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quickesst

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137. I suppose...

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 06:21 AM

Jun 2015

...I should have been a little more specific. I was talking about Bernie and his independent status. I can see where a lot of people who are not as politically involved as most on, say, Democratic Underground, are going to vote straight Democrat no matter what. Then there are others who are Democrats, that will ask themselves when the last time an independent won. and decide their vote won't mean anything. I simply thought the OP addressed a potential problem that might want to be discussed. especially among Bernie's supporters. I also think it was in no way, shape, or form presented in a negative manner. Thus my reply to the OP regarding some of the replies received. I stand by it. As far as the debates go? I don't care if they have 2 or 200. OP may or may not agree with me on that. I can't tell one way or the other.

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I don't think Bernie is in a good position to make demands of the DNC when it comes to the debates [View all] Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 OP

They still wouldn't give him the time of day. He's not a corporate stooge. hobbit709 Jun 2015 #1

Oy, as a Bernie fan who would support Hillary if she is nominated, I wonder how comments randys1 Jun 2015 #2

Thank You. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #50

Actually, it isn't. ozone_man Jun 2015 #118

Oh ffs. Blablabla Suggest You take a hint from Randys1 who I responded to. misterhighwasted Jun 2015 #125

... Scuba Jun 2015 #138

He scares them RobertEarl Jun 2015 #119

Is Bernie running as a Democrat against the rules? SaranchaIsWaiting Jun 2015 #3

Not against the rules but he is not a Democrat. leftofcool Jun 2015 #8

what part of the DNC has recognized him as a legitimate candidate and welcomed cali Jun 2015 #77

He's being treated the same way as everyone else. His photo is right beside Hillary's pnwmom Jun 2015 #28

The DNC chair publicly called Bernie 'crazy', & DNC finance chair held Hillary fundraiser which is peacebird Jun 2015 #41

Those actions were wrong. Thank you for being specific. n/t pnwmom Jun 2015 #59

:) peacebird Jun 2015 #70

no, DSW did not call him crazy. cali Jun 2015 #78

That was Boyd Brown, a DNC member from South Carolina Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #133

My bad, DNC Boyd Brown from SC (called on of the chairs in an article, not head honcho) peacebird Jun 2015 #134

when did Debbie Wasserman Schultz call him crazy dlwickham Jun 2015 #92

As I said above, my bad, member Boyd Brown said it She has REFUSED to come Against his commennt peacebird Jun 2015 #136

He should get his co-challengers to torpedo the exclusionary clause BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #4

But that would make him look like he lied and I know he will be true to his word. leftofcool Jun 2015 #10

He has asked for more debates and I think he's right BeyondGeography Jun 2015 #36

Then he should throw caution to the wind and strike out on his own. leftofcool Jun 2015 #42

gee.here's an idea the DNC shouldn't emulate asswipe repukes cali Jun 2015 #79

This drew an alert from... someone GummyBearz Jun 2015 #95

He has said he would abide by the DNC rules running as a Democrat candidate, then this are the rules Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #5

you mean the brand new never done before rules to benefit Hillary cali Jun 2015 #81

Or the DNC could become like the GOP, if Bernie can't make his points in 6 then 16 isn't going to Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #113

Yes, but HassleCat Jun 2015 #6

Ssdd PowerToThePeople Jun 2015 #7

but what has that to do with making demands of the DNC? Sheepshank Jun 2015 #44

because they have officially welcomed him to the race as a legitimate contender. duh cali Jun 2015 #82

The exclusion rule has been sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #9

Obama will support Hillary and you may be correct about an "agreement." leftofcool Jun 2015 #12

Okay then sadoldgirl Jun 2015 #19

He should be in the first 3 debates, then break the DNC rules and have his own debates on the side Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #11

That would cinch the primary for Hillary and make Bernie look like a liar. leftofcool Jun 2015 #13

I say we put that to the test, and see which side voters choose Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #14

Perhaps you could email Senator Sanders and ask him to debate Rand Paul? leftofcool Jun 2015 #16

That would be the end of his primary run. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #23

Yep! leftofcool Jun 2015 #27

No way that would make him an instant American hero Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #30

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #31

Thanks for the well thought out rebuttal Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #34

There was no need to rebut. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #46

To be fair mythology Jun 2015 #87

First they ignore him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #147

Just like President Kucinich? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #149

That was profound AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #151

I know. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #152

You are scared of him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #155

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #156

Then for his supporters sake, maybe he will do just that. leftofcool Jun 2015 #43

Or it would make Rand more popular? n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #175

To the GOP? Do we need the TP vote? If he wants to talk to Rand (R-RTW, personhood) he can do it. freshwest Jun 2015 #176

Ok I guess you didn't like that idea... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #177

Most Democrats, POC, LGBT and workers despise the Pauls. n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #178

He is obviously counting on party finances to support his efforts... Historic NY Jun 2015 #52

