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MrMickeysMom

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11. The issue: What deters criminal behavior?

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 07:37 AM

Jun 2015

I'll go first: Education and reduced poverty.

Get the private sector out of the fucking school AND prisons.

Also, way back in sociology classes 101 (this was earl y 90's) I don't think ANY data supported the death penalty doing more than giving the papers and media something to sell news and those who's lives were tragically affected by the crime their 15 minutes of public statement.

It's more costly to be on death row, going through appeal after appeal, and termed imprisonment should be rehabilitative in examining what the crime cost human lives, including the inmate's.

I just love how people support something they've hesitated to investigate. Is there anywhere on DU where this conversation has ensued? We should be talking about the issues, and that's why I asked.

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Hillary Clinton supports the Death Penalty. O'Malley and Sanders [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

clickbait journalism is just as bad. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #1

whatthefuckever cali Jun 2015 #2

As bad as the death penalty? bravenak Jun 2015 #3

good morning, b cali Jun 2015 #4

Good morning. bravenak Jun 2015 #5

. snooper2 Jun 2015 #49

Really? Chemisse Jun 2015 #101

Well, that's one thing I agree with her on. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #6

what about the racism that's so deeply embedded in it? cali Jun 2015 #8

If they're guilty, they're guilty. PeteSelman Jun 2015 #120

did you see the recent piece about Scalia and the dp? cali Jun 2015 #122

I used to support the DP. Dustlawyer Jun 2015 #12

I hate to imagine how many innocent men were put to death before DNA testing. Chemisse Jun 2015 #102

Hell, her husband put to death a convict who was cognitively disabled during KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #14

The one who wanted to save part of his last meal for later. Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #77

Disguesting, and uninformed i assume! Nt Logical Jun 2015 #93

I really don't understand how anyone Vattel Jun 2015 #7

I didn't realize Hillary supported state executions. morningfog Jun 2015 #9

Off topic, but always amazes me how most zealous defenders of Death Penalty claim to be prolife peacebird Jun 2015 #10

Quite on topic, actually Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #61

The issue: What deters criminal behavior? MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #11

FWIW, here's an op-ed piece i wrote for the local paper a few years ago: Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #81

That was a damned good op/ed you wrote, JR MrMickeysMom Jun 2015 #95

Thanks. (nt) Jackpine Radical Jun 2015 #97

Hell, her husband put to death a convict who was cognitively disabled during KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #13

I remember that. nt m-lekktor Jun 2015 #16

I didn't realize Bill Clinton was running for president again. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #22

Jesus, you people. Ever hear Hillary condemn the execution of KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #28

+1 cali Jun 2015 #30

So just because I'm married to someone, I'm obligated to condemn everything Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #37

Her husband put to death someone who was mentally retarded. You don't see a problem KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #41

You have no idea who you are talking with. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #44

You're a long-time opponent of the DP but you have no problem with Hillary's KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #48

What I have a problem with is bashing her with her husband's actions. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #55

Technically speaking, I was condemning the entire fucking family, since the apples don't KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #67

Lol - I hope all your relatives are perfect angels. Chemisse Jun 2015 #106

Are you kidding? Chemisse Jun 2015 #104

Not a good analogy. truebluegreen Jun 2015 #65

That doesn't erase their marriage. Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #68

Wasn't tempted to post truebluegreen Jun 2015 #84

Asking about positions is perfectly reasonable Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #110

I see your point truebluegreen Jun 2015 #112

When youa are one of his/her advisors at the time of the action - yes. jwirr Jun 2015 #71

She touts her time as First Lady in her experience. morningfog Jun 2015 #40

Condemning her for her husband's bad behavior Ms. Toad Jun 2015 #45

No it is not irrelevant. All through his presidency it was made very clear that she was one of his jwirr Jun 2015 #70

I don't think it is fair to judge Hillary Clinton on Bill Clinton's actions as president. Chemisse Jun 2015 #103

Yet another issue that Hillary is at odds with me davidn3600 Jun 2015 #15

It's a frustrating stand. Agschmid Jun 2015 #17

O'Malley eliminated it in Maryland JustAnotherGen Jun 2015 #18

Your link is from 2008 oberliner Jun 2015 #19

She does tend to do that, doesn't she... davidn3600 Jun 2015 #21

Exactly. Many evolved BEFORE 08. TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #82

When Politico asked about it in April, the campaign declined to comment Scootaloo Jun 2015 #27

I call it flip flopping for political advantage. evolving my ass. cali Jun 2015 #29

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2015 #20

False and ugh it's a moral issue. why make stuff up? cali Jun 2015 #31

This message was self-deleted by its author NCTraveler Jun 2015 #38

I am disgusted by the suggestion YOU make cali Jun 2015 #39

So as soon as 51% of Dems oppose the death penalty in a poll she will turn against it? Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #35

Or if she sees that others are gaining by having that position. A very old political game. jwirr Jun 2015 #72

