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jeff47

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53. Nope. I'm opposed to the DNC deciding what everyone else must do.

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:02 AM

Jun 2015

Why does the DNC care if Joe's Beef Shack and Farm Implements Stand wants to hold a debate? No candidates would show up? Well, that's Joe's problem. A candidate shows up in desperation? That's that candidate's problem. It isn't the DNC's problem.

Sanders was quite clear on what he was asking for - he clearly said in his letter why he thought adding cross-party debates would be good.

But I'm not talking about cross-party debates. Or Sanders - I would rather keep Sanders in the Senate.

I'm talking about the DNC deciding that no one else gets to hold a Democratic debate. Why? Because...um...reasons.

Why are you so happy to just accept what you are handed from on-high? Wasserman-Schultz says "Jump" and you leap to your feet no matter what?

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Bernie is a second class candidate. How dare he besmirch the Pure Democratic Primary, [View all] cali Jun 2015 OP

Hey, if a pro-war, pro-Wall Street, pro-fracking, pro-TPP, pro-H1B Visas woman can be a Democrat ... Scuba Jun 2015 #1

Great point. jwirr Jun 2015 #21

That says it all. azmom Jun 2015 #83

Bravo. hifiguy Jun 2015 #97

Ouch Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #107

Harsh? Perhaps. Honest and accurate? Absolutely. Scuba Jun 2015 #122

Sadly, I couldn't contest it even if I wanted. Betty Karlson Jun 2015 #131

+1 LWolf Jun 2015 #127

B-i-n-g-o! yuiyoshida Jun 2015 #150

Bernie Sanders is demantling the system. INdemo Jun 2015 #151

Perfecto summation Populist_Prole Jun 2015 #168

I like Bernie BUT.... Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #2

Won't join the party, but perfectly happy to complain about its rules Nye Bevan Jun 2015 #3

They are doing it all wrong. Should he lie? I know we are getting used to politicians lying sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #11

Bernie speakin truth to power! Love it! Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #32

He didn't blow their doors down. MuseRider Jun 2015 #61

Won't Join the Party? huh? Did I miss something? 2banon Jun 2015 #71

I don't think he did. There's no mechanism in VT to register for a party. hughee99 Jun 2015 #115

How would he "join the party"? Migrate to Connecticut? Texas? Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #98

So the party would RATHER have him just run in the general election instead... cascadiance Jun 2015 #102

Still complaining because your favorite candidate doesn't have 30 years worth of relationship... MohRokTah Jun 2015 #4

actually he does have. And I'm not complaining, just mocking dumb hypocrisy cali Jun 2015 #5

+1 deutsey Jun 2015 #7

No, he really doesn't. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #8

links? oh and bullshit. cali Jun 2015 #9

There are no links required. It stands on its face. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #12

That's hilarious. Bernie is a co-founder, first Chairman and currently the only Senate member of Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #138

He is actually correct about this fact. ieoeja Jun 2015 #64

This. n/t ms liberty Jun 2015 #80

well said U4ikLefty Jun 2015 #132

/\_/\_This right here_/\_/\ Scuba Jun 2015 #134

+1 appalachiablue Jun 2015 #152

Bernie Sanders, one of the most successful and available politicians ever... bvar22 Jun 2015 #95

In Vermont. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #96

So you're saying that because he hasn't done something before, he'd necessarily be inept at it? hughee99 Jun 2015 #118

Absolutely. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #119

Hillary's never been president before... hughee99 Jun 2015 #125

2008? MohRokTah Jun 2015 #126

She was president in 2008? hughee99 Jun 2015 #129

This is about the country and the people. Why are YOU so worried about the 'party'? sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #13

YOU ARE WRONG! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #15

No, YOU ARE WRONG! nt ChisolmTrailDem Jun 2015 #20

HA! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #22

"interlopers and outsiders" G_j Jun 2015 #28

What's best for the country is what's best for the Democratic Party. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #30

You are getting tiresome and not making friends for your candidate. Bohunk68 Jun 2015 #63

Truth hurts eh? eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #65

Truth about you, or truth about Bernie running?... cascadiance Jun 2015 #162

MohRakTah is the penultimate Party Insider� Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #73

I find it interesting that you go around this site, and insist on trying to demean and insult. Sheepshank Jun 2015 #120

Poster has left the building. zappaman Jun 2015 #170

What's best for the country bvar22 Jun 2015 #103

You must hate the Democratic Party. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #105