No he's running for the Democratic nomination. It's the debate rules I would say he should break. Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #53

If he runs contrary to the party debate rules then he is running as an independant.... Historic NY Jun 2015 #68

lol. bullshit cali Jun 2015 #84

Sorry you misunderstand the definitions of words... Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #98

He has stated emphatically that he will not run as an Independent: freshwest Jun 2015 #142

The party is twisting the debate rules to avoid him AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #148

No. okasha Jun 2015 #183

Why Rand Paul? That fool has no chance of winning anything and only FSogol Jun 2015 #83

Ha yeah Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #99

Bernie would do better to take questions from college students and not waste his FSogol Jun 2015 #100

Agreed. We need to engage all sides. nt freshwest Jun 2015 #143

Much better. freshwest Jun 2015 #179

Which campaign did that in 2012 after being shut down in 2008? n/t freshwest Jun 2015 #174

Demands? It sounded more like he was spit-balling an idea and a good one... Kalidurga Jun 2015 #15

It makes you wonder why he is running as a Democrat Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #17

I think he should do just that and stay out of the Party. leftofcool Jun 2015 #22

I bet you do . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #35

So, you would rather have a Republican win and just have the satisfaction cascadiance Jun 2015 #66

ding ding ding.disgusting, isn't it? cali Jun 2015 #89

not very smart of you. cali Jun 2015 #88

That is because he is right on every issue AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #150

It's the only way to have a chance of actually winning Cheese Sandwich Jun 2015 #26

I thought Senator Sanders was a strong candidate yeoman6987 Jun 2015 #85

Same thing would happen if Hillary Clinton ran as an independent too... cascadiance Jun 2015 #93

It's called the "Two Party System" AgingAmerican Jun 2015 #130

Because the Koch brothers would swoop him up with $$$$$ or orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #38

No, it doesn't. He caucuses and votes with Democrats. n/t Avalux Jun 2015 #55

if he had run as an indie hill wouldn't have a snowball's chance. cali Jun 2015 #86

Because Bernies supporters are Democrats in name only? LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #128

Bernie fans covet the struggle LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #167

The debate rules were adopted after (and probably because) he announced his candidacy tularetom Jun 2015 #102

Yes, I agree. TM99 Jun 2015 #127

You wouldn't wonder that if you had actually read anything about this issue. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #184

More debates are meaningless. In fact I would argue most people who watch any debates still_one Jun 2015 #18

Bernie's trying to change that Enrique Jun 2015 #25

He can't force people to watch the debates, and I suspect those that do watch the debates, the still_one Jun 2015 #60

The debates are fake? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #65

No, I just don't think in most cases they significantly change the results of an election, because still_one Jun 2015 #110

If you don't want to be bored with where people stand, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #48

and who do you think most voters are? Most people who watch the debates have still_one Jun 2015 #62

I'm sorry, where's the rule that you must be strapped to a chair and forced to watch every debate? jeff47 Jun 2015 #104

You are not understanding my comment. I am arguing that except for political junkies most people still_one Jun 2015 #111

So? They aren't the DNC's debates. The DNC doesn't care if no one watches. jeff47 Jun 2015 #112

Sure, but if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it does it make a sound? still_one Jun 2015 #114

Why does it matter? jeff47 Jun 2015 #116

Isn't that a waste of the candidates time and resources that could be spent elsewhere? still_one Jun 2015 #123

So's a speech where no one shows up. jeff47 Jun 2015 #124

Of course not. That is not the point. The candidates should debate in more fora precisely because morningfog Jun 2015 #121

C'mon-- you like their position because it benefits your candidate. Marr Jun 2015 #20

I thought it was up to each candidate to make themselves known, not the DNC. leftofcool Jun 2015 #24

You know, playing dumb like that really isn't cute or clever. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #32

I don't usually respond to personal attacks but........... leftofcool Jun 2015 #47

That wasn't a personal attack. Marr Jun 2015 #57

I don't do "hides" or "reports to juries." leftofcool Jun 2015 #63

Then he'd be cut out of the big DNC debates, as per the exclusivity rule. Marr Jun 2015 #64

It isn't. The DNC does not have to get involved with any other debates. jeff47 Jun 2015 #105

We could actually see Hillary begging for more debates... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #160

He hasn't paid his dues with interparty networking, either. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #21

They should have to Explain their reasoning on debates, and where the $$$$$$ Goes . orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #33

????????????????????? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #45

Yeah MFrohike Jun 2015 #73

idiotic cali Jun 2015 #90

Is that to me? MFrohike Jun 2015 #97

Not in interparty politics he doesn't. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #132

I love it MFrohike Jun 2015 #173

He's been caucusing with the Democrats since the day he entered the house. JeffHead Jun 2015 #94

That doesn't matter a whit. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #131

