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31. Is anyone else unsettled by the idea of placing at risk kids together

Reply to Are_grits_groceries (Original post)

Sat May 12, 2012, 12:31 PM

May 2012

in an atmosphere where the adults are not quiet sure what the appropriate course of action is. Seems to me the Summer camp is simply a training ground for deeper and more affective dysfunction.

Sounds like the perfect setting for the following, except with children who will take their new found skills and grow into perfecting them before they reach the more powerful realm of adulthood.

In one oft-cited study, an inmate therapy group that halved the recidivism rate in violent prisoners famously increased the rate of “successful” crimes in psychopaths, by improving their ability to mimic regret and self-reflection.

I think identification, at least at this point, may be causing far more harm than good. The method being employed to study these kids seems incredibly dangerous to me.

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Can You Call a 9-Year-Old a Psychopath? [View all] Are_grits_groceries May 2012 OP

Yes. no_hypocrisy May 2012 #1

Unless a kid is setting fires and torturing animals or other kids cali May 2012 #2

I agree with not labeling children really at all, Lionessa May 2012 #8

we have one. label them after diagnosis then treatment roguevalley May 2012 #15

I believe in individuality, period. Labels with or without diagnosis, medicating children or adults Lionessa May 2012 #18

if you believe teachers want things easy you are kidding yourself roguevalley May 2012 #76

Thank you for posting. Am bookmarking for a later re-read. - n/t coalition_unwilling May 2012 #3

Yes, unquestionably. slackmaster May 2012 #4

Holy smokes! HappyMe May 2012 #5

I think this article is largely shit cali May 2012 #9

You are entitled to your opinion. HappyMe May 2012 #11

It is what it is. Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #14

I agree with you, grits BlancheSplanchnik May 2012 #64

None of the "manipulative" behaviors were positive Taitertots May 2012 #30

clearly you didn't read the whole article, so discussing it with you is pointless. cali May 2012 #56

I read the article and what you are saying is total non-sense Taitertots May 2012 #58

That's what it's really like LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #61

+1,000,000,000 x 1,000,000,000 - My wife got shucked and jived coalition_unwilling May 2012 #69

Oh yes, and the well-meaning suggestions LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #72

I sure as HELL won't judge you. DevonRex May 2012 #77

We're not related, are we? LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #78

This message was self-deleted by its author DevonRex May 2012 #79

Nope. DevonRex May 2012 #81

Good, that was almost awkward LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #83

About 7 or 8 years ago, I dealt with this with a coworker's son TheCruces May 2012 #85

Yeah, that's the kind of thing I'm talking about. DevonRex May 2012 #88

Exactly TheCruces May 2012 #92

Yes, however, I believe psychopathy is more a matter Lionessa May 2012 #6

There's a lot of talk about brain morphology in the article XemaSab May 2012 #17

Yeah, like there's lots of talk about seretonin with regard Lionessa May 2012 #21

They're working on a measurement technique FarCenter May 2012 #23

an awful lot of people are taking anti-ds, for them to be "working on" it. Lionessa May 2012 #25

BTW, just reading the excerpt provided I can tell much is the Lionessa May 2012 #24

Blaming the mom? Really? XemaSab May 2012 #26

Absolutely, and the parents need to be able to learn to teach Lionessa May 2012 #28

You grab them by the throat, roll them on their back, and hold them until they stop struggling. FarCenter May 2012 #32

Yeah, that's extreme puppy/dog discipline, alpha or not, Lionessa May 2012 #60

LOL.. paging Dr Frist, paging Dr Frist... dionysus May 2012 #62

You can't teach a child good behavior when they don't see it as LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #80

You're in over your head here. DevonRex May 2012 #84

We seem to be agreeing, though you're doing in a very disagreeable way. Lionessa May 2012 #91

Brain morphology can actually change due to environment. FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #38

Abnormal Oxytocin levels could play a part in low empathy and poor attachment FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #52

Interesting article. laundry_queen May 2012 #67

The conflict in the responses to this thread vrs the responses from the breast feeding threads FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #71

Every adult psychopath was once a child.. pipoman May 2012 #7

this Schema Thing May 2012 #10

This and giving all children the benefit of the doubt justiceischeap May 2012 #12

They don't know HOW to help though laundry_queen May 2012 #49

Yes. Did you happen to catch this article about psychopaths brain structures? riderinthestorm May 2012 #13

Psychopaths Have Distinct Brain Structure, Study Finds FarCenter May 2012 #20

Yes, but.... laundry_queen May 2012 #39

True, but... FarCenter May 2012 #42

Does it say they gave him a brain scan? laundry_queen May 2012 #48

No, but they probably should as a diagnostic technique. FarCenter May 2012 #54

"Curiosity- How Evil Are You" on Discovery Channel LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #82

That's the one. :) nt laundry_queen May 2012 #87

On DU? Primarily in restaurants and airplanes, I believe jberryhill May 2012 #16

I love everything about this post.....well played. nt msanthrope May 2012 #90

Yes. obamanut2012 May 2012 #19

the mom, as described in the last few paragraphs of this article sets off my cali May 2012 #22

Alarm bells.... laundry_queen May 2012 #37

.you're right. it's giant red flags cali May 2012 #51

They won't diagnose it at that age; LadyHawkAZ May 2012 #27

Or, ODD... dog_lovin_dem May 2012 #29

Yeah, I was surprised I did not see ODD mentioned in the article (although coalition_unwilling May 2012 #46

Is anyone else unsettled by the idea of placing at risk kids together FedUpWithIt All May 2012 #31

A chance to connect, learn new strategies and stay in touch. Lars39 May 2012 #33

I totally agree. nt laundry_queen May 2012 #35

I see a lot of focus on the Mother, but I see the Fathers behavior as much worse Taitertots May 2012 #34

That and laundry_queen May 2012 #36

He acknowledges that Allan "pokes" at him, but doesn't punish Allan for teasing his brother Taitertots May 2012 #43

Oops, sorry Jake unpaused it and Allan giggled. laundry_queen May 2012 #50

It's called "Conduct Disorder" when they are kids. Odin2005 May 2012 #40

What a devastating story. That poor kid, and his poor family. I hope they find something that works. Brickbat May 2012 #41

"The Bad Seed" - 1956 man4allcats May 2012 #44

I think some behaviors are beyond the control of parenting. CakeGrrl May 2012 #75

Here's what I see. laundry_queen May 2012 #45

+1 cali May 2012 #53

‘Well, you didn’t think that through very clearly then, did you?’ alphafemale May 2012 #47

You really can't label much pathology in children... YellowRubberDuckie May 2012 #55

Sadly, yes. proud2BlibKansan May 2012 #57

I'm not qualified to call anyone a psychopath. (n/t) Iggo May 2012 #59

If their last name is Bush, then sure n2doc May 2012 #63

Is the term psychopath or sociopath because I've heard both white_wolf May 2012 #65

The terms are almost synonymous. backscatter712 May 2012 #73

Psychopath = a bullshit word. And all the studies that show "psychopaths" have different HiPointDem May 2012 #66

Would you care to provide some info Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #68

Yipes. Do you believe that the scientific method offers coalition_unwilling May 2012 #70

Oh look, and ideological blank-slater. Odin2005 May 2012 #74

Here are 2 other cases mentioned in the article: Are_grits_groceries May 2012 #86

This has been really interesting reading. DevonRex May 2012 #89