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Rex

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24. It's not going to pass.

Tue Jun 9, 2015, 10:48 PM

Jun 2015

It will never become law. Too much toxic sludge now that some have peeked behind the curtain. Could hurt careers down the line.

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Will you fight the Fast Track of the TPP and TSA? Will DU? [View all] marym625 Jun 2015 OP

kicking marym625 Jun 2015 #1

I certainly will. But my MN representative is strongly against it already. So what else can I do? jwirr Jun 2015 #2

Thank them. marym625 Jun 2015 #3

Just so you know marym625 Jun 2015 #111

Kick. Have and will continue too. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #4

awesome! Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #5

Am I allowed to read it first? tridim Jun 2015 #6

Actually, no. marym625 Jun 2015 #7

No agreement on anything has been leaked. Period. tridim Jun 2015 #8

portions of both the TPP and TiSA have been leaked marym625 Jun 2015 #9

It's impossible to leak something that doesn't exist yet Recursion Jun 2015 #65

and still, you haven't answered my question. marym625 Jun 2015 #106

You keep saying that. How will it be "too late"? Recursion Jun 2015 #35

I already answered that marym625 Jun 2015 #39

Because it isn't that hard to count to 51 or 218 and remember that the TeaPubliKlans TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #94

crickets marym625 Jun 2015 #184

Read reply #47 Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #49

For every 1 call you make to your elected officials you represent 4000 constituents. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #10

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #11

... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #12

kick, kick, kick marym625 Jun 2015 #13

kick, kick, kick marym625 Jun 2015 #14

Thank you, yes I absolutely will call tomorrow. I will post this on twitter also, where there is sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #15

Thank you, Sabrina marym625 Jun 2015 #19

It's never been more active or more exciting. I used twitter mostly for news, following much more sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #22

agree! I will try! marym625 Jun 2015 #27

No, I support TPA. President Obama deserves an up or down vote in Congress on the deal he negotiates tritsofme Jun 2015 #16

Exactly. ucrdem Jun 2015 #18

Because it is a bad treaty for the American people. marym625 Jun 2015 #45

Then argue to have the treaty voted down after it is available jberryhill Jun 2015 #97

That has never happened in US history on a fast track trade agreement Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #104

The people I respect that have read it, think it is bad for America. marym625 Jun 2015 #108

No he shouldn't be. The others shouldn't have gotten it either. marym625 Jun 2015 #20

Under TPA the text of the agreement must be public for 60 days before Obama can sign tritsofme Jun 2015 #23

Here is another way to go at it marym625 Jun 2015 #44

If House Democrats had engaged on TPA instead of providing uniform opposition tritsofme Jun 2015 #121

It was a show and it was bullshit. marym625 Jun 2015 #131

The opposition to TPA was a show. Opponents smelled blood, and went in for the kill tritsofme Jun 2015 #136

It was a show and it was bullshit. marym625 Jun 2015 #180

Obama deserves an up or down vote in Congress on the deal he negotiates??? HE? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #130

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #133

New Republic changed hands not so long ago and fired most of its long-time staff. ucrdem Jun 2015 #17

Your prerogative marym625 Jun 2015 #21

Likewise ... ucrdem Jun 2015 #185

The problem with that assessment marym625 Jun 2015 #198

Quite a stew of paranoid conspiracy theories there. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #32

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #46

noted. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #89

It's not going to pass. Rex Jun 2015 #24

I hope you are right marym625 Jun 2015 #28

I don't either, but by now it has started to spoil out in the sunlight. Rex Jun 2015 #31

spoiled in the sun! love that. marym625 Jun 2015 #33

Depends. I'll wait until it's negotiated Recursion Jun 2015 #25

That will be too late. But your prerogative marym625 Jun 2015 #29

How will that be "too late"? The law requires it to be public for 60 days before Congress votes Recursion Jun 2015 #34

Because at that point, marym625 Jun 2015 #37

Right, it's an up or down vote. A country can't just unilaterally change a treaty Recursion Jun 2015 #38

What? marym625 Jun 2015 #42

We aren't "discovering the new horrors of NAFTA"; people are just completely making shit up Recursion Jun 2015 #63

Really? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #82

Oh come on, Nance, marym625 Jun 2015 #107

Here's what is real ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #143

You made my point for me. marym625 Jun 2015 #145

I don't know how you could think ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #147

