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In reply to the discussion: frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of democracy. Updated [View all]OnyxCollie
(9,958 posts)258. Here's some context for you:
Wooddy, C. H. (1935). Education and propaganda. Annals of the American Academy of Political and Social Sciences, 179, 227-239.
Education is motivated by service to society as a whole; propaganda is devoted to advancing the interest of a special group.
All propaganda masquerades as a contribution to the public benefit.
propaganda consists in teaching facts or opinions insisted upon by persons or groups not a part of the school machinery.
Education consists in transmitting the social inheritance; propaganda consists in indoctrinating those who are taught with a desire to alter the social system.
Profound changes must be made in our economic system if the natural and technological resources of the country are to be utilized for all. America will choose between Fascist control by a privileged group and control by the people, for the people. If the school is to serve the people, the roads of free inquiry must be kept open. Let us not be deceived. Powerful forces are seeking to destroy this freedom. These forces are the enemies of the school and of the people.
But if America must choose, it must know the alternatives and be untrammeled in its choice. Democracy implies the capacity to choose; teaching which hampers that capacity by suppressing or falsely emphasizing the alternatives betrays the democratic cause.3
Education is motivated by service to society as a whole; propaganda is devoted to advancing the interest of a special group.
All propaganda masquerades as a contribution to the public benefit.
propaganda consists in teaching facts or opinions insisted upon by persons or groups not a part of the school machinery.
Education consists in transmitting the social inheritance; propaganda consists in indoctrinating those who are taught with a desire to alter the social system.
Profound changes must be made in our economic system if the natural and technological resources of the country are to be utilized for all. America will choose between Fascist control by a privileged group and control by the people, for the people. If the school is to serve the people, the roads of free inquiry must be kept open. Let us not be deceived. Powerful forces are seeking to destroy this freedom. These forces are the enemies of the school and of the people.
But if America must choose, it must know the alternatives and be untrammeled in its choice. Democracy implies the capacity to choose; teaching which hampers that capacity by suppressing or falsely emphasizing the alternatives betrays the democratic cause.3
THE ADMINISTERED SOCIETY Totalitarianism Without Terror Author: Allen Kassof World Politics 16(4) (1964) 558-575.
TOTALITARIANISM WITHOUT TERROR
The concept of the administered society is proposed as a way of saying that there can be totalism without terror; it recognizes that the changes in the Soviet Union have been real and vast (after all, totalism without terror is something new); but it insists that, far from developing alternatives to totalism, Soviet society is being subjected to new and more subtle forms of it, and that the Stalinist past is being streamlined rather than rejected.
The case for the administered society is not subject to proof of an absolute kind, for not only is such a concept more or less useful rather than right or wrong, but its application to the affairs of a live society cannot possibly cover all contingencies. It does, however, provide a general framework for depicting the Soviet system under Khrushchev (and probably his successors as well), sensitizing us to interpretations that otherwise might go unnoticed and enabling us to see patterns in apparently unconnected trends.
SOCIAL STRATIFICATION Under Stalin, the differences in income, life-style, and perquisites of the various occupational strata came to be very wide indeed, certainly so in contrast with the Marxist vision of the classless order, also in absolute terms.
The growth of pluralism, or at least of the capacity of a population to erode the monolithism of a social system, seems to depend to a considerable degree upon the opportunities available to various social groupings (especially, perhaps, in the upper ranges of the stratification system) to develop over the generations, without undue manipulation and interference from the outside and with reasonable probabilities of continuity, their own traditions, expectations, and behavior patterns -in short, upon opportunities to develop into subcommunities of interest.
TOTALITARIANISM WITHOUT TERROR
The concept of the administered society is proposed as a way of saying that there can be totalism without terror; it recognizes that the changes in the Soviet Union have been real and vast (after all, totalism without terror is something new); but it insists that, far from developing alternatives to totalism, Soviet society is being subjected to new and more subtle forms of it, and that the Stalinist past is being streamlined rather than rejected.
The case for the administered society is not subject to proof of an absolute kind, for not only is such a concept more or less useful rather than right or wrong, but its application to the affairs of a live society cannot possibly cover all contingencies. It does, however, provide a general framework for depicting the Soviet system under Khrushchev (and probably his successors as well), sensitizing us to interpretations that otherwise might go unnoticed and enabling us to see patterns in apparently unconnected trends.
