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marym625

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107. Oh come on, Nance,

Wed Jun 10, 2015, 11:35 AM

Jun 2015

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We usually don't agree. But I really expect better than that from you. You're too smart for that.

We can see and read a very small portion, the parts that have been leaked. We can easily tell, for instance, that the most recent leaked piece regarding pharmaceuticals, will cause big pharm corporations to dictate higher prices and cost consumers even more than it does now. But to put it with other aspects of the agreement, how far that can go, what international laws they can dictate, what it means to labor, etc etc etc will take quite a while to figure out. And that is just a tiny piece of it.

We can't even come to a consensus on a democratic site. Imagine how long a debate in Congress would take.

Please, be real if you are going to respond

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Will you fight the Fast Track of the TPP and TSA? Will DU? [View all] marym625 Jun 2015 OP

kicking marym625 Jun 2015 #1

I certainly will. But my MN representative is strongly against it already. So what else can I do? jwirr Jun 2015 #2

Thank them. marym625 Jun 2015 #3

Just so you know marym625 Jun 2015 #111

Kick. Have and will continue too. nt raouldukelives Jun 2015 #4

awesome! Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #5

Am I allowed to read it first? tridim Jun 2015 #6

Actually, no. marym625 Jun 2015 #7

No agreement on anything has been leaked. Period. tridim Jun 2015 #8

portions of both the TPP and TiSA have been leaked marym625 Jun 2015 #9

It's impossible to leak something that doesn't exist yet Recursion Jun 2015 #65

and still, you haven't answered my question. marym625 Jun 2015 #106

You keep saying that. How will it be "too late"? Recursion Jun 2015 #35

I already answered that marym625 Jun 2015 #39

Because it isn't that hard to count to 51 or 218 and remember that the TeaPubliKlans TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #94

crickets marym625 Jun 2015 #184

Read reply #47 Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #49

For every 1 call you make to your elected officials you represent 4000 constituents. Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #10

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #11

... Dont call me Shirley Jun 2015 #12

kick, kick, kick marym625 Jun 2015 #13

kick, kick, kick marym625 Jun 2015 #14

Thank you, yes I absolutely will call tomorrow. I will post this on twitter also, where there is sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #15

Thank you, Sabrina marym625 Jun 2015 #19

It's never been more active or more exciting. I used twitter mostly for news, following much more sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #22

agree! I will try! marym625 Jun 2015 #27

No, I support TPA. President Obama deserves an up or down vote in Congress on the deal he negotiates tritsofme Jun 2015 #16

Exactly. ucrdem Jun 2015 #18

Because it is a bad treaty for the American people. marym625 Jun 2015 #45

Then argue to have the treaty voted down after it is available jberryhill Jun 2015 #97

That has never happened in US history on a fast track trade agreement Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #104

The people I respect that have read it, think it is bad for America. marym625 Jun 2015 #108

No he shouldn't be. The others shouldn't have gotten it either. marym625 Jun 2015 #20

Under TPA the text of the agreement must be public for 60 days before Obama can sign tritsofme Jun 2015 #23

Here is another way to go at it marym625 Jun 2015 #44

If House Democrats had engaged on TPA instead of providing uniform opposition tritsofme Jun 2015 #121

It was a show and it was bullshit. marym625 Jun 2015 #131

The opposition to TPA was a show. Opponents smelled blood, and went in for the kill tritsofme Jun 2015 #136

It was a show and it was bullshit. marym625 Jun 2015 #180

Obama deserves an up or down vote in Congress on the deal he negotiates??? HE? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #130

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #133

New Republic changed hands not so long ago and fired most of its long-time staff. ucrdem Jun 2015 #17

Your prerogative marym625 Jun 2015 #21

Likewise ... ucrdem Jun 2015 #185

The problem with that assessment marym625 Jun 2015 #198

Quite a stew of paranoid conspiracy theories there. /nt Marr Jun 2015 #32

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #46

noted. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #89

It's not going to pass. Rex Jun 2015 #24

I hope you are right marym625 Jun 2015 #28

I don't either, but by now it has started to spoil out in the sunlight. Rex Jun 2015 #31

spoiled in the sun! love that. marym625 Jun 2015 #33

Depends. I'll wait until it's negotiated Recursion Jun 2015 #25

That will be too late. But your prerogative marym625 Jun 2015 #29

How will that be "too late"? The law requires it to be public for 60 days before Congress votes Recursion Jun 2015 #34

Because at that point, marym625 Jun 2015 #37

Right, it's an up or down vote. A country can't just unilaterally change a treaty Recursion Jun 2015 #38

What? marym625 Jun 2015 #42

We aren't "discovering the new horrors of NAFTA"; people are just completely making shit up Recursion Jun 2015 #63

