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Plucketeer

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246. Not only DO the votes "matter".....

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 09:18 AM

Jun 2015

There's innocent kids in camou - kids ignorant of our political process, like I once was. These kids - and the ones that come home in body bags - have their asses put on the line with the inspiration of being told they're fighting to protect our right to vote. Even tho - more and more, that's a lie - I guarantee you they think they are. They continue a tradition that goes WAY back. Even tho I volunteered to go into Vietnam in '65, military service is not something I'd recommend for kids nowdays - at least, not so long as we're in the business of meddling in other nations business. That said tho - I make sure to vote when the opportunity presents itself. The fresh-faced kids (like I once was) - pumped full of bravado - provoke me to do so - them and the body bags.

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I'm starting to feel bad for Hillary Supporters [View all] hootinholler Jun 2015 OP

The DU admin approved corporate candidate never has problems, Katashi_itto Jun 2015 #1

Hillary will get tore up in a debate with Bernie. She has to be scared. nt Logical Jun 2015 #177

Hell, she can't be half as scared as the repugs are pocoloco Jun 2015 #192

Republicans would prefer to go up against Hillary kenfrequed Jun 2015 #257

Too Many In both Parties Dislike Her billhicks76 Jun 2015 #213

It appears she is doing quite fine DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #2

OhYeah! n/t OhZone Jun 2015 #113

Thanks DemocratSinceBirth, I like you! rock Jun 2015 #120

Thank you for this, DemocratSinceBirth! lunamagica Jun 2015 #168

She has a commanding lead nationally, but the primary is held by states. morningfog Jun 2015 #191

The OP is about Wisconsin. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #240

Is DU becoming an echo chamber? It seems out of touch with the reality of the situation. olegramps Jun 2015 #243

Is DU become an echoing chamber? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #244

He'll never make to the April primary in Wisconsin OKNancy Jun 2015 #3

I like the gratuitous call out./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #5

What are you talking about? What "call out"? The OP? cheapdate Jun 2015 #164

The unedited version: DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #175

Got it. cheapdate Jun 2015 #182

you're right. she and her corporate cronies will buy the nomination. cali Jun 2015 #15

Well my vote will not matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #30

I will not vote for that woman, hifiguy Jun 2015 #91

Mines all RED Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #102

Were my state not as blue as it is I would probably hold my nose hifiguy Jun 2015 #104

Oh, I always vote Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #107

Except MS Aerows Jun 2015 #135

Lol Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #137

It's just as true in OK Aerows Jun 2015 #139

My state is solid Red . bvar22 Jun 2015 #144

I'm in Virginia, and will vote for my preferred candidate. peacebird Jun 2015 #178

Voting for Anderson got us Reagan, and Jimmy Carter at worst was no corporate shill.... marble falls Jun 2015 #224

not when your vote really does not matter Duckhunter935 Jun 2015 #226

Yep. yesphan Jun 2015 #227

All those votes that don't matter added up together do matter. The individual vote may not matter... marble falls Jun 2015 #228

Not only DO the votes "matter"..... Plucketeer Jun 2015 #246

AMEN! +1000 marble falls Jun 2015 #247

I get your point in the general case, but Reagan had over 50% of the vote karynnj Jun 2015 #249

Not in my state, which went for Carter. hifiguy Jun 2015 #261

nobodys votes matter historian Jun 2015 #220

If however a Republican did win the election, it would destroy the party. It would be bad for LiberalArkie Jun 2015 #58

After Bush, I no longer believe that. Rod Beauvex Jun 2015 #186

I'd argue that Bush II was worse than any of those. stopwastingmymoney Jun 2015 #196

I thought like that, too. Since Ford. Living in Texas has shown me that some people have no .... marble falls Jun 2015 #223

I Will No Longer Settle For The Lesser Of Two Corporate Evils - Go Bernie Go cantbeserious Jun 2015 #87

I like Bernie - OhZone Jun 2015 #114

No More Corporate Controlled Candidates For This One - The Write-In Ballot Works Just Fine - Thank You cantbeserious Jun 2015 #125

So basically a protest vote. OhZone Jun 2015 #273

I agree, pathetic as it is . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #155

Exactly right. We may not like it, but the alternative is nightmarish: Cruz .... Jeb ....Trump .... marble falls Jun 2015 #222