People have tried to equate Party with Country for several thousand years. bvar22 Jun 2015 #108

Suffice it to say, we disagree. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #109

You do NOT believe that the Democratic Party has turned hard right since 1992? bvar22 Jun 2015 #113

No. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #114

Sanders is the most inspiring, clean and true Democrat I've seen in 20 years. And I've been around appalachiablue Jun 2015 #155

Sanders is not a Democrat. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #156

He is to me and many others. He's a Democratic Candidate now. appalachiablue Jun 2015 #157

He is still not a Democrat. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #158

Would you vote for him if he wins the primary? cascadiance Jun 2015 #164

Sanders will not win the nomination. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #166

Does it feel good to be as confident as this guy? cascadiance Jun 2015 #167

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #172

Sanders doesn't have the formal association but his values and principles are more representative appalachiablue Jun 2015 #165

And neither are the Koch brothers! cascadiance Jun 2015 #163

"best for the party" ??? Excuse me while I decide to vote for what is best for the country. And, oh Hiraeth Jun 2015 #38

Isn't the Party hootinholler Jun 2015 #39

LOL Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #47

Thank you for clarifying your position. You're clear as a bell. Comrade Grumpy Jun 2015 #69

You're welcome. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #70

Therein lies the difference. 2banon Jun 2015 #72

Then why aren't you at People'sPartyUnderground.com? eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #74

link? 2banon Jun 2015 #76

You're the one talking about being about people. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #77

No. This site IS "for people", bvar22 Jun 2015 #104

As I understand it clearly, Bernie is a qualified candidate for the Democratic nomination. Jumpin Jack Flash Jun 2015 #124

LOL! Try reading your post back to yourself out loud .. 2banon Jun 2015 #130

And that is the attitude that has led us into the cul-de-sac hifiguy Jun 2015 #99

RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! frylock Jun 2015 #159

So, they hand out top committee assignments to any random person? jeff47 Jun 2015 #29

That was the price for his support and votes. hack89 Jun 2015 #31

Yes, but can you link to Clinton doing the same in 2014? jeff47 Jun 2015 #41

Why are we starting at 2014? hack89 Jun 2015 #51

Because Clinton was SoS in 2012 and 2010, so she didn't campaign. jeff47 Jun 2015 #52

If you can show me Bernie fundraising nationally for decades for Dems hack89 Jun 2015 #55

Fundraising is done through their non-profit org jeff47 Jun 2015 #62

No. I think that relationships between candidates and party power brokers and fund raisers hack89 Jun 2015 #66

Elizabeth Warren certainly campaigned for Merkley here... cascadiance Jun 2015 #81

Be careful on that high horse of yours...the fall won't be fun. n/t Avalux Jun 2015 #101

Well, only in the sense that he has no chance of winning. DanTex Jun 2015 #6

Bernie IS going to win. Funny to watch the change in attitude towards him here. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #14

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!! MohRokTah Jun 2015 #16

No he wasn't Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #110

I see zero different. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #111

well there ya go.... eom Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #112

Do you see a difference yet? Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #135

Nope, no difference. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #137

fringe fanatics Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #139

No polling to back up the Sanders claims either. MohRokTah Jun 2015 #142

. Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #146

Like I said, no polling to back up the claims. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #147

You deny that there is any possibility that he can win Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #148

See a difference yet? Motown_Johnny Jun 2015 #149

He's starting to get more like Dean MohRokTah Jun 2015 #154

I haven't seen much change in attitude. DanTex Jun 2015 #19

They can laugh all they want sabrina...Bernie will get the last laugh. InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #37

And Sanders has MORE MONEY now than Obama did at the same time of his campaign in 2007 cascadiance Jun 2015 #82

LOVE IT!! Go Bernie! InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2015 #133

Translation: FSogol Jun 2015 #10

1972 1939 Jun 2015 #17

Didn't happen in 2008 when upstart Obama won against the establishment candidate. FSogol Jun 2015 #18

Obama wasn't the "upstart" MohRokTah Jun 2015 #23

Not true. He had to overcome thoughts of "an African American cannot get elected." FSogol Jun 2015 #25

No no no no. It's centrist history time. jeff47 Jun 2015 #44

Everyone forgets (intentionally or not) how close the race between HRC & Obama really was. FSogol Jun 2015 #48

Kucinich pulled out on January 24th and Edwards a few days LATER... cascadiance Jun 2015 #84

Nah, it became apparent by January that it was Obama or HRC. Dropping out is was the only FSogol Jun 2015 #86