Really? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #82

Oh come on, Nance, marym625 Jun 2015 #107

Here's what is real ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #143

You made my point for me. marym625 Jun 2015 #145

I don't know how you could think ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #147

Are you seriously going to pretend that this is about what President Obama said to Warren? marym625 Jun 2015 #177

I was just quoting ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #178

What is amazing is that you are ignoring everything else. marym625 Jun 2015 #179

If this was such a good deal for the American worker there..... Hotler Jun 2015 #154

I don't know why this needs to be repeated ... NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #155

The secrecy involved in these agreements is unprecedented marym625 Jun 2015 #186

The secrecy is not unprecented. NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #194

Nice that you know better than negotiators marym625 Jun 2015 #195

How so? NanceGreggs Jun 2015 #196

my assessment? marym625 Jun 2015 #197

I don't care how it has been done in the past. It needs to change. Hotler Jun 2015 #191

The secrecy involved in these agreements is unprecedented marym625 Jun 2015 #187

+1000 Hoyt Jun 2015 #157

Kicking AuntPatsy Jun 2015 #26

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #30

Not this bull again about it being secret for 5 years. That's the negotiating documents, not the Hoyt Jun 2015 #36

Not this bull again. marym625 Jun 2015 #40

Then why are our representatives reading it for the last month or so? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #47

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #48

Simple, it too is a negotiating document. The final agreement, assuming there is one, will be Hoyt Jun 2015 #57

Have YOU read anything on this? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #58

I've read almost everything available, including this kind of junk. Go read the TPA Hoyt Jun 2015 #60

So on a Democratic board you agree with the majority of Republican's on just this one issue??? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #61

The majority of Republican voters oppose the TPP and free trade agreements in general Recursion Jun 2015 #62

So the POTUS is acting in our best interests on this with a Congress that wants to destroy him? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #67

Stopped clocks. DU is just wrong about trade; it happens Recursion Jun 2015 #70

HHHMMM Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #73

No, there is no "the text of the TPP" to be kept anywhere Recursion Jun 2015 #74

I'm growing tired of somebody that can't read 100's of articles about what is going on and get it Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #76

It is not surprising that someone who gains financially when jobs are shipped to India Dragonfli Jun 2015 #85

India is not party to any of these agreements. Hoyt Jun 2015 #90

What does India have to do with the TPP? (nt) Recursion Jun 2015 #93

It's obvious that the human rights abuses in some of the signatory nations don't bother you at all Bluenorthwest Jun 2015 #100

it has more to do with fast track, there are three "trade" deals we are being prepped for, Dragonfli Jun 2015 #102

Bush made the Free Trade of the America's Agreement publicly available neverforget Jun 2015 #78

Well, you apparently are agreeing with the majority of Tbaggers who hate having Hoyt Jun 2015 #69

Disgusting. LeftOfWest Jun 2015 #87

It is absolutely disgusting Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #171

Documents running hundreds of pages requiring prior security clearance Joe Turner Jun 2015 #56

Those are negotiating documents. You will see the entire final agreement, assuming Hoyt Jun 2015 #59

What a laugh. Obama has already made up his mind on TPP Joe Turner Jun 2015 #64

90 days is the shortest period, it could be longer. You don't even know enough facts upon which Hoyt Jun 2015 #66

As discussed at length with you in other threads Joe Turner Jun 2015 #72

Citation needed Recursion Jun 2015 #75

Millions of people say you are wrong, including some our most trusted Democrats. This is a travesty sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #68

Millions of Americans say you are wrong too, including Democrats. Hoyt Jun 2015 #71

90 sure, but... Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #79

No I know what will happen if Fast Tracking passes. It will be a done deal, the vote will nothing sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #80

It also makes the vote unique in the Senate as fast track lowers the vote threshold from over sixty Dragonfli Jun 2015 #86

Not true. The Senate TPA allows Congress to rescind Fast Track if it does not meet objectives Hoyt Jun 2015 #91

Anyone counting on Boehner and company to look out for American workers and the environment is TheKentuckian Jun 2015 #95

I'm correcting the incorrect post I responded to. Congress can force a change in Hoyt Jun 2015 #96

Sure they can, then why Fast Track it? Bring it to the floor so the people KNOW what is in it. sabrina 1 Jun 2015 #119

You haven't lost the right. You know a lot now, you will know everything before it goes to Congress Hoyt Jun 2015 #120

man you're condescending. marym625 Jun 2015 #134

I guess posting accusing me of being a callous, right winger is OK with you, though. Hoyt Jun 2015 #135

Don't try to play the blame game when your first reply was "not this bull again" marym625 Jun 2015 #137

