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B Calm

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12. Exactly! If the employer has a bad employee that's prone to fuck up, fire them. No

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 07:26 AM

Jun 2015

need to drug test all employees and violate their right to privacy.

The Fourth Amendment says that the government cannot search everyone to find the few who might be guilty of an offense.

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Legal Use of Marijuana Clashes With Job Rules [View all] Egnever Jun 2015 OP

I agree that there needs to be some consonance on this issue. MADem Jun 2015 #1

Legalization is one issue, drug testing is another pipoman Jun 2015 #2

Exactly dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #8

That was the major issue w/legalizing pot, as I saw it. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #9

Saliva Test Half-Century Man Jun 2015 #28

I had no idea and appreciate the link. Thanks. It's important. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #43

That's what I was thinking gollygee Jun 2015 #14

I Read What Appears To Be A Synopsis of The Times Article ProfessorGAC Jun 2015 #33

k & r & thanks! n/t wildbilln864 Jun 2015 #3

really want President O to mandate that darn plant off the Federal drug list. Let the Rs rant. Sunlei Jun 2015 #4

Nicotine free workers has been upheld at the federal level. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #5

Is it legal to discriminate against people who use "legal" opiates? tridim Jun 2015 #6

No more illegal than discriminating against people who use legal tobacco. WillowTree Jun 2015 #41

I'm not aware of the tobacco discrimination dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #45

At many companies, including the one I work for....... WillowTree Jun 2015 #47

Well, that's still a long ways from blood or piss tests dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #62

You apparently didn't understand what I meant....... WillowTree Jun 2015 #63

That sucks dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #68

Yes, it is legal discrimination madville Jun 2015 #55

So there are no jobs where being drug free will help ensure public safety? KittyWampus Jun 2015 #7

Why? dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #10

The cost of business insurance for one thing. hack89 Jun 2015 #11

Exactly! If the employer has a bad employee that's prone to fuck up, fire them. No B Calm Jun 2015 #12

Ah, so no toxicology report necessary for train engineer in latest train tragedy in PA? KittyWampus Jun 2015 #15

What part of fire him do you not understand? B Calm Jun 2015 #17

Ah, so no law suits. Not from passengers, certainty. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #20

A pee test doesn't prove the worker is impaired. B Calm Jun 2015 #23

It can widely limit potential for a company to be held liable in the case of an accident though. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #24

Because the drugs may be an influencing and causitive factor, that's why. KittyWampus Jun 2015 #13

Great post. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #18

Workers who are responsible for others' lives should be held to high standards, B Calm Jun 2015 #22

It can determine drug use… and there is a high correlation to drug use and accidents KittyWampus Jun 2015 #25

So you are going on the premise that drug tests are reliable. But, drug screens are NOT always B Calm Jun 2015 #27

Insurance companies require it for some jobs gollygee Jun 2015 #16

Everyday it seems some can't wait to agree with the authoritarian, right wing agenda TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #19

what? KittyWampus Jun 2015 #21

He's accusing you (and others) of being authoritarians who argue to subvert the public's rights... Chan790 Jun 2015 #26

Authoritarianism comes in two flavors: Left Wing and Right Wing Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #29

Who's insisting the right to party? We're insisting on preserving the right to B Calm Jun 2015 #30

And your opinion about society's right to reserve certain job categories for the non-impaired? Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #31

Why don't you share your opinion with the unmarried mother who was subjected B Calm Jun 2015 #32

I refuse to DIE to provide evidence of job-fuck-up for a pilot, train conductor, or surgeon Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #34

Yes, the Supreme Court has carved out limited exceptions to allow for drug testing. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #36

Good post. Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #39

You'd have a better case if most of the people being tested weren't in nonsensitive jobs TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #50

She thought maybe the her employer wasn't going to notice she was pregnant? WillowTree Jun 2015 #40

whoosh... B Calm Jun 2015 #56

Critical public safety job holders should not be impaired. I agree. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #35

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think a blood test would be better than a urine test Pooka Fey Jun 2015 #38

Please don't confuse the pot people with the PC crowd. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #37

Zero tolerance for drug use at/in the workplace...except for doctor prescribed medication...imo. Rex Jun 2015 #42

Same standard for alcohol? Didin't think so... dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #44

Duh. Rex Jun 2015 #48

Except that it isn't dreamnightwind Jun 2015 #61

There are a lot of prescribed medications that will get you much higher than weed. JTFrog Jun 2015 #49

Yes, because if it turned out it was legal meds...it would not mean instant termination. Rex Jun 2015 #51

It seems like it's not really impairment you're concerned with. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #64

It is but also if it is illegal or not. Would you want contraband in your office? Rex Jun 2015 #66

I agree, unless you are saying that the employer also pipoman Jun 2015 #52

No not at all, just if someone shows up stumbling around obviously not in their right state of mind. Rex Jun 2015 #53

This is the problem with testing, they can't actually tell if someone is intoxicated pipoman Jun 2015 #54

Let me clarify better, there is no drug testing I am against it. Rex Jun 2015 #57

If I'm managing machine operators or forklift drivers I would to.. pipoman Jun 2015 #59

LOL yeah maybe I would overlook Hollywood and some places. Rex Jun 2015 #60

iirc, there was a software company in recent news that required applicants... 0rganism Jun 2015 #46

This same logic could be used to fire anyone on pain or psych meds...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2015 #58

we need legislation addressing these employer drug tests bigtree Jun 2015 #65

This is discrimination. ellisonz Jun 2015 #67