SOCIAL STRATIFICATION Under Stalin, the differences in income, life-style, and perquisites of the various occupational strata came to be very wide indeed, certainly so in contrast with the Marxist vision of the classless order, also in absolute terms.
The growth of pluralism, or at least of the capacity of a population to erode the monolithism of a social system, seems to depend to a considerable degree upon the opportunities available to various social groupings (especially, perhaps, in the upper ranges of the stratification system) to develop over the generations, without undue manipulation and interference from the outside and with reasonable probabilities of continuity, their own traditions, expectations, and behavior patterns -in short, upon opportunities to develop into subcommunities of interest.
Working for the Few
Political Capture and Economic Inequality
178 Oxfam Briefing Paper Summary
www.oxfam.org
Extreme economic inequality is damaging and worrying for many reasons: it is morally questionable; it can have negative impacts on economic growth and poverty reduction; and it can multiply social problems. It compounds other inequalities, such as those between women and men. In many countries, extreme economic inequality is worrying because of the pernicious impact that wealth concentrations can have on equal political representation. When wealth captures government policymaking, the rules bend to favor the rich, often to the detriment of everyone else. The consequences include the erosion of democratic governance, the pulling apart of social cohesion, and the vanishing of equal opportunities for all. Unless bold political solutions are instituted to curb the influence of wealth on politics, governments will work for the interests of the rich, while economic and political inequalities continue to rise. As US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis famously said, We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we cannot have both.
Oxfam is concerned that, left unchecked, the effects are potentially immutable, and will lead to opportunity capture in which the lowest tax rates, the best education, and the best healthcare are claimed by the children of the rich. This creates dynamic and mutually reinforcing cycles of advantage that are transmitted across generations.
Given the scale of rising wealth concentrations, opportunity capture and unequal political representation are a serious and worrying trend. For instance:
Almost half of the worlds wealth is now owned by just one percent of the population.2
The wealth of the one percent richest people in the world amounts to $110 trillion. Thats 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the worlds population.3
The bottom half of the worlds population owns the same as the richest 85 people in the world.4
Seven out of ten people live in countries where economic inequality has increased in the last 30 years.5
The richest one percent increased their share of income in 24 out of 26 countries for which we have data between 1980 and 2012.6
In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.7
~snip~
Oxfams polling from across the world captures the belief of many that laws and regulations are now designed to benefit the rich. A survey in six countries (Spain, Brazil, India, South Africa, the UK and the US) showed that a majority of people believe that laws are skewed in favor of the rich in Spain eight out of 10 people agreed with this statement. Another recent Oxfam poll of low-wage earners in the US reveals that 65 percent believe that Congress passes laws that predominantly benefit the wealthy.
Political Capture and Economic Inequality
178 Oxfam Briefing Paper Summary
www.oxfam.org
Extreme economic inequality is damaging and worrying for many reasons: it is morally questionable; it can have negative impacts on economic growth and poverty reduction; and it can multiply social problems. It compounds other inequalities, such as those between women and men. In many countries, extreme economic inequality is worrying because of the pernicious impact that wealth concentrations can have on equal political representation. When wealth captures government policymaking, the rules bend to favor the rich, often to the detriment of everyone else. The consequences include the erosion of democratic governance, the pulling apart of social cohesion, and the vanishing of equal opportunities for all. Unless bold political solutions are instituted to curb the influence of wealth on politics, governments will work for the interests of the rich, while economic and political inequalities continue to rise. As US Supreme Court Justice Louis Brandeis famously said, We may have democracy, or we may have wealth concentrated in the hands of the few, but we cannot have both.
Oxfam is concerned that, left unchecked, the effects are potentially immutable, and will lead to opportunity capture in which the lowest tax rates, the best education, and the best healthcare are claimed by the children of the rich. This creates dynamic and mutually reinforcing cycles of advantage that are transmitted across generations.