After Sanders cleans her clock in Iowa and shellacks her in New Hampshire, Hillary and KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #83

Iowa and NH are "retail politics" states - one-on-one and small groups. hifiguy Jun 2015 #98

Why thank you. I would go so far as to say Sanders will enjoy something of a 'favorite son' KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #100

the cool thing is, not only do you get to vote in a meaningful way..... virtualobserver Jun 2015 #127

Want to bet on that? I'll bet a $50 donation to Bernie when he wins. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #195

Why do you feel sorry for them? treestar Jun 2015 #4

The Hillary supporters would be fools not to support him if he was the nominee... Agschmid Jun 2015 #8

Half of HRC's putative supporters here probably plan to defect to the Republican in KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #84

Entirely false. Agschmid Jun 2015 #86

You are aware, I trust, that no less a Dem personage than Hubert Humphrey is on tape laughing KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #93

Sure... Agschmid Jun 2015 #97

Yeah I doubt that. fbc Jun 2015 #89

just like they did with Obama PADemD Jun 2015 #214

I remember the PUMA's and suspect they would do the same again. Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #216

Just like they did with McGovern. marble falls Jun 2015 #225

You may be assuming a little much here, there are many and would say are very dedicated Democrats Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #92

What utter unabashed nonsense mythology Jun 2015 #94

Oh horse crap shenmue Jun 2015 #95

Name one! You have the courage to make accusations then have the courage to back it up. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #96

Not an accusation, a prediction. See the history of 1972 for the last time a real progressive KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #101

You dare me to what? hrmjustin Jun 2015 #106

I made a prediction, based on 1972 (the last time a progressive was the Dem nominee). Is KingCharlemagne Jun 2015 #109

Insulting people seems your strong suit and 1972 was a long time ago. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #111

"I laugh that I may not cry"? okasha Jun 2015 #124

Yup. n/t OhZone Jun 2015 #115

Proof of that? OKNancy Jun 2015 #108

I am a Bernie supporter but I don't think that half would abandon the Democratic Party if totodeinhere Jun 2015 #141

Bullocks. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #183

Your comment is complete nonsense.. giftedgirl77 Jun 2015 #185

It is Sanders supporters on this thread who say they won't vote for the mcar Jun 2015 #187

No I think that when all is said and done most Sanders supporters would vote for totodeinhere Jun 2015 #188

If you meant putative *financial* supporters for Hillary vs. Bernie, then you're probably right. BlueEye Jun 2015 #218

Let him make it personal. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #9

Senator Sanders would most certainly decry this goad/bait approach to "touting" his candidacy. MADem Jun 2015 #20

Like Gandhi... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #22

"I like your Bernie, it's your Sanderistas I don't like so much" JaneyVee Jun 2015 #31

very well put dlwickham Jun 2015 #80

I paraphrased that on another blog Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2015 #105

IIRC, that poster won't be/can't vote for either candidate in the GE. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #232

Brillaint, DSB! Bernie's fine.. it's those who are campaigning for him through mean spiritness that Cha Jun 2015 #198

Seriously. Bernie seems like a great guy. Sheldon Cooper Jun 2015 #29

I think most of his supporters are a decent slice of progressive humanity. Voice for Peace Jun 2015 #67

As a Bernie supporter, let me set the record straight. retrowire Jun 2015 #81

Well, we play with the hand we're dealt Scootaloo Jun 2015 #131

You forgot hootinholler Jun 2015 #149

Oh yes. Operation: Scuttlebutt. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #150

Except no one has said, or even implied, that ... "luminaries", or otherwise. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #233

Yeah in fact they have. Scootaloo Jun 2015 #234

Please post a link to said comments. Thanks. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #235

Nah, he's entirely correct. Just ask Presidents Kucinich or Edwards. FSogol Jun 2015 #12

Or President Hillary. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #17

Ouch. nt. JanMichael Jun 2015 #47

I think their hate is far too intense to care. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #13

there's the hate word again. This is just like class room elections roguevalley Jun 2015 #61

It does seem like hate treestar Jun 2015 #72

This message was self-deleted by its author MoonRiver Jun 2015 #90

You lost me with "hate". 840high Jun 2015 #69

... MoonRiver Jun 2015 #6

You feel sorry because of...a straw poll brooklynite Jun 2015 #7

It was an internet straw poll? DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #14