Are you seriously going to pretend that this is about what President Obama said to Warren? marym625 Jun 2015 #177

I was just quoting ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #178

What is amazing is that you are ignoring everything else. marym625 Jun 2015 #179

If this was such a good deal for the American worker there..... Hotler Jun 2015 #154

I don't know why this needs to be repeated ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #155

The secrecy involved in these agreements is unprecedented marym625 Jun 2015 #186

The secrecy is not unprecented. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #194

Nice that you know better than negotiators marym625 Jun 2015 #195

How so? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #196

my assessment? marym625 Jun 2015 #197

I don't care how it has been done in the past. It needs to change. Hotler Jun 2015 #191

The secrecy involved in these agreements is unprecedented marym625 Jun 2015 #187

+1000 Hoyt Jun 2015 #157

Kicking AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #26

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #30

Not this bull again about it being secret for 5 years. That's the negotiating documents, not the Hoyt Jun 2015 #36

Not this bull again. marym625 Jun 2015 #40

Then why are our representatives reading it for the last month or so? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #47

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #48

Simple, it too is a negotiating document. The final agreement, assuming there is one, will be Hoyt Jun 2015 #57

Have YOU read anything on this? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #58

I've read almost everything available, including this kind of junk. Go read the TPA Hoyt Jun 2015 #60

So on a Democratic board you agree with the majority of Republican's on just this one issue??? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #61

The majority of Republican voters oppose the TPP and free trade agreements in general Recursion Jun 2015 #62

So the POTUS is acting in our best interests on this with a Congress that wants to destroy him? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #67

Stopped clocks. DU is just wrong about trade; it happens Recursion Jun 2015 #70

HHHMMM Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #73

No, there is no "the text of the TPP" to be kept anywhere Recursion Jun 2015 #74

I'm growing tired of somebody that can't read 100's of articles about what is going on and get it Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #76

It is not surprising that someone who gains financially when jobs are shipped to India Dragonfli Jun 2015 #85

India is not party to any of these agreements. Hoyt Jun 2015 #90

What does India have to do with the TPP? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #93

It's obvious that the human rights abuses in some of the signatory nations don't bother you at all Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #100

it has more to do with fast track, there are three "trade" deals we are being prepped for, Dragonfli Jun 2015 #102

Bush made the Free Trade of the America's Agreement publicly available neverforget Jun 2015 #78

Well, you apparently are agreeing with the majority of Tbaggers who hate having Hoyt Jun 2015 #69

Disgusting. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #87

It is absolutely disgusting Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #171

Documents running hundreds of pages requiring prior security clearance Joe Turner Jun 2015 #56

Those are negotiating documents. You will see the entire final agreement, assuming Hoyt Jun 2015 #59

What a laugh. Obama has already made up his mind on TPP Joe Turner Jun 2015 #64

90 days is the shortest period, it could be longer. You don't even know enough facts upon which Hoyt Jun 2015 #66

As discussed at length with you in other threads Joe Turner Jun 2015 #72

Citation needed Recursion Jun 2015 #75

Millions of people say you are wrong, including some our most trusted Democrats. This is a travesty sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #68

Millions of Americans say you are wrong too, including Democrats. Hoyt Jun 2015 #71

90 sure, but... Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #79

No I know what will happen if Fast Tracking passes. It will be a done deal, the vote will nothing sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #80

It also makes the vote unique in the Senate as fast track lowers the vote threshold from over sixty Dragonfli Jun 2015 #86

Not true. The Senate TPA allows Congress to rescind Fast Track if it does not meet objectives Hoyt Jun 2015 #91

Anyone counting on Boehner and company to look out for American workers and the environment is TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #95

I'm correcting the incorrect post I responded to. Congress can force a change in Hoyt Jun 2015 #96

Sure they can, then why Fast Track it? Bring it to the floor so the people KNOW what is in it. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #119

You haven't lost the right. You know a lot now, you will know everything before it goes to Congress Hoyt Jun 2015 #120

man you're condescending. marym625 Jun 2015 #134

I guess posting accusing me of being a callous, right winger is OK with you, though. Hoyt Jun 2015 #135

Don't try to play the blame game when your first reply was "not this bull again" marym625 Jun 2015 #137

Well the OP did include blatant mistruths. I guess those are OK with you too. Hoyt Jun 2015 #138

