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Dragonfli

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61. I call it the "pre-cog" defense as you can only charge someone before the crime

Sat May 12, 2012, 06:54 PM

May 2012

as per that Tom Cruise movie.

I wonder if that defense will be used by lawyers in the future, it is a rather strange legal opinion and defense (and when exactly did they hire him as their defense lawyer to put forth such a weird defense?).

I have never heard of such a defense for high crimes before, but then again, I am not a law scholar.
And it did work, they didn't even get probation.

Too bad the law is not so kind to those that steal food and end up in jail, it appears to only apply to torture murder and mass murder, the highest of crimes. Not so much for they hungry that steal or the sick that smoke a piece of a plant, they get the full force of law against them. Strange lehal system, or strange legal scholar, one or the other exists here (perhaps both).

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Malaysia: HISTORIC JUDGMENT. Bush & Associates Found Guilty of Torture [View all] think May 2012 OP

The US should require all these people to come to DC Angry Dragon May 2012 #1

show trials suck (and they scare me) cali May 2012 #2

Tell that to the guy who had his fingernails ripped out think May 2012 #4

I'll tell that to anyone- albeit more gently to the guy cali May 2012 #5

You going to give him a real trial and justice? think May 2012 #10

Show trial are your words for the tribunal not mine think May 2012 #12

lol! cali May 2012 #32

Is their resolution binding or not? think May 2012 #39

I understand how you feel Cali but a lot of trials in absentia could fall under this category stevenleser May 2012 #26

no, sorry. this is so obviously a show trial- and read grantcart's post. cali May 2012 #33

Post removed Post removed May 2012 #27

what, pray tell, you little genius you, is a conflict-prevention obsessed twit? cali May 2012 #34

Much as I despise the Bush and Cheney Junta, I must coalition_unwilling May 2012 #29

The trials should have been held here. But as everyone predicted, if the US will not sabrina 1 May 2012 #50

It's not holding anyone accountable... Cave_Johnson May 2012 #69

no. The Hague is the appropriate place for trying them. cali May 2012 #94

Guess you didn't read the Wikileaks cables then. sabrina 1 May 2012 #108

"show trial" is a slur on Malaysia and those on the Tribunal Swagman May 2012 #82

those on the tribunal are pretty damned dirty themselves. cali May 2012 #95

Fuck the Malaysian legal system jberryhill May 2012 #98

At least they didn't send a drone to perform a summary execution. Zalatix May 2012 #87

And how bushitler can ride mountain bikes with catastrophically injured vets and be any kind of lonestarnot May 2012 #3

This is good!!! This is very good... duhneece May 2012 #6

how is a show trial justice? cali May 2012 #7

Now if we only had a president with guts who understood the law to put these criminals in jail... on point May 2012 #8

He is a smart man but needs to sue the University he recieved his law degee from Dragonfli May 2012 #13

complicit by looking forward imo..that is how history will judge i think..nt xiamiam May 2012 #23

I call it the "pre-cog" defense as you can only charge someone before the crime Dragonfli May 2012 #61

Yea, well AnotherMcIntosh May 2012 #21

here's a little outdated information on the KLWCC Voice for Peace May 2012 #9

Thank you for the background info /nt think May 2012 #11

It's a good effort on their part. nt Voice for Peace May 2012 #14

The man who established this "trial" is a hateful bigot cali May 2012 #15

The FACTS are these people tortured others. The source doesn't diminish the truth on point May 2012 #16

how you or i feel is not the frickin' point cali May 2012 #19

No harm, no foul, I agree, time to look forward from such minor offenses. Dragonfli May 2012 #74

I would rather have applauded Obama in yr 1 of his presidency on point May 2012 #17

Blasphemy! He did the right thing, no one that was fully human was hurt, we should look forward Dragonfli May 2012 #81

Back when this 'trial' started, I read the same Wikipedia article RZM May 2012 #18

He needs to look forward, we can forgive anything done to enemies and we rightly should. /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #75

so you infer that the learned personnel on the Tribunal cannot be taken seriously Swagman May 2012 #85

no, I know that they're not to taken seriously. and other than some cali May 2012 #96

LOL. 'Historic Judgment?' RZM May 2012 #20

Their headline not mine. /nt think May 2012 #25

I guess that's not surprising as the story comes from Global Research RZM May 2012 #42

Do you believe torture occurred under Bush or not? think May 2012 #46

Do you believe that choosy moms choose Jif or not? RZM May 2012 #48

There have been choosy moms that have admitted to that, there are also books admitting to torture Dragonfli May 2012 #62

Too hard to understand? RZM May 2012 #66

Ok. I have been known to be a bit playful with posts myself Dragonfli May 2012 #67