Given the scale of rising wealth concentrations, opportunity capture and unequal political representation are a serious and worrying trend. For instance:
Almost half of the worlds wealth is now owned by just one percent of the population.2
The wealth of the one percent richest people in the world amounts to $110 trillion. Thats 65 times the total wealth of the bottom half of the worlds population.3
The bottom half of the worlds population owns the same as the richest 85 people in the world.4
Seven out of ten people live in countries where economic inequality has increased in the last 30 years.5
The richest one percent increased their share of income in 24 out of 26 countries for which we have data between 1980 and 2012.6
In the US, the wealthiest one percent captured 95 percent of post-financial crisis growth since 2009, while the bottom 90 percent became poorer.7
~snip~
Oxfams polling from across the world captures the belief of many that laws and regulations are now designed to benefit the rich. A survey in six countries (Spain, Brazil, India, South Africa, the UK and the US) showed that a majority of people believe that laws are skewed in favor of the rich in Spain eight out of 10 people agreed with this statement. Another recent Oxfam poll of low-wage earners in the US reveals that 65 percent believe that Congress passes laws that predominantly benefit the wealthy.
The richest get richer
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2012/03/15/the-richest-get-richer/?print=1&r=
The aftermaths of the Great Recession and the Great Depression produced sharply different changes in U.S. incomes that tell us a lot about tax and economic policy.
The 1934 economic rebound was widely shared, with strong income gains for the vast majority, the bottom 90 percent.
In 2010, we saw the opposite as the vast majority lost ground.
National income gained overall in 2010, but all of the gains were among the top 10 percent. Even within those 15.6 million households, the gains were extraordinarily concentrated among the super-rich, the top one percent of the top one percent.
Just 15,600 super-rich households pocketed an astonishing 37 percent of the entire national gain.
The different results in 1934 and 2010 show how a major shift in federal policy hurts the vast majority and benefits the super-rich.
http://blogs.reuters.com/david-cay-johnston/2012/03/15/the-richest-get-richer/?print=1&r=
The aftermaths of the Great Recession and the Great Depression produced sharply different changes in U.S. incomes that tell us a lot about tax and economic policy.
The 1934 economic rebound was widely shared, with strong income gains for the vast majority, the bottom 90 percent.
In 2010, we saw the opposite as the vast majority lost ground.
National income gained overall in 2010, but all of the gains were among the top 10 percent. Even within those 15.6 million households, the gains were extraordinarily concentrated among the super-rich, the top one percent of the top one percent.
Just 15,600 super-rich households pocketed an astonishing 37 percent of the entire national gain.
The different results in 1934 and 2010 show how a major shift in federal policy hurts the vast majority and benefits the super-rich.
Testing Theories of American Politics: Elites, Interest Groups, and Average Citizens
Martin Gilens
Princeton University
mgilens@princeton.edu
Benjamin I. Page
Northwestern University
b-page@northwestern.edu
The failure of theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy is all the more striking because it goes against the likely effects of the limitations of our data. The preferences of ordinary citizens were measured more directly than our other independent variables, yet they are estimated to have the least effect.
Nor do organized interest groups substitute for direct citizen influence, by embodying citizens will and ensuring that their wishes prevail in the fashion postulated by theories of Majoritarian Pluralism. Interest groups do have substantial independent impacts on policy, and a few groups (particularly labor unions) represent average citizens views reasonably well. But the interest group system as a whole does not. Over-all, net interest group alignments are not significantly related to the preferences of average citizens. The net alignments of the most influential, business oriented groups are negatively related to the average citizens wishes. So existing interest groups do not serve effectively as transmission belts for the wishes of the populace as a whole. Potential groups do not take up the slack, either, since average citizens preferences have little or no independent impact on policy after existing groups stands are controlled for.
Furthermore, the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of affluent citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically elite citizens who wield the actual influence.
~snip~
What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of populistic democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule -- at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
Martin Gilens
Princeton University
mgilens@princeton.edu
Benjamin I. Page
Northwestern University
b-page@northwestern.edu
The failure of theories of Majoritarian Electoral Democracy is all the more striking because it goes against the likely effects of the limitations of our data. The preferences of ordinary citizens were measured more directly than our other independent variables, yet they are estimated to have the least effect.