100's of articles, every progressive talk host against this... Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #139

You got it, every self-styled "progressive" talk show host trying to build a following. Hoyt Jun 2015 #140

And the night hosts on MSNBC? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #141

Everyone against TPP is lying to you. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #142

Why couldn't I see that Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #148

I watch Big Ed almost every night. But he makes so many blunders discussing TPP Hoyt Jun 2015 #144

Rachel Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #146

Sadly Senator Warren is one of the main ones spreading misinformation. Hoyt Jun 2015 #149

And know we know who it is that doesn't understand the issue Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #150

So now you are going to attack ACA, what's next? Hoyt Jun 2015 #156

Oh 7 years later YOU add it will cost more to what the POTUS meant Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #158

Are you covered by ACA? Hoyt Jun 2015 #159

I have ins as a retiree Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #161

Environmentalists, Unions, doctors, post office, AARP, have lobbyists too, just like corporations. Hoyt Jun 2015 #162

I'm not denying anybody ADA Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #163

He was right on both, and got us the best deal possible. Anyone else would Hoyt Jun 2015 #164

So now TPP is just the best the POTUS could get? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #165

It wasn't this clip of Ed Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #188

I just got to this party Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #41

Thank you, OS! marym625 Jun 2015 #43

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #50

Thank you, deleanime! marym625 Jun 2015 #51

Are you kidding? daleanime Jun 2015 #52

Your subject scared me marym625 Jun 2015 #53

Sorry about that.... daleanime Jun 2015 #101

No worries! marym625 Jun 2015 #109

Obama's signature on these agreements... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #54

+a kazillion! marym625 Jun 2015 #55

K&R stage left Jun 2015 #77

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #110

K&R nenagh Jun 2015 #81

Thank you for taking part! marym625 Jun 2015 #112

K & R AzDar Jun 2015 #83

Thanks for the kick and for taking part! marym625 Jun 2015 #113

It's disgusting that people claiming to be liberals or progressives come on this board Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #84

Some of those people belittle liberals elsewhere Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #88

Notice that one always recs his own posts and has the same little group Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #132

Well, that particularly disingenuous and offensive poster has been on my ignore list for years, Maedhros Jun 2015 #151

Brookings supports what they think TPP will say when finalized, assuming it is. Hoyt Jun 2015 #92

Who gives a shit what Brookings "thinks" might be the final agreement Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #167

They've done the research. Few here have dine ant research. Hoyt Jun 2015 #168

And I have heard from people who were actually involved in the negotiations Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #169

You are talking to corporatists, because to hear you guys, they are the ones negotiating it? Hoyt Jun 2015 #170

What nonsense Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #172

So who have you been talking to that has been involved? You made the claim. Hoyt Jun 2015 #173

I made a couple of OPs about this a couple of weeks ago Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #174

Oh, so it's not just corporations involved in the negotiations, as folks keep saying. Hoyt Jun 2015 #175

Folks don't keep saying that, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #176

You sure seem to know a lot about it for having been kept in the dark. Hoyt Jun 2015 #189

Only because of leaks Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #190

Ever seen a conservo-crat banned from this board? Me neither. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #114

I used to wonder marym625 Jun 2015 #115

Asking members of DU to fight...... Hotler Jun 2015 #98

Well I didn't mean with each other. marym625 Jun 2015 #116

I know that. DU members do not fight........ Hotler Jun 2015 #153

I agree marym625 Jun 2015 #181

Done. LWolf Jun 2015 #99

Wyden's the guy who desperately needs this agreement Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #103

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #117

I will never, ever vote for Wyden again. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #152

Let us all read it Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #105

LOL! marym625 Jun 2015 #118

Another K & R Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #122

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #123

I'll do what I can! Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #124

Oh so sorry! marym625 Jun 2015 #125

Emailed! Twice! Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #128

awesome! marym625 Jun 2015 #129

Glad this is out there libodem Jun 2015 #126

ain't it an awesome site with a great tool? marym625 Jun 2015 #127

Been fighting it since day one. mmonk Jun 2015 #160

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #182

Big pharma is behind the TPP. ozone_man Jun 2015 #166

yep marym625 Jun 2015 #183

Thanks! I've met with Dem Senate Rep and Called and e-mailed my Repub House Rep KoKo Jun 2015 #192

That's fabulous! marym625 Jun 2015 #193