Well the OP did include blatant mistruths. I guess those are OK with you too. Hoyt Jun 2015 #138

100's of articles, every progressive talk host against this... Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #139

You got it, every self-styled "progressive" talk show host trying to build a following. Hoyt Jun 2015 #140

And the night hosts on MSNBC? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #141

Everyone against TPP is lying to you. Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #142

Why couldn't I see that Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #148

I watch Big Ed almost every night. But he makes so many blunders discussing TPP Hoyt Jun 2015 #144

Rachel Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #146

Sadly Senator Warren is one of the main ones spreading misinformation. Hoyt Jun 2015 #149

And know we know who it is that doesn't understand the issue Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #150

So now you are going to attack ACA, what's next? Hoyt Jun 2015 #156

Oh 7 years later YOU add it will cost more to what the POTUS meant Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #158

Are you covered by ACA? Hoyt Jun 2015 #159

I have ins as a retiree Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #161

Environmentalists, Unions, doctors, post office, AARP, have lobbyists too, just like corporations. Hoyt Jun 2015 #162

I'm not denying anybody ADA Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #163

He was right on both, and got us the best deal possible. Anyone else would Hoyt Jun 2015 #164

So now TPP is just the best the POTUS could get? Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #165

It wasn't this clip of Ed Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #188

I just got to this party Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #41

Thank you, OS! marym625 Jun 2015 #43

K&R..... daleanime Jun 2015 #50

Thank you, deleanime! marym625 Jun 2015 #51

Are you kidding? daleanime Jun 2015 #52

Your subject scared me marym625 Jun 2015 #53

Sorry about that.... daleanime Jun 2015 #101

No worries! marym625 Jun 2015 #109

Obama's signature on these agreements... Oilwellian Jun 2015 #54

+a kazillion! marym625 Jun 2015 #55

K&R stage left Jun 2015 #77

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #110

K&R nenagh Jun 2015 #81

Thank you for taking part! marym625 Jun 2015 #112

K & R AzDar Jun 2015 #83

Thanks for the kick and for taking part! marym625 Jun 2015 #113

It's disgusting that people claiming to be liberals or progressives come on this board Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #84

Some of those people belittle liberals elsewhere Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #88

Notice that one always recs his own posts and has the same little group Elwood P Dowd Jun 2015 #132

Well, that particularly disingenuous and offensive poster has been on my ignore list for years, Maedhros Jun 2015 #151

Brookings supports what they think TPP will say when finalized, assuming it is. Hoyt Jun 2015 #92

Who gives a shit what Brookings "thinks" might be the final agreement Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #167

They've done the research. Few here have dine ant research. Hoyt Jun 2015 #168

And I have heard from people who were actually involved in the negotiations Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #169

You are talking to corporatists, because to hear you guys, they are the ones negotiating it? Hoyt Jun 2015 #170

What nonsense Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #172

So who have you been talking to that has been involved? You made the claim. Hoyt Jun 2015 #173

I made a couple of OPs about this a couple of weeks ago Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #174

Oh, so it's not just corporations involved in the negotiations, as folks keep saying. Hoyt Jun 2015 #175

Folks don't keep saying that, Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #176

You sure seem to know a lot about it for having been kept in the dark. Hoyt Jun 2015 #189

Only because of leaks Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #190

Ever seen a conservo-crat banned from this board? Me neither. nt Romulox Jun 2015 #114

I used to wonder marym625 Jun 2015 #115

Asking members of DU to fight...... Hotler Jun 2015 #98

Well I didn't mean with each other. marym625 Jun 2015 #116

I know that. DU members do not fight........ Hotler Jun 2015 #153

I agree marym625 Jun 2015 #181

Done. LWolf Jun 2015 #99

Wyden's the guy who desperately needs this agreement Art_from_Ark Jun 2015 #103

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #117

I will never, ever vote for Wyden again. [n/t] Maedhros Jun 2015 #152

Let us all read it Omaha Steve Jun 2015 #105

LOL! marym625 Jun 2015 #118

Another K & R Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #122

Thank you! marym625 Jun 2015 #123

I'll do what I can! Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #124

Oh so sorry! marym625 Jun 2015 #125

Emailed! Twice! Lifelong Protester Jun 2015 #128

awesome! marym625 Jun 2015 #129

Glad this is out there libodem Jun 2015 #126

ain't it an awesome site with a great tool? marym625 Jun 2015 #127

Been fighting it since day one. mmonk Jun 2015 #160

+1000 marym625 Jun 2015 #182

Big pharma is behind the TPP. ozone_man Jun 2015 #166

yep marym625 Jun 2015 #183

Thanks! I've met with Dem Senate Rep and Called and e-mailed my Repub House Rep KoKo Jun 2015 #192

That's fabulous! marym625 Jun 2015 #193