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vive la commune

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53. Thank you

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 01:00 AM

Jun 2015

I'm a non-heterosexual disabled woman. If I lost my subsidized housing or social security (which I continually worry about), what kind of social justice would there be for me? Equal pay for equal work doesn't mean anything if there aren't any living wage jobs. I wouldn't much care if I could legally marry someone I cared about, if neither of us have enough to eat. Marriage, I can do without. Food, I can't. And I've been hungry before, really hungry. And I fucking hated it. I get tired of hearing how women/POC/LBGT people don't care about economic justice, because it's not true. I care the most about having a roof over my head, food in the fridge, and a dignified life. Poor people get totally treated like shit and ignored politically, and I've been tired of that all my life. We need a basic standard of living for everyone in this country (and this earth), or there is no justice, period.

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Social justice matters. Period. "But" nothing. [View all] DanTex Jun 2015 OP

+100 Lint Head Jun 2015 #1

I agree. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #2

Agree 100% nt Lee-Lee Jun 2015 #3

It is a not ONLY but ALSO pairing hifiguy Jun 2015 #4

Yeah, and it smacks of self interest to pretend to women and POC that money comes first. bettyellen Jun 2015 #5

Why not both? Why the false dichotomy? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #8

Both would be great. Ignoring the loss of women's civil rights bettyellen Jun 2015 #9

Do people really ignore them? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #23

I think another one is long overdue. We are losing on so many fronts these days bettyellen Jun 2015 #25

The majority of Americans are pro-choice. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #29

global warming is social justice? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #6

Check out Naomi Klein's "This Changes Everything." hifiguy Jun 2015 #11

I do think it's an existential threat that, in many ways, trumps everything else. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #13

Yep. hifiguy Jun 2015 #15

No. That's environmental policy. It's a separate issue. DanTex Jun 2015 #17

Only if you're one of those people trying to dilute the meaning of social justice.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #18

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #22

Not at all! I do think there are too many upset when people say that Sanders needs to broaden his bettyellen Jun 2015 #26

I agree, too. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #30

Or you could just start listening to him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #64

Strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #62

of course it does and no one has said it doesn't cali Jun 2015 #7

Of course people have said it doesn't. For example, the OP with "social justice" in quotes. DanTex Jun 2015 #16

You mean like the one that said historylovr Jun 2015 #52

Yes, like that. Neither belong in quotes. I'm sure you agree. DanTex Jun 2015 #56

It's the strawman that gets resistince AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #63

What strawman? And what makes you think I don't want to talk about economic issues? DanTex Jun 2015 #71

Absolutely agree. historylovr Jun 2015 #67

Phony distinction. All political issues are social justice issues. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #10

Blammo. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

That sums it up perfectly. They are intertwined. Exilednight Jun 2015 #27

+1. It's not an either/or. winter is coming Jun 2015 #37

"are really just trying to create a wedge for some political advantage." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #44

It's a 'Third Way�' thing AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #65

So busy using minorities as human shields they can't understand why the rest of us are disgusted. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #69

Yup! TM99 Jun 2015 #48

You got it. romanic Jun 2015 #49

Thank you vive la commune Jun 2015 #53

Yeah it all has to go together I would say. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #55

Bravo Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #75

Not driving a wedge at all. Just resisting the push to marginalize DanTex Jun 2015 #77

Phony. Even the vocabulary you use to describe the issues is phony. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #78

These threads and comments are starting to irk me daredtowork Jun 2015 #14

It's absurd to say that people are "smoothing things over". DanTex Jun 2015 #19

I read here that women and POC here are trolls doing exactly what you accuse. bettyellen Jun 2015 #21

And there it is daredtowork Jun 2015 #24

Lol, you really haven't figured out the "ally" thing, have you? bettyellen Jun 2015 #31

At this point you have me totally confused daredtowork Jun 2015 #43

Be disgusted all you want, but ignore that people who are effected gravely by them don't appreciate bettyellen Jun 2015 #45

because no one said "it's all economic" daredtowork Jun 2015 #47

So, here are the weird accusations I spoke of ! The anger and denial bettyellen Jun 2015 #50

you just can't quit daredtowork Jun 2015 #58

What socialist vs economic acrobatics? You do realize that is all in your head I hope... bettyellen Jun 2015 #60

I'm not trying to win anyone over daredtowork Jun 2015 #66

The irony... DanTex Jun 2015 #72

Fail daredtowork Jun 2015 #74

First of all, Hillary does address real poverty issues, so your whole premise is wrong. DanTex Jun 2015 #76

I've read Hillary's platform on welfare daredtowork Jun 2015 #79

Fair enough. Yes, we disagree about some things. But probably not that many. DanTex Jun 2015 #80

I agree. That is crazy paranoia. Bonobo Jun 2015 #28

They are actually two blocks that often work together, share very similar histories and vote along bettyellen Jun 2015 #33

So then it's cool if I also speak with POC because I'm Jewish. I mean, right? Bonobo Jun 2015 #36

Well, your response wandered off into la la land.... But go talk with whoever you want. bettyellen Jun 2015 #38

Huh? Talk about La-La Land... Bonobo Jun 2015 #39

Candidates ..... Courting or ignoring voting block *snaps fingers* bettyellen Jun 2015 #40

Huh? What? Oh, oh yeah, thanks, I greyed out there for a minute. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #42

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #20

Not what I said, of course. And enjoy your stay. DanTex Jun 2015 #32

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Lol, you're a cute one! bettyellen Jun 2015 #41

And how do you propose we get social justice without economic justice? Kalidurga Jun 2015 #34

That's the multi-trillion dollar question that no one who presents this argument can answer. Exilednight Jun 2015 #51

It won't happen AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #68

How dogmatic of you. closeupready Jun 2015 #46

How do you separate out... Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #54

Never heard of "trans-ethnic otherkins" before this post. DanTex Jun 2015 #57

Fasten your seatbelt, then google it. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #59

No thanks. I've gotten the gist... it's a way for people like you to dismiss the DanTex Jun 2015 #73

Pft. All right, have fun with all that. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #81

It's claiming that anyone with a kink or an idea in their head to be bettyellen Jun 2015 #70

Social justice is economic justice MFrohike Jun 2015 #61