Not an internet poll hootinholler Jun 2015 #21

Here are the numbers....and interesting to see Sander's support at the WDP Convention KoKo Jun 2015 #51

Democrats in Wisconsin are among the most progressive in the nation. cheapdate Jun 2015 #166

I'm asserting that 2/3 of the attendees treated this as what it was.....meaningless. brooklynite Jun 2015 #121

Ok, a 1/3 sample size doesn't matter then. hootinholler Jun 2015 #123

“First they ignore you, then they ridicule you, then they fight you, and then you win” AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #258

We often find those polls meaningless which do not validate our own biases... LanternWaste Jun 2015 #263

I don't... brooklynite Jun 2015 #268

Feel sorry for Bernie supporters grasping at straws. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #24

Can everybody stop this shit now? MuseRider Jun 2015 #43

Amen. The snark is getting disgusting. And, although it is obvious by my sig line 1monster Jun 2015 #64

maybe.... quickesst Jun 2015 #71

I was not talking MuseRider Jun 2015 #76

Ok... quickesst Jun 2015 #174

Jesus, having a bad night MuseRider Jun 2015 #180

Thats because these supporters are so sure about Clinton's inevitably Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #122

I have seen.. quickesst Jun 2015 #173

Your post made me wonder what the ratio is AleksS Jun 2015 #110

But we don't have a nominee yet. Goblinmonger Jun 2015 #74

According to some, yes. hifiguy Jun 2015 #99

Could be temporary too treestar Jun 2015 #73

Good clip- shitty title for the OP though. bettyellen Jun 2015 #10

See reply #34 Rex Jun 2015 #36

What makes you feel bad? NuclearDem Jun 2015 #11

And everyone knows grassroots movements are built Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #16

I don't know if these ultra negative people have never done any real life campaigning or bettyellen Jun 2015 #52

Real world politicking requires working w/ some people you might not like all that much KittyWampus Jun 2015 #65

And impatient and intolerance seems too common around here right now. bettyellen Jun 2015 #129

If they really have, I'd be surprised. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #117

Yeah, but there's no substitute to getting out there, face to face. bettyellen Jun 2015 #130

That's completely true. Starry Messenger Jun 2015 #132

Having done it, I'd say it would not ever work. freshwest Jun 2015 #290

I'm shaking in my boots because Straw Polls are incredibly accurate. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #18

Ah yes, the ever reliable straw poll. JaneyVee Jun 2015 #19

If this is anything like the Iowa straw poll mythology Jun 2015 #23

I took a gander at Hillary Mojo whatchamacallit Jun 2015 #25

President Ben Carson says hi DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #26

Hillary won no surprise upaloopa Jun 2015 #27

Ask President Bacmann about straw polls. RandySF Jun 2015 #28

Before this is done, Bernie will have brought one million people into DC FlatBaroque Jun 2015 #32

Opens thread. Skims the OP. Shakes head. Closes thread. Metric System Jun 2015 #33

Well then how did the reply happen? hootinholler Jun 2015 #35

In between shaking my head and closing the thread. I assumed that would be understood. Metric System Jun 2015 #39

So when you are standing there looking at HRC on the voting ballot next November Rex Jun 2015 #34

Not at all hootinholler Jun 2015 #37

I don't doubt it, I think HRC is going to win the primaries and be the next POTUS. Rex Jun 2015 #38

This Hillary supporter agrees. MoonRiver Jun 2015 #40

She will be. Rex Jun 2015 #44

I think it was 90+ (don't remember exactly) times that Hilary and Bernie voted the same. nt lunamagica Jun 2015 #189

Nope. I'll write in Sanders name. 840high Jun 2015 #70

Same here n/t MissDeeds Jun 2015 #82

Spot on, You even threw in some Random Thoughts at the end. Kudos corkhead Jun 2015 #41

Bernie acts so strange, hootinholler. Octafish Jun 2015 #42

Actually I like the fact that he is an Independent. He makes no jokes about how he feels toward our Rex Jun 2015 #46

Norway. Octafish Jun 2015 #48

Well you know how people get when we compare our quality of life to places like Sweden Rex Jun 2015 #50

Well, the hate coming at FDR Democrats these days is full throated and blood boiling. Octafish Jun 2015 #54

I hear that, but then again the vitriol aimed at FDR by some here made me look at their other Rex Jun 2015 #56