This post is quite an achievement in cluelessness. jeff47 Jun 2015 #106

You don't count his being the sole Senator in the Democratic Party's CPC as networking? freshwest Jun 2015 #144

Nope. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #146

True... That is why he chose to run as a Democrat and not Independent. We may be at cross purposes freshwest Jun 2015 #161

Nope, it will remain at 6. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #162

Six seems sufficient if the moderators are good and don't try to talk over them. I felt they were freshwest Jun 2015 #164

So the merits of a new debate rule matter nothing, and all that matters is schmoozing? (n/t) Jim Lane Jun 2015 #185

When has asking become demanding? Luminous Animal Jun 2015 #29

as was pointed out earlier, more debates-free publicity Sheepshank Jun 2015 #37

Exactly !! some people see it as getting to explain their postions, orpupilofnature57 Jun 2015 #58

Something tells me he did not MuseRider Jun 2015 #39

Bernie has caucused with the democrats always! They have been able to rely on him. TheNutcracker Jun 2015 #40

And in exchange they've given him committee assignments Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #51

overall Bernie has been a better dem than the majority of dems cali Jun 2015 #91

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. nt Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #169

Kinda like calling for someone to primary the POTUS in 2012. Stay in your lane Bernie. Tarheel_Dem Jun 2015 #49

DNC proves itself un-Democratic. Octafish Jun 2015 #54

Not voting is un-democratic. LuvLoogie Jun 2015 #129

I don't care about his 'position.' He's running with DNC money. He's a member of the DemocraticCPC. freshwest Jun 2015 #56

I don't think it is the job of the DNC to back any particular onecaliberal Jun 2015 #61

I agree padfun Jun 2015 #72

The DNC should not show any favoritism imo. nt Rex Jun 2015 #67

It has nothing to do with a 'D" beside his name. The DNC welcomed him to the primary and said it is Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #69

The problem is the DNC hasn't bothered to explain why the rules were changed. jeff47 Jun 2015 #108

I do agree that their reasoning should be explained. Agnosticsherbet Jun 2015 #122

In Vermont, like here in Washington, he's a (D) if he's running as one. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #71

your 2 cents mean nothing. get a clue. cali Jun 2015 #74

You seem angry. Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #75

Wow, what a failed post. Projecting much? nt Logical Jun 2015 #76

The DNC has already decided who the nominee will be. If Hillary doesn't want debates, there Doctor_J Jun 2015 #80

He's running as a Democrat so as to not be a spoiler. You're welcome. AtomicKitten Jun 2015 #96

you can see... quickesst Jun 2015 #101

Yes, it is entirely appropriate for the party to change the rules to benefit one candidate. jeff47 Jun 2015 #109

I suppose... quickesst Jun 2015 #137

Yes, he's so independent the Democrats in the Senate put him in charge of the buget committee. jeff47 Jun 2015 #141

ok... quickesst Jun 2015 #158

The D is already there. jeff47 Jun 2015 #159

uh... quickesst Jun 2015 #170

Ah yes, time to throw out a personal attack then run away. jeff47 Jun 2015 #171

done with that post... quickesst Jun 2015 #181

Oh no!! Not done with me?!! I'm so terrified. jeff47 Jun 2015 #187

Sanders isn't asking for a change. The DNC is. jeff47 Jun 2015 #103

From what I read on DU he did not demand - he wrote a letter suggesting added debates. jwirr Jun 2015 #107

Yeah, but phrasing it that way is nowhere near as like to antagonize people. n/t QC Jun 2015 #120

Exactly. jwirr Jun 2015 #140

It's fairly SOP for the front runner to want fewer debates, the underdog to want more. Warren DeMontague Jun 2015 #115

To be blunt, everyone knows these debates are a formality. tritsofme Jun 2015 #117

That's strange.... daleanime Jun 2015 #126

Links to DNC members behaving inappropriately, forgetting to pretend impartiality peacebird Jun 2015 #135

Hillary Clinton cannot debate honestly with Bernie Sanders. 99Forever Jun 2015 #139

Then six debates should be quite adequate. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #145

She can run, but she can't hide forever. 99Forever Jun 2015 #153

Yeah, that's what I do. OilemFirchen Jun 2015 #154

As far as issues important to me... 99Forever Jun 2015 #163

Sanders is getting more milage out of this than if there were ten unwached debates. NCTraveler Jun 2015 #157

Seems more of a request and much less than a demand LanternWaste Jun 2015 #165

Maybe he should just cut to the chase and put a "C" behind his name. polichick Jun 2015 #166

Bernie Sandersc? Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #168

The "C" most valued by the DNC stands for Corporatist. polichick Jun 2015 #172

You said it Puzzledtraveller Jun 2015 #182

F*ck the DNC and f*ck the corporatocracy. mmonk Jun 2015 #180

This hubbub over Sanders's party affiliation is a red herring. Jim Lane Jun 2015 #186