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econoclast

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2. Very misleading

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 11:46 AM

Jun 2015

The data compare AVERAGE home price to MEDIAN incomes.

Because lots of these markets have a high-end that is eye-popingly high, it skews the AVERAGE home price very high.

While there might be something to this story, I'd like to see what things look like comparing MEDIAN home price to MEDIAN incomes.

Note -I assume the median home prices are (a) readily available and (b) when using median home prices the story fizzles out ... Thats why they are using average not median home prices.

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No,it's careless use of terms. The chart at link shows median residence cost, not mean. Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #7

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Detached single family (SFD) is the typical benchmark for a national comparison Gormy Cuss Jun 2015 #14

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Feel good only 1939 Jun 2015 #78

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And this does'nt even take into account their student loan high-interest debt. canoeist52 Jun 2015 #4

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We're Number One! We're Number One! KamaAina Jun 2015 #13

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I'm Gen X AwakeAtLast Jun 2015 #19

Thanks for mentioning that. CBHagman Jun 2015 #62

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UNLESS SoCalDem Jun 2015 #21

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Wherever there are millennials working for minimum wage that is a place the they cannot afford to jwirr Jun 2015 #26

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Fair enough. Recursion Jun 2015 #31

I really enjoyed watching Fla. Go Vols Jun 2015 #34

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Yeah, that's the problem Recursion Jun 2015 #75

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