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historylovr

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67. Absolutely agree.

Sun Jun 7, 2015, 02:12 AM

Jun 2015

It comes across as dismissive to me, the quotation marks around the words.

I'd hope that an OP on poverty wouldn't meet with resistance, but there have been posts where it has. It shouldn't. Nor should one on social justice. I think people are angry and hurt and talking past each other a lot of the time on which issues are more important, or should be more important. I like Balian's speech in Kingdom of Heaven, when he said, "None have claim; all have claim [to Jerusalem]." And that's where I'm at. To me, social and economic justice go hand in hand. You can have one without the other, sure, but society would still be lacking.

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Social justice matters. Period. "But" nothing. [View all] DanTex Jun 2015 OP

+100 Lint Head Jun 2015 #1

I agree. qwlauren35 Jun 2015 #2

Agree 100% nt Lee-Lee Jun 2015 #3

It is a not ONLY but ALSO pairing hifiguy Jun 2015 #4

Yeah, and it smacks of self interest to pretend to women and POC that money comes first. bettyellen Jun 2015 #5

Why not both? Why the false dichotomy? Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #8

Both would be great. Ignoring the loss of women's civil rights bettyellen Jun 2015 #9

Do people really ignore them? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #23

I think another one is long overdue. We are losing on so many fronts these days bettyellen Jun 2015 #25

The majority of Americans are pro-choice. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #29

global warming is social justice? Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #6

Check out Naomi Klein's "This Changes Everything." hifiguy Jun 2015 #11

I do think it's an existential threat that, in many ways, trumps everything else. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #13

Yep. hifiguy Jun 2015 #15

No. That's environmental policy. It's a separate issue. DanTex Jun 2015 #17

Only if you're one of those people trying to dilute the meaning of social justice.... bettyellen Jun 2015 #18

Agreed. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #22

Not at all! I do think there are too many upset when people say that Sanders needs to broaden his bettyellen Jun 2015 #26

I agree, too. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #30

Or you could just start listening to him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #64

Strawman AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #62

of course it does and no one has said it doesn't cali Jun 2015 #7

Of course people have said it doesn't. For example, the OP with "social justice" in quotes. DanTex Jun 2015 #16

You mean like the one that said historylovr Jun 2015 #52

Yes, like that. Neither belong in quotes. I'm sure you agree. DanTex Jun 2015 #56

It's the strawman that gets resistince AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #63

What strawman? And what makes you think I don't want to talk about economic issues? DanTex Jun 2015 #71

Absolutely agree. historylovr Jun 2015 #67

Phony distinction. All political issues are social justice issues. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #10

Blammo. hifiguy Jun 2015 #12

That sums it up perfectly. They are intertwined. Exilednight Jun 2015 #27

+1. It's not an either/or. winter is coming Jun 2015 #37

"are really just trying to create a wedge for some political advantage." beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #44

It's a 'Third Way�' thing AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #65

So busy using minorities as human shields they can't understand why the rest of us are disgusted. beam me up scottie Jun 2015 #69

Yup! TM99 Jun 2015 #48

You got it. romanic Jun 2015 #49

Thank you vive la commune Jun 2015 #53

Yeah it all has to go together I would say. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #55

Bravo Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #75

Not driving a wedge at all. Just resisting the push to marginalize DanTex Jun 2015 #77

Phony. Even the vocabulary you use to describe the issues is phony. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #78

These threads and comments are starting to irk me daredtowork Jun 2015 #14

It's absurd to say that people are "smoothing things over". DanTex Jun 2015 #19

I read here that women and POC here are trolls doing exactly what you accuse. bettyellen Jun 2015 #21

And there it is daredtowork Jun 2015 #24

Lol, you really haven't figured out the "ally" thing, have you? bettyellen Jun 2015 #31

At this point you have me totally confused daredtowork Jun 2015 #43

Be disgusted all you want, but ignore that people who are effected gravely by them don't appreciate bettyellen Jun 2015 #45

because no one said "it's all economic" daredtowork Jun 2015 #47

So, here are the weird accusations I spoke of ! The anger and denial bettyellen Jun 2015 #50

you just can't quit daredtowork Jun 2015 #58

What socialist vs economic acrobatics? You do realize that is all in your head I hope... bettyellen Jun 2015 #60

I'm not trying to win anyone over daredtowork Jun 2015 #66

The irony... DanTex Jun 2015 #72

Fail daredtowork Jun 2015 #74

First of all, Hillary does address real poverty issues, so your whole premise is wrong. DanTex Jun 2015 #76

I've read Hillary's platform on welfare daredtowork Jun 2015 #79

Fair enough. Yes, we disagree about some things. But probably not that many. DanTex Jun 2015 #80

I agree. That is crazy paranoia. Bonobo Jun 2015 #28

They are actually two blocks that often work together, share very similar histories and vote along bettyellen Jun 2015 #33

So then it's cool if I also speak with POC because I'm Jewish. I mean, right? Bonobo Jun 2015 #36

Well, your response wandered off into la la land.... But go talk with whoever you want. bettyellen Jun 2015 #38

Huh? Talk about La-La Land... Bonobo Jun 2015 #39

Candidates ..... Courting or ignoring voting block *snaps fingers* bettyellen Jun 2015 #40

Huh? What? Oh, oh yeah, thanks, I greyed out there for a minute. nt Bonobo Jun 2015 #42

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Not what I said, of course. And enjoy your stay. DanTex Jun 2015 #32

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Lol, you're a cute one! bettyellen Jun 2015 #41

And how do you propose we get social justice without economic justice? Kalidurga Jun 2015 #34

That's the multi-trillion dollar question that no one who presents this argument can answer. Exilednight Jun 2015 #51

It won't happen AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #68

How dogmatic of you. closeupready Jun 2015 #46

How do you separate out... Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #54

Never heard of "trans-ethnic otherkins" before this post. DanTex Jun 2015 #57

Fasten your seatbelt, then google it. Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #59

No thanks. I've gotten the gist... it's a way for people like you to dismiss the DanTex Jun 2015 #73

Pft. All right, have fun with all that. [nt] Jester Messiah Jun 2015 #81

It's claiming that anyone with a kink or an idea in their head to be bettyellen Jun 2015 #70

Social justice is economic justice MFrohike Jun 2015 #61