I'm in favor of the death penalty in principle for the most heinous crimes. Lucky Luciano Jun 2015 #23

Do you wince when innocent people are put to death? - nt KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #42

Do you wince when innocent people die in prison? Lancero Jun 2015 #121

On the issues is a Libertarian group. It is embarrassing that so many people on DU link to it. n/ FSogol Jun 2015 #24

Yes, because On the Issues TM99 Jun 2015 #25

If you don't like her stance, take it up with her, but don't pollute DU with manipulative FSogol Jun 2015 #34

On the Record TM99 Jun 2015 #46

It is called "on the issues" and it is definitely a libertarian group. It is ridiculous to use it on FSogol Jun 2015 #56

Why? TM99 Jun 2015 #63

LOL. Fuck Rand Paul. n/t FSogol Jun 2015 #64

I guess all you have TM99 Jun 2015 #66

Fuck Rand Paul. stonecutter357 Jun 2015 #118

Look! TM99 Jun 2015 #119

I didn't know that, and btw, I see Hillary supporters regularly using it. cali Jun 2015 #33

I knock that site everytime I see someone use it, espcially their ridiculous graphs. FSogol Jun 2015 #36

When the site reports issue positions, are they accurate or inaccurate? Jim Lane Jun 2015 #83

A site purporting to be factual can also be erroneous by what is omitted. FSogol Jun 2015 #86

True, but that kind of bias wouldn't necessarily affect the accuracy of what the site DOES say. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #99

The DP is mainly for the poor. Those with money or influence or power are usually given.. BlueJazz Jun 2015 #26

Kissinger has a couple million notches on his belt; Bush and Cheney at least KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #43

Correct because the poor do not have the high price lawyers to defend them - that is also why our jwirr Jun 2015 #74

I'm a Hillary supporter, but please bash away as I agree this is disgraceful. Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #32

I am opposed to the death penalty DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #47

Oh, I wouldn't be at all surprised if your finger in the wind Hillary cali Jun 2015 #57

As long as she evolves to a position I hold I will just ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #58

I'll chalk it up to to maneuvering for political advantage, but I'll welcome it anyway cali Jun 2015 #60

I vigorously oppose The death penalty... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #62

You will hold whatever position she "evolves" to. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #79

I said in my first post in this thread I oppose the death penalty. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #85

But that doesn't impact your support for Hillary one whit. So what difference does that make? nt Romulox Jun 2015 #92

I am not a one issue voter... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #100

Your "issues" don't matter, since you're voting for the corporate candidate regardless. Romulox Jun 2015 #114

I am voting so that my undocumented Filipino and Mexican friend don't get kicked out of the country. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #117

Which way is she evolving this time? More? Less? For the Guillotine? Against shooting? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #75

Maybe dropping people out of airplanes? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #78

Politico 04/29/15: Hillary Clinton�s forgotten death penalty shift MerryBlooms Jun 2015 #50

typical, manipulative finger in the wind Hillary. cali Jun 2015 #53

I'm sure her political calculator is well greased and running smooth. L0oniX Jun 2015 #90

Here we go again. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #51

jaysus. your post reads like a parody. right wing? pathetically inaccurate cali Jun 2015 #52

You are so funny. Evergreen Emerald Jun 2015 #54

that's your paranoid fantasy. a quick du search would cali Jun 2015 #59

Clinton's stated position is a "swiftboat" attack. jeff47 Jun 2015 #76

unfuckingbelievable cali Jun 2015 #89

Not to anyone who was here in 2008 Fumesucker Jun 2015 #107

Do you support the death penalty? Does Hillary? morningfog Jun 2015 #105

Racism is the reason many of us opposed the DP back in the 70s. Not just that more poc died jwirr Jun 2015 #69

She will be against the death penalty by lunchtime tomorrow.nt Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #73

+1 L0oniX Jun 2015 #87

+1 azmom Aug 2015 #124

I heard FDR liked killin' people. Why do you hate FDR???? nt Romulox Jun 2015 #80

I think you've mixed him up with Teddy. L0oniX Jun 2015 #88

the death penalty is like the god debate olddots Jun 2015 #91

I did not know that about HRC. KamaAina Jun 2015 #94

The death penalty isn't about justice awoke_in_2003 Jun 2015 #96

This part of the Clinton "tough on crime" stance. Exilednight Jun 2015 #98

"Why I Oppose the Death Penalty," by Martin O'Malley (Washington Post: February 21, 2007) Koinos Jun 2015 #108

�I believe that the death penalty is appropriate in certain circumstances." Barack Obama. NT BreakfastClub Jun 2015 #109

He's just as wrong as Scalia and Hillary. morningfog Jun 2015 #111

And that's no better. cali Jun 2015 #113

Well it IS in the platform of the Party she wishes to represent at the highest level whatthehey Jun 2015 #115

the dp is a moral issue. supporting it is grotesque. cali Jun 2015 #116

It's an opinion, just not one shared by the party platform delegates whatthehey Jun 2015 #123