Nor do organized interest groups substitute for direct citizen influence, by embodying citizens will and ensuring that their wishes prevail in the fashion postulated by theories of Majoritarian Pluralism. Interest groups do have substantial independent impacts on policy, and a few groups (particularly labor unions) represent average citizens views reasonably well. But the interest group system as a whole does not. Over-all, net interest group alignments are not significantly related to the preferences of average citizens. The net alignments of the most influential, business oriented groups are negatively related to the average citizens wishes. So existing interest groups do not serve effectively as transmission belts for the wishes of the populace as a whole. Potential groups do not take up the slack, either, since average citizens preferences have little or no independent impact on policy after existing groups stands are controlled for.
Furthermore, the preferences of economic elites (as measured by our proxy, the preferences of affluent citizens) have far more independent impact upon policy change than the preferences of average citizens do. To be sure, this does not mean that ordinary citizens always lose out; they fairly often get the policies they favor, but only because those policies happen also to be preferred by the economically elite citizens who wield the actual influence.
~snip~
What do our findings say about democracy in America? They certainly constitute troubling news for advocates of populistic democracy, who want governments to respond primarily or exclusively to the policy preferences of their citizens. In the United States, our findings indicate, the majority does not rule -- at least not in the causal sense of actually determining policy outcomes. When a majority of citizens disagrees with economic elites and/or with organized interests, they generally lose. Moreover, because of the strong status quo bias built into the U.S. political system, even when fairly large majorities of Americans favor policy change, they generally do not get it.
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frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of democracy. Updated [View all]
cali
Jun 2015
OP
Yep--nothing like a good "don't blame me, I can't do anything about it" excuse
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#33
I said nothing about the issues....I disputed the "last gasps of Democracy"
brooklynite
Jun 2015
#131
John D. MacDonald had a great description of the remora in one of his books.
malthaussen
Jun 2015
#318
It's crazy that anyone believes a corporate made computerized vote counting machine is honest.
C Moon
Jun 2015
#269
Yep, I recall when that Russian professor said that some years ago and I thought he was correct.
RKP5637
Jun 2015
#88
Then we need to push to close and empty military bases in red states ;) nt
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
Jun 2015
#201
I think this is so, esp. the wide gulf between the 2 opposing ideologies which I
appalachiablue
Jun 2015
#125
I know for a fact that I am not presently in an area that will end up Blue
Horse with no Name
Jun 2015
#198
well I was referring to our country, but in the longer term I think it's endangered
cali
Jun 2015
#11
Exactly. They must drive us to despair slowly so we each pound on the castle door one at a time
GoneFishin
Jun 2015
#253
We can't even get people to understand that we need to change how our government works. Many are
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#157
We have to shake up the system. HRC stands for more of the same. Those that are comfortable
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#237
You are right about our MN elected officials - except of course Michelle Bachmann and Tim
jwirr
Jun 2015
#257
I so much agree. I will be watching the titanic sink ...mostly because I loved the movie.
L0oniX
Jun 2015
#16
If Hillary is the Nominee. I will not be bothering to vote, nor will I plan to
Katashi_itto
Jun 2015
#24
Have you noticed how easy anymore for people to say your not a democrat when you will
Katashi_itto
Jun 2015
#18
Almost inspires a click of the bootheals and a straight-armed salute, doesn't it?
FiveGoodMen
Jun 2015
#154
I don't know who ever though unlimited growth on a finite planet was a good idea,
CrispyQ
Jun 2015
#316
you realize that statistically the candidate with the most money wins the vast majority
cali
Jun 2015
#77
I think you're probably right...democracy is in clear decline, and not just here in the USA...
First Speaker
Jun 2015
#32
Corporate elites have never been fond of Democracy and these free trade agreements are a
octoberlib
Jun 2015
#35
". I don't want to face a future generation " < You won't. You will be dead and so will they.
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#68
I don't think that any of us are saying we surrender. But we do recognize that we are up against
jwirr
Jun 2015
#38
Multinational corporations and the rethugs. Their claws are deep into us already.
jwirr
Jun 2015
#59
Thank you. The materialism got its hold on us long ago and they have been teaching us to accept
jwirr
Jun 2015
#80
Frankly, I think democracy and capitalism faded in the 80s when a plutocracy took over
Rex
Jun 2015
#51
As it continues, that is basically what is going to have to happen for survival. The economy is
RKP5637
Jun 2015
#69
Indeed. I find the analogy that the President is the CEO of the country to be appalling. n/t
RufusTFirefly
Jun 2015
#119
Cali, it hasn't been a democracy since the first people walked away from "one big union". n/t
jtuck004
Jun 2015
#71
Probably not democracy, but liberalism - yes. You can have a democracy even if only the 1% can vote.