Anti-FDR, Anti-New Deal, Anti-Social Security.... bvar22 Jun 2015 #270

In terms of wealth things might be worse than in 1929 n/t hootinholler Jun 2015 #57

Don't bother Depaysement Jun 2015 #45

I like bernie, but DonCoquixote Jun 2015 #49

Indeed. We're better than that. (Or should be). [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #88

Agreed. MuseRider Jun 2015 #103

Good point. We don't want to sink to the level of political canibalism of the GOP primary 2012. marble falls Jun 2015 #221

Hillarynevitableness Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #53

Really? Bernie's message is that he feels sorry for Hillary's supporters? Umm... no. Buzz Clik Jun 2015 #55

Aww fuck... hootinholler Jun 2015 #62

You do understand that Bernie is having fun campaigning without being attacked.... Sancho Jun 2015 #59

That's a strong dose of realism. okasha Jun 2015 #128

Yep... Sancho Jun 2015 #133

Not to mention hard working white people Fumesucker Jun 2015 #163

The more middle and lower income whites we can take away from the R's, the better. okasha Jun 2015 #165

Hard working white people are wealthy white people Fumesucker Jun 2015 #167

Are you? okasha Jun 2015 #169

Hard working? Fumesucker Jun 2015 #170

Are you rich? okasha Jun 2015 #171

Part of working smart is knowing what you are working for Fumesucker Jun 2015 #197

Wow. Just wow. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #237

Indeed, there's a lot of that going around Fumesucker Jun 2015 #248

Except that post you linked to says nothing like what you are claiming. n/t 1StrongBlackMan Jun 2015 #255

I claimed that post made me go "Oh Wow!" Fumesucker Jun 2015 #275

Ummmm ..... not sure I get your point. I admit, I'm old and a bit dense. marble falls Jun 2015 #253

I don't support Hillary, but you can safely bet the farm that I WILL vote for her if she getsthe nod marble falls Jun 2015 #254

That's OK, I'm old too and often more than a bit dense Fumesucker Jun 2015 #277

Wow, sounds like he's inevitable! BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #60

K&R! This should have hundreds of recommendations! Enthusiast Jun 2015 #63

Great to hear Bernie's message is getting out. Does Hillary have a message yet? jalan48 Jun 2015 #66

+1 Zamen Jun 2015 #112

The other sad fact for Hillary folks is she's giving them nothing. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #68

You missed the voting rights speech in Houston? okasha Jun 2015 #134

Who signed DOMA again? nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #138

Not Hillary. okasha Jun 2015 #140

Bernie isn't into empty gestures and rhetoric. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #143

How many Pride parades has he marched in? Got any good pics? okasha Jun 2015 #148

Marching is good. This is a helluva lot better: Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #199

You may have noticed--or not-- okasha Jun 2015 #202

Look up "labored hypothesis." Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #208

Look up "I was there, Charlie." okasha Jun 2015 #209

Post the photos. nt Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #210

Here are several sites that include photos, vids and articles okasha Jun 2015 #278

Did "the Google" -- what came up Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #280

I will try to fix links later okasha Jun 2015 #282

Well, then, she lied to Terri Gross Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #283

No, she didn't. okasha Jun 2015 #284

I think this is the link okasha was trying to give you. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #285

Thank you , justin. okasha Jun 2015 #287

My pleasure. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #288

Justin has very kindly put up a photo and working links okasha Jun 2015 #289

Still waiting for the photos . . . Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #264

Several to follow later. At work. okasha Jun 2015 #271

Comedy gold! I love DU for the wrong reasons!! closeupready Jun 2015 #259

Not Hillary. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #146

Nah, she just supported it up until last year. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #265

Still waiting for the citation that the FLOTUS signs legislation DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #276

Interesting. Damansarajaya Jun 2015 #281

You are my hero... Your Native American woman riff was the funniest thing I ever read ... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #147

Thanks! We do try not to be stereotypically stoic all the time. okasha Jun 2015 #151

It didn't deserve a hide...Blame it on the vagaries of the jury system./NT DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #156

Truth. okasha Jun 2015 #161

She's giving me plenty... DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #145

Bravo! okasha Jun 2015 #160

I love Bernie Sanders, but some of his supporters are becoming as insufferable as the Paulbearers. ashtonelijah Jun 2015 #75

Bingo shenmue Jun 2015 #78

A candidates supporters should have no effect on who you support. Agschmid Jun 2015 #142