Historically on the wrong side of history, how dare they try a man exonerated!!!!! /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #76

fingernails removed? omg...nt xiamiam May 2012 #22

It is a minor irritation, please it's time to look forward, that is the right thing to do /nt Dragonfli May 2012 #73

Dear George, on behalf of all of us, please accept this gift, one-way air tickets to Kuala Lampur. Scuba May 2012 #24

Before people jump for joy you should realize that the Malaysian judiciary is the laughing stock grantcart May 2012 #28

Oh? RobertEarl May 2012 #30

wow. there's a bullshit comparison. cali May 2012 #37

Anwar Ibrahim is known to about 300 million people grantcart May 2012 #49

Ok RobertEarl May 2012 #52

Well we are moving in the right direction grantcart May 2012 #55

yeah? RobertEarl May 2012 #58

I am going to have to involk the "I am not going to assist you in making grantcart May 2012 #60

One can only assume that you feel Bush and Cheney broke no laws when they tortured people Dragonfli May 2012 #63

One can only assume that you have problems reading above a 6th grade level. grantcart May 2012 #104

Of course, you are right, I am an idiot, everyone that does not agree with you is Dragonfli May 2012 #106

No everyone who thinks that Malaysian Court is not a homophobic instrument that undermines grantcart May 2012 #107

alas, your post will fall on deaf ears cali May 2012 #31

Awwww RobertEarl May 2012 #35

the world is not a terribly just place. cali May 2012 #38

WE of course should not try them here, here they broke no laws Dragonfli May 2012 #90

How dare you criticize the party! Dragonfli May 2012 #91

thank you for posting this maddezmom May 2012 #36

Then it is settled. Torture never happened under Bush. Thank you think May 2012 #40

yeah, that's what grantcart said. cali May 2012 #41

Apparently it's not acceptable for Malaysians to investigate torture think May 2012 #44

what investigation. this was a done deal. and frankly, I don't play the idiot cali May 2012 #51

If this verdict were produced in a real trial under a reputable justice system RZM May 2012 #43

You mean like the US justice system? FAT CHANCE think May 2012 #45

lol no the court you cite is the same court that tried to ruin Malaysia's most popular grantcart May 2012 #47

+1 Johnny Rico May 2012 #65

you are wrong. There are brilliant and honest people in the Malaysian judiciary Swagman May 2012 #86

Again people unable to read very well. grantcart May 2012 #105

It's kind of ironic from a country who still flogs people demosincebirth May 2012 #53

not to mention the scores of other serious human rights abuses. cali May 2012 #54

I started with the less serious. demosincebirth May 2012 #70

Actually, great news as now the entire republican Party can be tied to this conviction BanTheGOP May 2012 #56

no it won't. that's utterly ridiculous- cali May 2012 #57

... think May 2012 #59

That's absurd. Johnny Rico May 2012 #64

Guess Malaysia is off the book selling tours for Shrub and Darth... Swede Atlanta May 2012 #68

another country they can't visit..... PatrynXX May 2012 #71

After cruising Meta for the first time, I have to say, they are wrong to have opposed torture Dragonfli May 2012 #72

My question to you then Dragonfli, is if you have to compromise your principles so far... bluesbassman May 2012 #77

Because I have given up fighting for what is right, and decided all that is left is to fight Dragonfli May 2012 #78

I'm sorry to hear of you illness, I wish you the best as you battle it. bluesbassman May 2012 #79

You don't get it, if the more intelligent posters here try reasoned participation Dragonfli May 2012 #80

No, I do get it. There are plenty of posters here who voice their disagreement... bluesbassman May 2012 #83

They (politicians) ignore us once elected, only during elections do they care what we say Dragonfli May 2012 #84

lol. you flatter yourself, dear. cali May 2012 #93

Not much of a trial TomClash May 2012 #88

Afghanistan held a Tribunal vs Bush back in '04 chknltl May 2012 #89

"Ali Shalal was attached with bare electrical wires..." malthaussen May 2012 #92

Just a minor inconvienience, our President does not think anything done deserves Dragonfli May 2012 #100

Fli, I share your outrage malthaussen May 2012 #101

You misunderstand me, I am now among the converted. I will jump on the bandwagon Dragonfli May 2012 #103

K&r... spanone May 2012 #97

I'd love to see this tribunal end up at the real deal real soon... dreampunk May 2012 #99

The Decision has been made, you are incorrect, there is nothing wrong with what happened Dragonfli May 2012 #102

VIDEO: Kuala Lumpur war tribunal finds Bush guilty of war crimes‎ - Press TV News L. Coyote May 2012 #109