But had Edwards pulled out a lot earlier, when his personal problems likely surfaced... cascadiance Jun 2015 #87

Kucinich had no chance of winning. Edwards voters went to HRC and Obama. FSogol Jun 2015 #88

Kucinich was NO LONGER RUNNING when Edwards voters "went to HRC or Obama"... cascadiance Jun 2015 #90

Sorry, but I'll never agree with your analysis. Edwards and Kucinich had no chance. No tin foily FSogol Jun 2015 #93

Dem stalwart Joe Biden was the guy who MADem Jun 2015 #56

So can I because most third way democrats do not even begin to understand how bad it is down jwirr Jun 2015 #24

First, try looking at 4 years before that, when the party establishment overruled the true believers jeff47 Jun 2015 #35

McGovern lost for a number of reasons Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #49

Blame a 49 state to 2 state loss on dirty tricks? NT 1939 Jun 2015 #67

Did you not read my other reasons? Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #68

About those 1939 Jun 2015 #78

Don't forget the Ed Muskie fiasco ProudToBeBlueInRhody Jun 2015 #106

How about inserting the obligatory "Nobody has said Bernie isn't welcome as a candidate" brooklynite Jun 2015 #26

Bernie Sanders got into the race understanding his disadvantages. His supporters, notsomuch. eom MohRokTah Jun 2015 #34

+1 LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #58

I finding it surprising that Sander's fans here don't discuss his specific accomplishments FSogol Jun 2015 #50

In the last congress Mnpaul Jun 2015 #140

Thank you. That's the kind of info his supporters should post in lieu of FSogol Jun 2015 #141

Bernie stated he would follow the rules of the DNC, perhaps he did not speak for others. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #27

The rules when he entered, or the changes the DNC just passed? jeff47 Jun 2015 #36

I guess you need to ask him this question, I would have assumed he would be true to his word and Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #40

The problem is the supposedly impartial DNC is changing the rules to benefit one candidate jeff47 Jun 2015 #42

Apparently you are opposed to asking Bernie what he meant. Do you think Bernie isn't capable of Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #45

Nope. I'm opposed to the DNC deciding what everyone else must do. jeff47 Jun 2015 #53

I think they would rather Bernie leave and run as an independent in the general... cascadiance Jun 2015 #85

It was Koch money that founded the DLC. HooptieWagon Jun 2015 #153

Oh FFS Action_Patrol Jun 2015 #33

how dare he speak from his heart olddots Jun 2015 #43

He must have spoke from his heart when he said he would follow the rules also, huh. Thinkingabout Jun 2015 #46

Extra overwrought this week LordGlenconner Jun 2015 #54

I just saw his photo on the home page of the DNC's website. MineralMan Jun 2015 #57

Cool ... our hourly "Bernie is being persecuted" thread, right on time!!! JoePhilly Jun 2015 #59

If Bernie is not the nominee, then what is the plan Purrfessor Jun 2015 #60

He has every right to make any request he wishes. But his followers pnwmom Jun 2015 #75

hahaha Cali_Democrat Jun 2015 #79

I guess the League of Women Voters were similarly "JERKS" when they objected to party manipulation.. cascadiance Jun 2015 #89

Do you think Bernie would approve of your posts here at DU? Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #91

Message auto-removed Name removed Jun 2015 #92

Was Hillary a "real" New Yorker Madam Mossfern Jun 2015 #94

I put REAL Democrats on the same shelf as REAL Men and REAL Women. Tierra_y_Libertad Jun 2015 #100

don't forget Real Christians. m-lekktor Jun 2015 #116

This message was self-deleted by its author MohRokTah Jun 2015 #117

Party politics is hardball. That's a fact. Pretending it doesn't exist, or doesn't make KittyWampus Jun 2015 #121

Thanks. Without your daily reminders nobody would know just how persecuted Bernie is. great white snark Jun 2015 #123

Great handle Fumesucker Jun 2015 #128

"second class" - No wonder Occupy supports and endorces him. L0oniX Jun 2015 #136

Please, do tell us how Sanders supporters are persecuted here. NuclearDem Jun 2015 #143

Another attack on Democrats and the Democratic party. Kingofalldems Jun 2015 #144

? bettyellen Jun 2015 #145

And he should be able to demand anything he wants and the Democratic party pnwmom Jun 2015 #160

cali! Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #161

She is. zappaman Jun 2015 #169

So it is. Le Taz Hot Jun 2015 #171