LiberalArkie
Jun 2015
#74
"frankly, what I think we're doing here, is documenting the last gasps of capitalism."
Spitfire of ATJ
Jun 2015
#99
Yes, we're having to refight too many battles that we thought we had won in the '60s.
Blue_In_AK
Jun 2015
#104
Absolutely! What's being discussed in this thread is a reflection of a global process.
GliderGuider
Jun 2015
#170
Totally agree. We are not just facing the end of capitalism - that is bad enough but then we must
jwirr
Jun 2015
#263
Fascism is closing its talons around us, and the trains don't even run on time.
Arugula Latte
Jun 2015
#110
Serious props for the historical allusion to Mussolini and the deeper truth your
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#202
The National Security State. We've gone from idealism to fear and not by accident.
jalan48
Jun 2015
#117
Imagine it's 1812, and the British have just burnt down the White House. It would feel like the end
grahamhgreen
Jun 2015
#128
Would you care to expand on that? I love America, I love Mother, I love apple pie.
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#235
" By working hard to elect people who can make a difference...". Did you type that
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#262
Imo it's due to entering stage iii capitalism where in capitalism goes cannibalistic
HereSince1628
Jun 2015
#136
People don't realize we're on the edge, every time we knuckle under Democracy is lost,
orpupilofnature57
Jun 2015
#152
That and the ' Patriot Act ' and you know the TPP will starve people in to
orpupilofnature57
Jun 2015
#169
I disagree. Democracy is easy when you have resouces. When Goldman-Sachs and Wall Street
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#167
How far do you think we will sink before the idiots wake up and smell the plutocratic-oligarchy. nm
rhett o rick
Jun 2015
#236
I'd like not to agree that we are documenting the last gasp of democracy, but . . .
Jack Rabbit
Jun 2015
#178
We can all blame the Politicians, the Lobbyists, The Big Money Koch Bros factor BUT it starts
truedelphi
Jun 2015
#181
The quoting of Mencken perfectly demonstrates the shallow thinking of the negative minded.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#233
Nice personal attack there, sport. You made the citation, and what I say stands about what
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#243
Poining out that Mencken was a racist bigot and literally an anti democratic elitist who favored
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#300
Pessimism is an elitist habit, for the affluent and the fully franchised. The rest need hope.
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#241
Beautiful quote from Howard Zinn. Thank you for lighting a candle instead of cursing the darkness.nt
Hekate
Jun 2015
#260
Yes, elitism has a blind appeal. Look at the chosen verbiage in this thread. It's all about self
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#301
Fear. Uncertainty. Doubt. I have to ask wtf are any of you doing at a place like this?
Hekate
Jun 2015
#251
I'd like to respond to your elegiac OP with . . . what else? . . . a poem:
KingCharlemagne
Jun 2015
#266
"Don't waste any time in mourning. Organize" - Joe Hill to Big Bill Haywood
struggle4progress
Jun 2015
#273
Representative democracy has turned into an oligarchy and even that will soon be replaced
CJCRANE
Jun 2015
#297
Not one single voting machine in my State, every ballot is paper, every voter can make a fucking
Bluenorthwest
Jun 2015
#308
If it wasn't so, why the Permawar RW Surveillance State that remains no matter who we vote in?
Octafish
Jun 2015
#302
We are watching the inevitable full assimilation of the Democratic party into the War/Money Party.
leveymg
Jun 2015
#309
Like a infection - if intervention doesn't occur, it will spread and kill the whole body.
Avalux
Jun 2015
#320
You are not alone, by a long shot. We are in the last gasps of Democracy. And we have one chance to
sabrina 1
Jun 2015
#321
Is separating "Social" from the "Economic" a horseman of the oligarchic apocalypse?
daredtowork
Jun 2015
#328
unfortunately too many people believe that electing Hillary Clinton is somehow
Doctor_J
Jun 2015
#342
last gasps of the American experiment. self government is still thriving in northern Europe
Doctor_J
Jun 2015
#341
Sadly, the psychopaths are winning, because they are bullies, thieves, liars, abusers and killers.
Dont call me Shirley
Jun 2015
#343