Wish I could rec this mcar Jun 2015 #193

Don't disagree that some Sanders supporters are condescending, but you have to be.. Dawgs Jun 2015 #229

No need of your pity. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #77

I prefer empathy hootinholler Jun 2015 #116

Understood. hrmjustin Jun 2015 #119

thanks for your concern dlwickham Jun 2015 #79

Don't. graywarrior Jun 2015 #85

Bernie Concern Trolls? OhZone Jun 2015 #118

The Hillary supporters are doing very well, we are very confident in Hillary and her Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #126

I'm not a Hillary supporter but i feel embarrassed for those JI7 Jun 2015 #136

… and many experiences Agony Jun 2015 #152

An Internet poll? Seriously? NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #153

Nope. An actual poll of where the Wis. delegates are. n/t hootinholler Jun 2015 #159

So only 32% (511 of 1,590) of delegates voted. NYC Liberal Jun 2015 #211

I feel your concern Hekate Jun 2015 #154

They have become Republicans Lite, Banal and acceptable . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #157

Wisconnsin is a bit unique. It's highly progressive in certain areas. cheapdate Jun 2015 #158

It is difficult to feel sorry for anyone who Utopian Leftist Jun 2015 #162

"why anyone on a liberal board would support the more conservative candidate?" PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #172

How about, we're the supporting the more liberal candidate who can get elected? brooklynite Jun 2015 #181

the assumption that Hillary can get elected is flawed Man from Pickens Jun 2015 #190

Great post. Dawgs Jun 2015 #231

Sorry, but only a fool would think Hillary has a better shot than Sanders. Dawgs Jun 2015 #230

The odds makers and the entire gambling public must be fools DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #241

LOL!! Dawgs Jun 2015 #242

LOL DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #245

What will that say about Hillary when she will have lost to both of them? Dawgs Jun 2015 #260

Way to casually dismiss the achievements of the first black president. DemocratSinceBirth Jun 2015 #274

We'll see who actually wins, and there was no bigger supporter for Obama on DU than me. Dawgs Jun 2015 #279

You're supporting a candidate that has been campaigning since 1994, 100% name recognition Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #256

Why don't you embroider your concern for Hillary onto a throw pillow, 6000eliot Jun 2015 #176

OMG... that is the best post of the day!!! OKNancy Jun 2015 #179

Do Bernie a favor. Don't support him this way. winter is coming Jun 2015 #184

+1000 mcar Jun 2015 #194

Sanders can not win the general. McCamy Taylor Jun 2015 #200

Maybe not but America does deserve a real choice in this election Joe Turner Jun 2015 #204

I'm sorry, but I'm not prepared to accept a loss for the sake of "principle" brooklynite Jun 2015 #205

Principle will beat personality cult every time.. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #266

...if he gets elected.... brooklynite Jun 2015 #267

Absolutely Great Message Joe Turner Jun 2015 #201

I don't feel at all bad for Hillary supporters. SheilaT Jun 2015 #203

"Sit down, shut up, and vote for Hillary because She's Inevitable. " brooklynite Jun 2015 #217

Just go back through this one thread and look at all the smug assumptions SheilaT Jun 2015 #250

So, any post that says that Bernie will win means he's inevitable? brooklynite Jun 2015 #252

Frank Bruni allinthegame Jun 2015 #206

Yeah, we are quaking in our boots.......... Beacool Jun 2015 #207

I donated this weekend. I want to see his candadicy get every advantage it can! newthinking Jun 2015 #212

Thanks for your concern. BlueMTexpat Jun 2015 #215

Hilllary historian Jun 2015 #219

We have also had Margaret Thatcher. Ruthless, austerity-loving hawk Margaret Thatcher. djean111 Jun 2015 #238

You are so far off the mark, it's incredible. randome Jun 2015 #236

Message dpatbrown Jun 2015 #239

Well, I agree with the overall sentiment. raouldukelives Jun 2015 #251

No doubt, Clinton's supporters will allow you all the consideration your obvious degree of sincerity LanternWaste Jun 2015 #262

It's really sad to see multiple Bernie supporters in this thread say they won't vote for Hillary taught_me_patience Jun 2015 #269

It isn't sad, it's infuriating and pathetic. Beacool Jun 2015 #272

K&R#155 n/t bobthedrummer Jun 2015 #286