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95. Wow, even you could testify for the FOJ against Snowden. BTW, I know what data is in the phone call

Mon Jun 8, 2015, 05:15 PM

Jun 2015

Records. Yes there has been violations of my Fourth Amendment rights, unless there is proof of a warrant requested by Snowden, then my rights have been violated. The charges of espionage and theft are valid. Would I ever trust Snowden, so far he has not shown he can be trusted. Did he tell me something I did not know, no, George W had already said in 2006 they was collecting the data. Changes was implemented in 2008 and since the Patriot Act was very young it is not unusual to tweak bills after they are passed.

You are saying he had the right to look at the records because he was contracted to do so by the government and he stole files and gave information of the dealings of the NSA which resulted in espionage, he was not contracted by NSA to reveal the information. Yes, you would make a fine witness for the DOJ.

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