removed Jun 2015 #117

Not sure what "Name Removed" had to say, but it must have been a pip. If we're too cowardly... Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #154

Honestly find it very strange oberliner Jun 2015 #99

There's been no implication of Sanders being racist anywhere. Number23 Jun 2015 #155

Not surprising. romanic Jun 2015 #68

This bodes well for Hillary in Nov. 2016 ucrdem Jun 2015 #73

This is why Bernie has no prayer of winning the primaries BluegrassDem Jun 2015 #80

Amazing that it is implied from a Poll.... LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #81

Here's the problem: Bernie has made opposition to the TPP the centerpiece of his campaign. ucrdem Jun 2015 #82

TPP = Fascism AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #84

Fine, and what does that make President Obama? ucrdem Jun 2015 #85

It makes him a right wing Democrat AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #86

LOL. Democracts aren't fascists. nt ucrdem Jun 2015 #89

No, but TPP is AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #90

You can't have it both ways. Except of course on the internet ucrdem Jun 2015 #91

Sure you can AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #147

WHAT? LovingA2andMI Jun 2015 #87

The fact is that whether it passes or not Sanders has made himself an Obama opponent. ucrdem Jun 2015 #92

Here are three more polls from the same time period that suggest the same exact phenomenon DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #103

She was ruthlessly pummelled by Obama supporters in 08 AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #83

there are people outside of chat rooms and media personalities JI7 Jun 2015 #88

Does anyone have a good source for 2008 Dem primary candidates and demographics? aikoaiko Jun 2015 #111

Your analysis is correct... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #119

I am a Minoritiy and I will stand yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #120

This so-called "minority" leans towards Sanders, fwiw... Blue_Tires Jun 2015 #121

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #122

Jews are about what? 1.4% of the US population. Bonobo Jun 2015 #125

The majority of Jews in the US are white Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #144

An obvious NBC pant load. How many political ads will Hillary be airing on NBC? L0oniX Jun 2015 #138

This article is very positive about Sanders oberliner Jun 2015 #140